Your club's lowest point in history
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190 was in 1979. In the modern era for us, 186 was such a shock that people thought it was a typo.
2013 was obviously our lowest but I figured OP was after a specific point, otherwise I'd be saying 2012-2013 total was just the lowest.
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True, although arguably there was no merger rather a takeover. Unfortunately there was always going to be a loser from the situation and Fitzroy left the league at the end of 96.
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2014 was not good, however on the flip side the club wasnt on the brink of financial ruin. In 1989 the deal was signed unbeknownst to the members, without the legal loophole enabling a member to lodge an appeal on the basis of the club board failing to notify members the Dogs would be no more.
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As you so eloquently pointed out yourself, revisionist history. You want to believe so strongly that Collingwood somehow ‘tripped’ into such a good position and you’re clutch at straws to justify your belief.
Why do you think they picked Treloar, Phillips and Stevenson? How have those 3 fared since?
You’re also being fairly dramatic about the fall out. A team that has had its heart ‘torn out’ wouldn’t be back to within 1 point of a GF within 24 months with those same group of players. Treloar was the publicised collateral damage, and people like you and the media will do anything to dramatise and sling mud.
Funnily, what you leave out is prior to that trade period, Collingwood had already dropped off from Grand Finalists to Prelim to barely scraping into the 8 (by half a game) then getting absolutely smashed by Geelong in a semi (100 to 32). They were heading downwards and you choose to place it on the back of that trade period as if Collingwood was somehow rampant in 2020 before that 2021 season.
The two aren’t mutually exclusive. People can make tough calls and strategically set themselves up for success in terrible circumstances that is through prior mismanagement. That’s exactly what 2020 trade period was. Clubs like Collingwood have a history of doing just that, whether you like to hear that or not - get shit right and turn it around quickly. That’s why we’re constantly up and contending more often than not.
In my lifetime? Right now.
In the clubs history? IDK as the 1800s were not well documented, but I would assume the 1921 failed merger with Essendon that lead to North briefly folding and later having no players when admitted back into the VFA.
In the clubs history? IDK as the 1800s were not well documented, but I would assume the 1921 failed merger with Essendon that lead to North briefly folding and later having no players when admitted back into the VFA.
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I think the lowest point in our history was the judge years.
I didnt want to watch games as there didnt seem to be a future.
Right now we are rebuilding.
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Only Fitzroy have us covered, and theirs at least wasn’t self inflicted :sad:
They are mutually exclusive. Either you create the mess and have to clean it up (as Ned Guy did with Dayne Beams), or you inherit a problem (as in a new coach or list manager).
Of course what happened was necessary, but you act as though it was inevitable. Ned Guy's strategy was flawed, and because of it had to cut loose a good player on big money. If you combine what was given in the Beams trade, with what was lost in the Treloar trade (never mind what you gave up to get Treloar in the first place), and currency of Stephenson at the time, it's ugly. You went from a finals team to bottom 4 immediately, and lost a good coach. The fact you found a better one and rebounded as well as you possibly could have, well, it's irrelevant everybody who was there at the time.
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I’m guessing you’ll also be subscribing to this same theory if Collingwood win the flag this year after consecutive salary dumps of Treloar and Grundy?
Not strategised and planned but slipping over and ‘doing a perfect backflip’?
Grundy wanted to/agreed to go, and you had the option to keep him if you needed to. Are the differences not obvious?
And no, I wouldn't change my opinion if the Pies win the flag this year. Why would I? What does it change about Ned Guy's actions at the time? Does it prove he's a genius? Your club made huge mistakes and while you might look back now and say "I wouldn't change anything", that's really quite a different matter than insisting that they were not huge mistakes.
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Your revisionist history at its best again. Find me where he wanted to go. No different to Treloar in that it was fairly obvious he didn’t want to leave Collingwood but the club did what it had to in its own best interests.
Guaranteed if we’d dropped back down the ladder, your types would be scampering to say they’d ‘torn the heart’ out of the team yet again!
I don’t think we’re disagreeing that Collingwood got itself into a mess with the Beams trade and subsequent salary cap issues.
I’m just disputing your claim that the 2020 trade period wasn’t meticulously planned by the club to get them into the position they’re currently in today.
Probably early forties when we were kicked out of our home ground by the military and subsequently kicked out of the league for not having a home ground. Lost a few players, then when we got our ground back Carlton didn't want us to come back.
No different to the Treloar situation? That's outrageous. Grundy got pissed off but he left of his own accord. You pretty much changed the locks on Adam, and insulted him and his partner publicly on the way out by trying to deflect the blame onto them.
The big difference lies in this simple fact: Collingwood wanted to keep Adam Treloar. It was a public embarrassment that they had to push out a loved and valued player because Ned Guy couldn't do his job properly.
Grundy was no longer worth his salary, and Collingwood wanted him gone. Harsh, but they were left only two options, since good old NG signed him up to a seven year deal.
Can't get any worse than that
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We keep going around in circles where you try passing off your opinion and views as facts. Let’s just agree to disagree.
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Yeah I'd say that period: 1999-2001: our 24 year old freshly minted club captain wanting out, the deep financial poop we were in during the late 90s, culminated with the famous Round 22, 2001 game against Carlton, where we farewelled Buddha Hocking by scoring 0.7 in the final three quarters and Darren Milburn almost caused a riot.
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Our last 2 games at Princes Park were very dark days. Round 2 2004 was really bad.
There was some hope after our young team made the final of the preseason cup. Then we were smashed by StKilda round 1 and go to PP to take on Carlton who were terrible (4 wins in 2003 and beaten easily by Freo in round 1). Beaten by 9 goals and the club looked a complete shambles. You could've written your own odds on us finishing top 4 and being a couple of goals from a grand final later that year.
Once this abomination of a jumper was trotted out for the proposed merger it weaponized an already furious Footscray supporter group, and the rest is history.
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What happens this year is irrelevant. It's capturing a moment in time, not looking at things with the benefit of hindsight. "Leigh Colbert demanding a trade was a blessing in disguise, Geelong got Mooney and Enright in the trade," "All the losses in 2004 were worth it in 2004 for Hawthorn, because that year's draft yielded Buddy, Roughead and Lewis", that sort of Captain Hindsight analysis isn't the point of this thread I'd argue.
And this is how Collingwood was looking as they headed into the 2021 preseason. Good on them for turning it round. I doubt they'll bring Ned Guy in for the premiership reunions if they continue on to the flag this year.
Ned Guy
Has anyone watched this? The answers are unbelievable and I felt uncomfortable watching the spin and lies. Not sure how any club, let alone one of the biggest in Australia, gets away with this train wreck interview?
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That was their compromise as a jumper? What a pisser.
Once this abomination of a jumper was trotted out for the proposed merger it weaponized an already furious Footscray supporter group, and the rest is history.
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