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Israel, Palestine, and everything related
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Way to miss my point Meds.
Im saying that a lot of Arab Muslims feel like the 'West' and Israel are waging a war of persecution against them. Rightly or wrongly.
Just like a disturbingly large number of people in the 'West' and Israel feel the same way about Arab Muslims.
Do you disagree that many people feel this way?
But you're fine with supporting Hamas who take their people's money to spend on weapons, set up their operations in places like hospitals and schools that should be left alone to be utilised by the sick, elderly, displaced and children. Children being brainwashed to hate Jews from a young age btw. These children don't stand a chance and neither does this region. It will never see peace if these are the values people up brought up believing in.
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Yeah, weakness is the man posting on a football forum his dismay at the genocide of a peoples, not the multi-billion dollar army shelling kids on a beach and the pusillanimous quisling defending it on the same forum.
Your nation's existence is founded upon the idea that everyone is out to get you so you need a refuge where you are safe.
Yes?
But they never taught me in school why the Jews had been persecuted throughout Europe for centuries.
And right now I am willing to bet children aren't being taught about what the Jews have been doing to the Arabs for the past seventy years in Israel.
But they will still take their mandatory excursion to the Holocaust War Memorial.
It is important they learn that genocide is bad, y'know. At least, when Jews are on the receiving end.
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Why have they been persecuted since the beginning of time?
Change of religion in the Roman Empire?
evo
Let's hit the f*ken road!
What's happening in Gaza isn't even close to genocide, no matter how much you'd like it to be.
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At what point does it become genocide?
When half of what presently remains of Gaza and its people is gone? Three quarters?
Or is it one of those things that can only be defined in retrospect, when it is too late to do anything about?
Like how the word 'Holocaust' only entered popular usage in the 1960s?
evo
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Sorites paradox.
zeno or xeno meta paradox. and evo will commend my spelling and portmanteau(s plural)
evo
Let's hit the f*ken road!
Most people dont really understand political realism. They seem to think politics is about fairness.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_politics#Realism
Its as old as Thucydides.
evo
Let's hit the f*ken road!
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What I find particularly troubling amongst the anti-Israel sentiment on this board and in the broader community is the refusal to recognise the attrocities being committed by Hamas. It also goes the other way, but to a lesser extent. I think people need to take their guernseys off and acknowledge that neither side is in the right and both are committing deplorable acts.
As we have seen in France recently, there is not too big a jump from pro Palestinian protests to anti-semitism. If mobs are burning synagogues and attacking Jewish run businesses it is not a pro Palestinian protest, nor is it an anti Israeli protest, it is an anti Jew protest.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/07/22/france-jewish-shops-riot_n_5608612.html?utm_hp_ref=tw
It's the third time in a week where pro-Palestinian activists have clashed with the city's Jewish residents. On Sunday, locals reported chats of "Gas the Jews" and "Kill the Jews", as rioters attacked businesses in the Sarcelles district, known as "little Jerusalem".
As we have seen in France recently, there is not too big a jump from pro Palestinian protests to anti-semitism. If mobs are burning synagogues and attacking Jewish run businesses it is not a pro Palestinian protest, nor is it an anti Israeli protest, it is an anti Jew protest.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/07/22/france-jewish-shops-riot_n_5608612.html?utm_hp_ref=tw
It's the third time in a week where pro-Palestinian activists have clashed with the city's Jewish residents. On Sunday, locals reported chats of "Gas the Jews" and "Kill the Jews", as rioters attacked businesses in the Sarcelles district, known as "little Jerusalem".
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The false equivalence line has already been dismantled in this thread. Several times.
Go back to JIDF talking points and try again champ.
Go back to JIDF talking points and try again champ.
ok, i agree with this post, but i have a caveat.
the context must be sheeted home, israel and bibi and zionists and christian zionists, uneccessarily conflate jews = israel. so now we got idjit mohammedans fighting in syria, and idjits at home picketing and protesting jewish districts. which is deplorable, but more can be done, wrt not necessarily disassociating, but not necessarily associating with israel, because fools will axiomatically see you supporting "war crimes". now, i intentionally put this in simpleton terms. it does not reflect my views. i am channelling foolish supporters like you reference. i am not a BDS Socialist Worker type numpy
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i'm not sure about the word "support"
i "support" Hamas in that i think Palestine has a right to resistance.
hamas itself is far from perfect, and maybe they do play dirty. but when you're a rag-tag group of militants fighting a well resourced and trained army, what choice do you have? (unless you believe they shouldn't resist)
and do you think israelies are being brought up to hold hands and sing kumbuya with their Arab neighbours? the brainwashing goes both ways (which is perhaps the most disappointing part of this all)
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slicedndiced
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Well said.
This whole notion that those of us who are seen to be criticising Israel are then automatically implicit in our total support of Hamas is absurd.
As you say, are the Palestinians expected to sit back and thank the Israeli's for everything they have received over the decades?
Some people need to put themselves in the shoes of your average Gaza resident for a moment and ask themselves honestly what they would do and how they would think.
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i think peace it possible without Hamas in the picture. i believe that Israel by and large want peace albeit begrudgingly. i do not believe Hamas ever has any intention of creating a peace. one of their goals is the destruction of israel.
i think Hamas is the biggest problem here. Remove these radicals and the threat from inside gaza will be diminished and with this hopefully the borders can slowly open as trust builds. this is a pipe dream though. these radicals hate israel, hate zionists, hate jews and hate the west.
and it seems as if they are here to stay as well.
my 2c
slicedndiced
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Whilst some citizens in Israel go to the nearest high vantage point, have a picnic, and cheer on the shelling and destruction.
seewutididthar?
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doublethink
Hamas' stated goal is the destruction of Israel, while Israel has evidently been destroying Palestine and is closer to the completion of their task than the beginning...
...and yet Hamas are the roadblock to peace?
I think you actually believe the absurdities you peddle, like the good Outer Party boy you are.
