Vic How would you rate Daniel Andrews' performance as Victorian Premier? - Part 3

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Ned_Flanders said:
That's not how lab testing works

A lab can only alter a lab report if a number of retests of retention samples confirm the error.

Also most lab reports are tamper proof these days (so if you alter the pdf it distorts the pdf to make it clear something is wrong - usually blurring around the edited area)

And before you say the govt would order them to do it, their accreditations are with international and national bodies - the state govts have zero influence on them.
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See i don't trust any politician not to manipulate things be it Labor or Liberal.
 
Chief said:
You’ve heard of mobile phones, yeah?
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He needs a TV audience to stroke his ego and there’s no chance of Dan announcing a lock down via twittter.

For one he wouldn’t know the login details as his account is handled by one of the numerous spin doctors funded by the taxpayer.
 

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Ned_Flanders said:
That's not how lab testing works

A lab can only alter a lab report if a number of retests of retention samples confirm the error.

Also most lab reports are tamper proof these days (so if you alter the pdf it distorts the pdf to make it clear something is wrong - usually blurring around the edited area)

And before you say the govt would order them to do it, their accreditations are with international and national bodies - the state govts have zero influence on them.
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Seriously? He even put a safety smiley at the end of his post!
 
Magnum27 said:
See i don't trust any politician not to manipulate things be it Labor or Liberal.
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Again, it doesn't work like that.

The amount of work labs do for govt is small, the vast majority is for the private sector now. No lab will risk losing its accreditation with NATA to bow to a Dept.

Firstly the amount of records kept on testing equipment is ridiculously high. Change the report, and one audit by NATA will expose the report doesn't match the raw data from the test.

Secondly there is a mandatory reporting requirement on these tests, where notification is made as soon as a detection is noted. Normally a retest is run immediately to ensure no testing error, and don't know if that happens with covid. Issue is there is a paper trail of a pre-notification occuring.

So again, no lab would risk losing its entire business for something that is so easy to be revealed.
 
Abers said:
Seriously? He even put a safety smiley at the end of his post!
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Read his follow up, he does believe govt is faking this s**t
 
Abers said:
If you were a fish Neddy you’d have the record for most times caught and thrown back.
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unlike you, Im here to express my personal views, not to be an uber troll

stick to making excuses for round 1, its your happy place
 

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FIGJAM said:
There's no justification for a Draconian Stage 3 lockdown from Thursday.

None!
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There was probably no need for one at all.
 
Some perspective on Covid Management.

On December 21 NSW Health announced another 15 positives. Thats fifteen, not 0 or 2.
Links as widespread as Turramurra Erskineville and CBD.
In just 3 days time Gladys had already lifted the Xmas travel restrictions for half the Northern Beaches. In another week or so it was 100% lifted, and not long after that even the Avalon area restrictions lifted.
Spotfires in Woollongong and Berala.
Still no lockdowns. No threats. No grannies, teenage learner drivers or even pregnant women targetted.

The only "lockdown" (no police, not even a roadblock) was an area 0.03 of 1% of NSW containing about 3-4% of Sydney's population.

Can anyone here explain why the Mallee and Gippsland for instance are locked up ? virtually the same as if they were next to the Holiday Inn ?
With what we have now learnt and best practice covid management in NSW, can anyone here truly justify this jokers response for 0-2 cases per day and a tiny amount of localised community transmission ?

Why would you do that to your population ?

A little more perspective.

The daily cases in Vic had reached 150 before Gladys would even close the border. Then she gave everyone 2 and a half days to head across the border before closing it. All due to Dan's sheer incompetence of course.

This was the actual result. Note the caseload being managed in NSW at peak of Vics 2nd wave, with 2 1/2 days to flee from 150 per day...(not say 6 hrs to flee from 1or2 cases 1000km away).

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It is well past time that Vics dropped the deliberate naivety and realised they are being 100% played.

NSW has learnt the hard way. It is still carrying the majority risk load for the nation and a state as big as Vic should be bloody well ashamed of its lack of leadership.

You dont burn your entire population to put out a barn fire, unless you believe it will earn you political points.
 
It is easier to run a lockdown in parts of Sydney as some areas where there are only a few roads in and out.

I'm surprised the question wasn't asked when he mentioned that people would go from Melbourne to country areas if there was no ring of steel on whether he actually trusts people to do the right thing
 
hawkman said:
It is easier to run a lockdown in parts of Sydney as some areas where there are only a few roads in and out.

I'm surprised the question wasn't asked when he mentioned that people would go from Melbourne to country areas if there was no ring of steel on whether he actually trusts people to do the right thing
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The number of people busted leaving Melbourne last time pretty much validates that scepticism. Metro people had little regard for their country cousins
 
They are still saying today's case is a weak positive, but as a caution they are calling it a positive. So it may not even be a positive case, so why call it a case until you are sure, given this is the reason we are in a snap lock down because of case No's, and using it as reason to decide if we stray in lock down.
 
Herne Hill Hammer said:
Curtin has been closed for 6 1/2 years. Christmas Island is full of hardened criminals and visa overstayers and Howard Springs needs expansion.

Christmas Island is good if you have the room, but I don't think it's suitable for the big long range airliners, the runway isn't long enough. (I could be wrong on this bit).

Maybe Andrews can turn at least something out of this clusterfu** into a positive. Get Avalon Airport upgraded to International status and construct a purpose built facility there on the land, which is plentiful. It can be the sole facility for all return Aussies. There is also a major hwy and rail line right outside the front entrance to the place.
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Magnum27 said:
They are still saying today's case is a weak positive, but as a caution they are calling it a positive. So it may not even be a positive case, so why call it a case until you are sure, given this is the reason we are in a snap lock down because of case No's, and using it as reason to decide if we stray in lock down.
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it takes time to verify the details (when we had some of these late in lockdown 2, it would take a number of days before they could determine if it was a new infection or just shedding).


also one thing that was touched on today that most people are not aware of if the issue of false negatives and false positives. the CMO is correct that these are rare, and they do happen. Its not about mismanagement or corruption or anything like that. sometimes you just get a shitty anomalous result. normally you clean these us with re-testing the retention sample, and maybe testing a b sample if the data is still unclear. this takes time however, and given the need for speed you dont want to hold tracers up waiting for verified results.

in terms of numbers, its a very small fraction of 1% that you get this s**t happening for. with us doing so many tests, math says these will bob up from time to time.
 
Bollox said:
Can anyone here explain why the Mallee and Gippsland for instance are locked up ? virtually the same as if they were next to the Holiday Inn ?
With what we have now learnt and best practice covid management in NSW, can anyone here truly justify this jokers response for 0-2 cases per day and a tiny amount of localised community transmission ?
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It depends on the exposure sites.
This time it's Terminal 4 at the airport which represents thousands of people potentially exposed to a highly transmissible strain.

I'm hoping for a WA type scenario where a short sharp lockdown knocks it on the head but the Vic Market exposure doesn't fill me with hope.
 
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