March In March

[Power Raid]

http://www.unionswa.com.au/may_day_2014

https://www.amwu.org.au/read-article/news-detail/681/May-Day/

May Day march though Fremantle would be a good start, all the unions, communist party, leftie uni students, weirdos, gays and lots of down and outs.

I love going to union protests at Gina's office protesting about Australians for Australian jobs. My first question is why the union spokesman calling out the slogans is Scottish.

If its good for the goose, it should be good enough for the gander!

 

[Navy_4_life]

Cool story Alan Jones, but why would I do that, I reckon we could do with less of your nut bag ravings not more.

Again you seem to think abusing someone and labelling them based on your personal prejudices and perceived understanding of their comments makes you intelligent. It doesn't - it just demonstrates how feeble you are intellectually.

Happy to discuss matters with you in an intelligent way and listen to you point of view - but only if you drop the childish name calling.

 

[Maggie5]

Again you seem to think abusing someone and labelling them based on your personal prejudices and perceived understanding of their comments makes you intelligent. It doesn't - it just demonstrates how feeble you are intellectually.

Happy to discuss matters with you in an intelligent way and listen to you point of view - but only if you drop the childish name calling.

From looking at the majority of your posts, "intelligent" discussion means only if they agree with you IMO.

 

[Navy_4_life]

From looking at the majority of your posts, "intelligent" discussion means only if they agree with you IMO.

No I am very happy to accept that people can have different views to mine on a range of subjects. But present you POV with reasoned argument.
E.g. I could argue we must keep the carbon tax but I wouldn't do so by talking about deniers, flat earthers etc. Instead I would use economics and insurance

 

[DivideandMultiply]

Again you seem to think abusing someone and labelling them based on your personal prejudices and perceived understanding of their comments makes you intelligent. It doesn't - it just demonstrates how feeble you are intellectually.

Happy to discuss matters with you in an intelligent way and listen to you point of view - but only if you drop the childish name calling.

You trollin?

 

[MrCharisma]

But present you POV with reasoned argument.
E.g. I could argue we must keep the carbon tax but I wouldn't do so by talking about deniers, flat earthers etc. Instead I would use economics and insurance

Or you could argue that no one ever protested against Labor's treatment of asylum seekers, but you wouldn't do so by ignoring protests against Labor's treatment of asylum seekers.
Or you could argue that every asylum seeker gets a 10 grand furniture package when they arrive in Australia, but you wouldn't do so by loosely referencing an article from years ago that adds up every piece of furniture (including coat hangers and biscuit jars lol) in temporary accommodation for people while they were having their claims processed under the Gillard government.

 

[Navy_4_life]

You trollin?

Nope being serious.

Just because someone has a different point of view or values to you does not make them a troll.

 

[Navy_4_life]

Or you could argue that no one ever protested against Labor's treatment of asylum seekers, but you wouldn't do so by ignoring protests against Labor's treatment of asylum seekers.
Or you could argue that every asylum seeker gets a 10 grand furniture package when they arrive in Australia, but you wouldn't do so by loosely referencing an article from years ago that adds up every piece of furniture (including coat hangers and biscuit jars lol) in temporary accommodation for people while they were having their claims processed under the Gillard government.

Again when I argue I rely on facts, not my own distorted view of the world.

There were no major protests against Labor's asylum seeker policy by the mainstream lefties e.g. unionists, teachers etc. Yes Greens and the Socialist Alliance protested, but they will protest against anything. As soon as the govt changed the mainstream lefties were out in force.

As for the furniture - this was provided for families living in houses. Yes it may be temporary accommodation but for many temporary becomes years. There are a lot of battered women and pensioners out there that would love new washing machines, fridges etc.

I suppose you are one of those who ignores the ABC's video of an asylum seeker last week threatening to kill navy personnel and another saying we would face a 9/11 of our own and another saying * Australia. These are just isolated cases right? Not like the child bride scenario in today's papers. If you actually cared about human rights, women's rights etc you wouldn't encourage the adoption of people from a country with no respect for such things

 

[CLUBMEDhurst]

Again when I argue I rely on facts, not my own distorted view of the world.

There were no major protests against Labor's asylum seeker policy by the mainstream lefties e.g. unionists, teachers etc. Yes Greens and the Socialist Alliance protested, but they will protest against anything. As soon as the govt changed the mainstream lefties were out in force.

As for the furniture - this was provided for families living in houses. Yes it may be temporary accommodation but for many temporary becomes years. There are a lot of battered women and pensioners out there that would love new washing machines, fridges etc.

I suppose you are one of those who ignores the ABC's video of an asylum seeker last week threatening to kill navy personnel and another saying we would face a 9/11 of our own and another saying **** Australia. These are just isolated cases right? Not like the child bride scenario in today's papers. If you actually cared about human rights, women's rights etc you wouldn't encourage the adoption of people from a country with no respect for such things

Nice sample

 

[Gough]

Again when I argue I rely on facts, not my own distorted view of the world.

There were no major protests against Labor's asylum seeker policy by the mainstream lefties e.g. unionists, teachers etc. Yes Greens and the Socialist Alliance protested, but they will protest against anything. As soon as the govt changed the mainstream lefties were out in force.

As for the furniture - this was provided for families living in houses. Yes it may be temporary accommodation but for many temporary becomes years. There are a lot of battered women and pensioners out there that would love new washing machines, fridges etc.

I suppose you are one of those who ignores the ABC's video of an asylum seeker last week threatening to kill navy personnel and another saying we would face a 9/11 of our own and another saying **** Australia. These are just isolated cases right? Not like the child bride scenario in today's papers. If you actually cared about human rights, women's rights etc you wouldn't encourage the adoption of people from a country with no respect for such things

I can assure you that after the ALP announced it's new asylum policy there were people on the streets, I was amongst them.

 

[Getz]

mainstream lefties e.g. unionists, teachers etc. Yes Greens and the Socialist Alliance protested, but they will protest against anything. As soon as the govt changed the mainstream lefties were out in force.

?? What?

 

[Dan26]

Can you imagine the outrage if Liberal Party voters held up signs saying, "F**K Gillard", "Gillard is a Nazi", "Gillard should be shot", "Abort Gillard" etc etc.

Abbott cops it far worse, and the mainstream media has barely mentioned the insulting signs. The media would have been all over it, if the roles were revered.

Hell, Abbott inadvertently stood in front of a "ditch the witch" sign, and we didn't hear the end of it for weeks. At last weeks rally, there were dozens of signs far worse, and far more insulting, yet the media barely mentioned it. One of "The Age's" columnists called Clementine Ford actually made and sold "F**K Abbott" T-shirts. Can you believe it?

Can you imagine the outrage if a news Ltd columnist made a similar T-Shirt about Gillard?

 

[Gough]

I like you Dan. Don't ever change.

 

[MrCharisma]

Again when I argue I rely on facts, not my own distorted view of the world.

There were no major protests against Labor's asylum seeker policy by the mainstream lefties e.g. unionists, teachers etc. Yes Greens and the Socialist Alliance protested, but they will protest against anything. As soon as the govt changed the mainstream lefties were out in force.

You say you rely on "facts" but you fail provide any. What facts are you basing your statement on? I posted photographic evidence of major protests against Labor's asylum seekers policy, so you're quite simply wrong in regards to that. What facts do you have to support what occupation the protesters held? How do you know teachers didn't protest against Rudd's policy? Where are you getting these stats from?

As for the furniture - this was provided for families living in houses. Yes it may be temporary accommodation but for many temporary becomes years. There are a lot of battered women and pensioners out there that would love new washing machines, fridges etc.

Yes, temporary as in they don't get to keep the furniture, it's not given to them. These are people who cannot legally work yet and have literally no money. You admit that claims could have taken years - So I suppose you think we should have just let them starve and not given them an oven to cook with and beds to sleep on?

I suppose you are one of those who ignores the ABC's video of an asylum seeker last week threatening to kill navy personnel and another saying we would face a 9/11 of our own and another saying **** Australia. These are just isolated cases right? Not like the child bride scenario in today's papers. If you actually cared about human rights, women's rights etc you wouldn't encourage the adoption of people from a country with no respect for such things

No, I didn't even know asylum seekers were calling armed navy personnel names *gasp*. I don't know if its isolated? Is there an epidemic of asylum seekers calling RAN personnel names? You're the facts man.

What's child brides have to do with anything?

This whole post completely srs lulz considering your opening sentence is "Again when I argue I rely on facts, not my own distorted view of the world."

 

[Getz]

Can you imagine the outrage if Liberal Party voters held up signs saying, "F**K Gillard", "Gillard is a Nazi", "Gillard should be shot", "Abort Gillard" etc etc.

Abbott cops it far worse, and the mainstream media has barely mentioned the insulting signs. The media would have been all over it, if the roles were revered.

Hell, Abbott inadvertently stood in front of a "ditch the witch" sign, and we didn't hear the end of it for weeks. At last weeks rally, there were dozens of signs far worse, and far more insulting, yet the media barely mentioned it. One of "The Age's" columnists called Clementine Ford actually made and sold "F**K Abbott" T-shirts. Can you believe it?

Can you imagine the outrage if a news Ltd columnist made a similar T-Shirt about Gillard?

Basically the only coverage the marches got, was to point out the vicious signs.


Abbott joint the march with the "ditch the witch", and "Bob Brown's bitch" signs. He didn't start giving the speech, for people to sneak up behind him with the large signs, and hold them up.

That is a major difference between the signs at the two events.
One was a march endorsed by our current PM, the other one wasn't.

Anyone who defends any of the disgusting signs, is an idiot.

 

[Dan26]

Basically the only coverage the marches got, was to point out the vicious signs.


Abbott joint the march with the "ditch the witch", and "Bob Brown's bitch" signs. He didn't start giving the speech, for people to sneak up behind him with the large signs, and hold them up.

That is a major difference between the signs at the two events.
One was a march endorsed by our current PM, the other one wasn't.

Anyone who defends any of the disgusting signs, is an idiot.

Rubbish, that the only coverage the marches got was to point out the signs. That's untrue. Can you find ANYTHING in any Fairfax paper about the signs bar a sentence? Have a look.

Abbott had no idea those "ditch the witch" signs were there by the way. He wouldn't be stupid enough to be seen in front of them if he knew they were there, and has said as much.

The whole point here, is that the left are more barbaric, and are excused for this behaviour by a sympathetic left-wing media.

 

[Gough]

Barbaric!!!!!!

 

[MrCharisma]

The whole point here, is that the left are more barbaric, and are excused for this behaviour by a sympathetic left-wing media.

What behaviour?

 

[Getz]

Rubbish, that the only coverage the marches got was to point out the signs. That's untrue. Can you find ANYTHING in any Fairfax paper about the signs bar a sentence? Have a look.

Abbott had no idea those "ditch the witch" signs were there by the way. He wouldn't be stupid enough to be seen in front of them if he knew they were there, and has said as much.

The whole point here, is that the left are more barbaric, and are excused for this behaviour by a sympathetic left-wing media.

All I read about, was the bad signs. I didn't read anything positive about the marches. I would like to see some positive articles please, if you have the links??


Both signs, "Bob Brown's Bitch", and the "ditch the witch".

He mentioned during his speech that he agrees with some signs, and not with others. And he thought that would be enough to avoid any feedback to him giving his speech in front of those signs.
How could no one there have kept an eye on those signs? No PR around to make sure? It's because it was set up as the back drop.
The left are more barbaric?

 

[Sanders]

Our economy is absolutely stuffed. If you can't see that then you clearly are not trying to run a business or seek employment in the private sector.
The Govt is in so much debt who knows when it can be paid back? With more people exiting the workforce than entering the ability of the govt to fund things like the pension, medicare etc in 20 years is seriously at risk. As a place to do business Australia has plummeted down the list. We are now a country perceived as having a high sovereign risk.

Our employment system is so screwed that rather than open on Sunday's many small businesses (e.g. cafes) shut down because it is too expensive to pay staff triple time. As a result people who wish to work those days (e.g. students) end up unemployed or underemployed.

Our State Govts have so poorly invested in infrastructure that our roads are clogged. The mining boom is slowing down and the expectant gas boom is in serious jeopardy because of the US gas boom and the fact our wages and compliance costs are far too high. So the next round of tax revenue is under threat, as is business investment.

In short our living standards are going to drop dramatically unless we change the fact that over 50% of the working population pay no net tax. The welfare entitlement mentality needs to end. Australia will fall into a depression within 20 years if change does not occur.

As for the environment, we can see the result of Greens policies in Tasmania where development is stifled at every opportunity. You have a State with the highest unemployment in the country that gets almost 50% of its govt revenue from other States. Without other States supporting Tasmania it would be even more of a basket case.

Lastly your comments on the carbon tax are utter crap. If the world moved to a pricing mechanism it would work fine. But with Australia, responsible for 1.4% of the world's emissions, acting basically in isolation, not only will there be no impact on the environment but the impact on our standard of living will be severe. When Canada, Indonesia, China, India, USA etc put a price on carbon so can we.

As for direct action - dog of a policy and should be removed.

In relation to your environmental points:

1. defunding the environmental defenders office - why should the taxpayer pay for free legal advice for greenies? You want a lawyer pay for it yourself. The only time a taxpayer should pay legal costs is if someone has been criminally charged. Otherwise take some personal responsibility.

2. defunding international environmental programs - again pay for this yourself if you care about it. I don't ask the taxpayer to pay for my interests.

3. "a climate change sceptic" - see the use of this label shows that to you global warming isn't science but religion. Faith that must be obeyed. As for the RET all it is is a way to subsidise the power use of rich trendy greenies at the expense of the poor, like pensioners who pay higher electricity costs. It is a dog of a policy that is hampering our competitive advantage as a low cost energy producer.

4. the Climate Commission was a dog of an organisation that spread propaganda and lies at the taxpayers expense. How are the dams that Professor Flannery said would be empty by now? Aren't most almost full? Why you expect my taxes to fund this serial liar is beyond me. Again why can't the organisation be funded by those who want it?

5. you mean the APCT? Yeah let's ditch something that scientists and experts show won't hurt the reef (I mean it survived an ice age and other weather events) and will provide thousands of jobs and billions in income.

Geez I would love to give you Greenies part of Australia to run as you see fit on the proviso that you get no support financially from the rest of the country. I mean you made a basket case of Tasmania and the people have spoken and that was when almost 50% of your revenue was coming from others pockets.

OMG

 

[Lester Burnham]

I can assure you that after the ALP announced it's new asylum policy there were people on the streets, I was amongst them.

Getting thrown out of pubs doesn't count.

 

[Bradesmaen]

Can you imagine the outrage if Liberal Party voters held up signs saying, "F**K Gillard", "Gillard is a Nazi", "Gillard should be shot", "Abort Gillard" etc etc.

Abbott cops it far worse, and the mainstream media has barely mentioned the insulting signs. The media would have been all over it, if the roles were revered.

Hell, Abbott inadvertently stood in front of a "ditch the witch" sign, and we didn't hear the end of it for weeks. At last weeks rally, there were dozens of signs far worse, and far more insulting, yet the media barely mentioned it. One of "The Age's" columnists called Clementine Ford actually made and sold "F**K Abbott" T-shirts. Can you believe it?

Can you imagine the outrage if a news Ltd columnist made a similar T-Shirt about Gillard?

Dan, Left wing nut jobs protest and march in the streets, right wing nut jobs buy media outlets to influence people. So that would never happen.

 

[Dan26]

Dan, Left wing nut jobs protest and march in the streets, right wing nut jobs buy media outlets to influence people. So that would never happen.

If you're referring to news ltd, they only own about 30% of all publications. Sure they have about 70% of sales, but that is beside the point. They outsell Fairfax, because people prefer to read them. That's the free market at work. They only have 30% of all publications.

And most journalists - even news ltd ones - are left wing:

http://newsweekly.com.au/article.php?id=5595

News ltd journalists: 46.5% vote Labor, 26.7% vote coalition, 19.8% vote Greens
Fairfax journalists: 54.7% vote Labor, 19.8% vote Greens, 19.8% vote Coalition
ABC journalists: 41.2% vote Greens, 32.4% vote Labor, 14.7% vote Coalition

Fairfax, is way, way more to the left, than News Ltd is to the right. Is this one of your "media outlets" that are influencing people?

What about the ABC? is this one of your media outlets that are influencing people?

And how do you explain that most News Ltd journalists are left wing?

The facts are that the left are far more barbarian, and boorish with their behaviour. Their supporters are more inclined to justify signs that wish death upon people, because when you support the party of the so-called "social conscience" it excuses people to act like thugs. "Hey I support a party that saves the planet and cares about poor people, so it's okay if I have a 'F**k Abbott' sign."

That's why the left behaves like this, and the right isn't anywhere near as bad.

 

[Bradesmaen]

Wow, you can't even take a small ribbing without getting incredibly defensive.... You are the quintessential right wing nutter.

 

[Lester Burnham]

Wow, you can't even take a small ribbing without getting incredibly defensive.... You are the quintessential right wing nutter.

I love it when someone gets totally pwned by evidence and retorts with the 'I was only joking' defence.