It won't change them running on the counter but it will have stronger position to stop it if the ball kicked back inside D50.
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What we have lacked for 2-3 years now is an even spread of goals coming from the forwards, we have had good contributions coming from the midfielders but this is has been with Beams included.
We have now got in Varcoe, and getting some players back who can assist with the spread including Karnesis and Reid along with DeGoey, Fasolo.
We miss the crumbles around Cloke and hopefully our younger guys can step up ala Broomhead to give some more scoring options.
I think with Cloke, Elliot Karnesis, White, Broomhead, Reid we have a lot of potential to be scoring with the likes of DeGoey, Broomhead, Kennedy, Blair, Varcoe, Sidebottom , Fasolo at their heels.
Will be interesting to see where these guys are played and the style we go for this year, especially with all the talk of teams being more attacking this year.
We have now got in Varcoe, and getting some players back who can assist with the spread including Karnesis and Reid along with DeGoey, Fasolo.
We miss the crumbles around Cloke and hopefully our younger guys can step up ala Broomhead to give some more scoring options.
I think with Cloke, Elliot Karnesis, White, Broomhead, Reid we have a lot of potential to be scoring with the likes of DeGoey, Broomhead, Kennedy, Blair, Varcoe, Sidebottom , Fasolo at their heels.
Will be interesting to see where these guys are played and the style we go for this year, especially with all the talk of teams being more attacking this year.
I don't think we have been good at crumbing for a long time now, pre Bucks even. Outside of Davis, and he wasn't really hitting the score board as much in his later years, who was our last decent crumber? I see that as different from goals forced by the press or forward pressure. Whether its lack of talented crumbers, too defensive an approach or too few deliveries that give rise to crumbs I got no idea. I hope this changes quickly. I can't see either Grundy or Witts becoming really dangerous of themselves in the forward line in terms of marking but I think both could have the ability to create a decent target and bring the ball to ground. So IMO we need a forward line that can capitilise on that.
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I think we have a lot of talented marking forwards but not so many natural crumbing forwards in the Eddie Betts mould.
I like to imagine a forward line that contains Cloke, Keeffe/Reid, Witts/Grundy/White/Goldsack (all talls) and Fasolo, Elliott and Broomhead/Kennedy will be able to bring the ball to ground more often and give us an opportunity to crumb some goals. Fasolo, Broomhead and Kennedy all have good goal sense whilst Elliott is more a set shot kind of player but works hard enough to make things happen.
It's also worth noting that in the last two seasons we've had real trouble delivering into and keeping the ball in the forward 50 to force a turnover or contest and create a crumbing opportunity. It seems like 50% of the time the ball goes in it comes back out faster on the other wing.
I don't think we've had our first choice forward line for quite a few seasons and really like the looks of this season if they all stay fit and we have some of the young blokes pushing for a spot and our mids (Swan) rotating through.
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Absolutely but even then, that's what, two players in a decade?
How could I forget, guy was brilliant. Short memory my friend, short memory. That, age and way too many drugs is my excuse. Thanks to you and Apex for correcting that missed great crumber.
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Was awesome....chalky bones but! My god he was good and had so much potential.
Agreed, in that they were handy but I don't see either of them as specialist crumbers so to speak. Nor Dick. Beams was pretty handy at sharking stoppages but I wouldn't see him as a crumber either.
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No that is exactly what I was getting at. We seem to want our forwards to either take a mark or force a stoppage.
Cloke rarely seems to spoil to the advantage of a teammate if in a contested situation and our small or defensive forwards would rather make a tackle than shark the ball and have a shot under pressure.
That is why guys like Fasolo, Karnezis, Broomhead and Kennedy are so important in our forward line. They have the self confidence to take the shot and back thenselves. Elliott also does this but through hard work and gut running - I think his outstanding marking ability has really given him no inclination to be a crumbing forward. He would rather take the grab and have a set shot than grab it front and centre and snap it.
That's why this year looks so promising up front. We have quite a few natural goal kickers fit and healthy.
Cloke rarely seems to spoil to the advantage of a teammate if in a contested situation and our small or defensive forwards would rather make a tackle than shark the ball and have a shot under pressure.
That is why guys like Fasolo, Karnezis, Broomhead and Kennedy are so important in our forward line. They have the self confidence to take the shot and back thenselves. Elliott also does this but through hard work and gut running - I think his outstanding marking ability has really given him no inclination to be a crumbing forward. He would rather take the grab and have a set shot than grab it front and centre and snap it.
That's why this year looks so promising up front. We have quite a few natural goal kickers fit and healthy.
Witts could be an answer as a deep forward option. He has a good understanding of when to lead, and is actually a good kick to a leading target also...potential there for him to be the deepest forward, and offer bit of relief to Grundy in the ruck. have Cloke playing the more traditional CHF role and then White, Gault or Reid/Keeffe could be a third tall option...or perhaps go a bit more mobile with guys like Elliott, PattyK and Fasolo all playing up forward and all being marking type targets also.
Whenever looking at how we go this year ultimately comes down to Reid playing a full season of quality football and Witts and Grundy both stepping up to being quality AFL players...if that happens we should play finals.
Whenever looking at how we go this year ultimately comes down to Reid playing a full season of quality football and Witts and Grundy both stepping up to being quality AFL players...if that happens we should play finals.
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Most of the over the top celebrations or over-rating of the win probably stem from the relief of not having to read more, (mindless) posts about how Bucks has lost the players.
That for me is the most pleasing part, a team that had a go regardless of the circumstances and played the way the coach wanted them to play.
Most of the over the top celebrations or over-rating of the win probably stem from the relief of not having to read more, (mindless) posts about how Bucks has lost the players.
That for me is the most pleasing part, a team that had a go regardless of the circumstances and played the way the coach wanted them to play.
One of my positive spins on the Bucks era is that we have attempted to create list depth, compeition for a spot in the 22 and finals relevance whilst drafting youth and skills in delivery. Injuries have masked this and accentuated our fall from grace. What we saw last night was this bearing fruit. I don't think its rocket science or so recently discovered game plan. Seems to me the evidence has been there from 2012 that Bucks wants a hard at it, pressure side combined with an ability to move the ball directly through the centre. Whether we can remain injury free and the youth can produce when it counts, season long is yet to be proven. It appears to me we are actually beginning to gather the cattle that have the ability collectively to play the way the coach wants.
I don't rate the win that much. I do rate the way we won.
I don't rate the win that much. I do rate the way we won.
Agree with this. After all he did let Rattan coach
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Have had enough of Buckley bashing, you dont like Bucks then F off to Carlton to be with Mick, god knows he is doing such a wonderful job there........ No one deserves to be a part of a Collingwood premiership more than Nathan and he is a young coach learning on the job, support him or F off.
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