Phantom Draft Chris25's 2009 Phantom Draft

[GrandBlue]

Re: 2009 Phantom Draft - Version 2

Regarding the updated version.

I don't think Panos will go to Port at pick 9, it's just too early and they're better off taking another midfielder I reckon. Also, at Pick 16, Port should have other forward options available to select like perhaps Carlisle, Black, Griffiths (Just to name a few) and to be honest, there's not a lot of difference between that lot and Panos from what I've seen.

Also, while I recall Essendon saying they want to draft pacey players, I get the feeling they'll select another hard-bodied player to help Watson whilst recruiting pace in the second round. Not to mention, Jetta might even last to their second pick and while it's unlikely, I think Essendon should go with that possibility and if that doesn't work, they'll probably select someone like Ah Chee.

I also think Black would work better for Melbourne than Carlisle. Whilst Carlisle offers versatility to move down back, I'm convinced Melbourne already have a good number of KP Defenders like Frawley, Garland, Rivers, Warnock and Martin. What they need is a genuine full forward like Black to pair with Watts rather than a lead-up type of forward like Carlisle (I reckon he'd work better at Carlton).

Oh, and I think Geelong would be better off with a KP Forward or Ruckman rather than another midfielder like Christensen. If Geelong's depth exceeds anywhere, it's their midfield.

 

[willoblue]

Re: 2009 Phantom Draft - Version 2

Plus the Danihers at Essendon, the Selwoods at West Coast and pretty much every Port player who has a brother or cousin

bit of a difference in quality in your example, hey?
Danihers vs 2 of the 3 not gr8 Selwoods.
when there were only 3 Selwoods playing AFL, i found myself humming Morricone soundtracks to spaghetti westerns.
the good Joel - no explanation required
the bad Troy - just not good enough
& the ugly Adam - stooping to sledge a man's daughter.
now there is another, so i better maybe look at another grouping.

Anyway, you could have chosen a lot better than the Bunnings boys (sell wood .... crap joke i know) to illustrate your point.

cheers

 

[cannons]

Re: 2009 Phantom Draft - Version 2

Chris, you mentioned in Carlisle's write-up that you think Black is the next best KPF.

If so, why would we select Carlisle for his versatility when we are looking pretty good defensively, and our main aim (after secruring Scully and Trengove) is to get someone who can partner Watts up forward?

I would honestly prefer Black from everything I've heard about him, sounds like an extremely good propsect up forward.

 

[Chris25]

Re: 2009 Phantom Draft - Version 2

OK, let me try to explain the whole Carlisle selection.....

I think I might have highlighted his versatility a little too much in the explanation. Obviously he does have it, and that is a good thing, but it's not the only area of his game. And it's all a matter of what role he is developed in. If Melbourne were to see him as a FF, then I have no doubt that he would develop into a very good one. I can see him being a Kosi type FF, with Watts roaming around like Riewoldt.

Along with Panos, Black is probably one of the better genuine forwards, although admittedly still quite raw. But potentially, Carlisle is right up there with them. I wouldn't worry about taking the versatile Carlisle, because I think he will do just as well after settling into the one position.

 

[gandaal]

Re: 2009 Phantom Draft - Version 2

12. Carlton - Aaron Black
After trading away Fevola and not receiving a forward in return, the Blues should look at drafting one here. Black is the best available, and he will provide the target they will be sorely missing. There is only so much you can ask Fisher, Waite and O’hAilpin to do. Black will at least give them a genuine forward.

1) Ever heard of a guy called Lachlan Hendersen? You may rate him as a defender but that's only because that's where he played in Brisbane given their weakness in that area.
2) You're mental if you think any kid drafted, let alone with pick 12, is going to be a walk up start key forward in an AFL side.

 

[Chris25]

Re: 2009 Phantom Draft - Version 2

1) I rate Henderson highly, and think this deal was much better than the Bradshaw/Rischitelli one. But I think he will play his best football in the backline. I know he played his junior football as a forward, but Matthews was right when he moved him to defence. Ratten will play him forward, but don't be surprised if that's not where he plays in the coming years.

2) Of course Black isn't going to be a walk up start. Chances are no KPP taken in this draft will be, perhaps maybe Butcher. I was talking a year or two down the track, when Black is physically ready for AFL. In the meantime Henderson, Waite, O'hAilpin and Kreuzer will be the targets up forward. But Black will be the target when Carlton are back in the premiership picture.

 

[gandaal]

Re: 2009 Phantom Draft - Version 2

1) I rate Henderson highly, and think this deal was much better than the Bradshaw/Rischitelli one. But I think he will play his best football in the backline. I know he played his junior football as a forward, but Matthews was right when he moved him to defence. Ratten will play him forward, but don't be surprised if that's not where he plays in the coming years.

2) Of course Black isn't going to be a walk up start. Chances are no KPP taken in this draft will be, perhaps maybe Butcher. I was talking a year or two down the track, when Black is physically ready for AFL. In the meantime Henderson, Waite, O'hAilpin and Kreuzer will be the targets up forward. But Black will be the target when Carlton are back in the premiership picture.

Certainly you're entitled to your opinion, but I'm a big believer in the best available policy and I doubt Carlton will pass up a midfielder they rate just so we can get another KPP on our list.

Regardless thanks for the effort you went to. It's not easy to do one of these things and put yourself out there. Despite what I've said I appreciate it.

 

[chopperduck]

Re: 2009 Phantom Draft - Version 2

Even in the reserves in the QAFL Hendo was playing forward, that is where we were grooming him to play after Bradshaw left in a year or two. He only got senior games in defense as there just isn't room up forward for him. I dont think he would have the pace to keep with decent forwards at the top level on the lead. However he has great body work, which is much more useful to him playing down in the square, which is exactly where he should and will be played.

Pretty sure Ratten has already stated they are keen to get him in and playing forward next year. Make no mistake, Hendo is the Fev replacement. Blues might still go for a tall i think, but a utility or versatile tall who could play forward or back. They wont go for a dedicated forward.

Hendo will be the FF when the blues are looking at a flag, and i think will be one of the better forwards going around at that time.

 

[Chris25]

So I've finished the post-trade week version of my draft. I've tried to give an explanation of both the player and the reasoning behind the selection, so enjoy.

1. Melbourne - Tom Scully
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No surprises here from Melbourne. They have essentially come out and said they will be taking Scully, and it's no wonder why.

2. Melbourne - Jack Trengove
After the loss of McLean and the addition of Pick 11, I think Melbourne will put off choosing a tall for now. Trengove is second best player in the draft, and would offer an immediate replacement for McLean. With a better midfield, perhaps even a Newton or Jamar might be able to step up as a key forward.

3. Richmond - Dustin Martin
Martin had a good draft camp, and that has seen him rise in the draft order. Personally, I still like Butcher for this pick. But Richmond have a couple of options up forward, and their midfield stocks are quite thin. Martin would offer some much needed skill and toughness to the Richmond midfield.

4. Fremantle - Anthony Morabito
Fremantle have all but confirmed they will take Morabito if he is still around. Midfielders of his size are quite rare, and I think he'll be the best player taken in this draft.

5. North Melbourne - Ben Cunnington
I strongly considered Butcher here, but I think North will overlook him and go for the best available midfielder. North have a couple of key forwards (although I have question marks over how successful they will be) and will feel comfortable enough waiting until the second round to take a key forward. Cunnington meanwhile will work well alongside of Swallow and Ziebell, and unlike their other midfielders can have an impact on the scoreboard.

6. Sydney Swans - John Butcher
They have White and Johnston, but with Butcher their forward line will be set for the next 10 years. Sydney can't afford to drop down the ladder for too long, and drafting Butcher is the best way to avoid this. While they'll still be able to take a quality midfielder at Pick 14.

7. West Coast - Kane Lucas
The rumours are that Jetta will be considered here, but the draft camp has just further strengthened Lucas' claim for this selection. He might not be the flavour of the month, but he has been considered as a top 10 selection all year and nothing has changed.

8. Port Adelaide - Luke Tapscott
Tapscott is the next best midfielder in the draft. He'll offer the Port midfield a big body and good foot skills, while also providing another option across half forward.

9. Port Adelaide - Matthew Panos
Port need another tall forward, and Panos is the best genuine forward available at this point. He should help to straighten them up, and will take the pressure off of Westhoff who is better as a second or third tall. This could be a bit of a stretch and I think he might still be available at Pick 16, but Port will make sure they get him here and will look to midfielders later. And the fact that he is South Australian is just a bonus, not the reason for the selection.

10. Essendon - Lewis Jetta
With the loss of Lovett, I'm expecting Essendon to look at drafting speed while Jetta does have the skill to go with the speed. His draft camp has seen him rise in the rankings, and although I think Pick 10 might be a little early for him, I think Essendon would be the best fit for him outside of WA. A hard inside midfielder would also be on the cards and might be a little more important for Essendon, but nonetheless Jetta wins out with his speed and skill.

11. Melbourne - Jake Carlisle
After taking Scully and Trengove with their first two picks, Melbourne will turn their attention to a KPP. I rate Black as the next best key forward, but I think Melbourne will go with versatility and the fact that Carlisle can play forward and back will see him get the nod. Ultimately though, Carlisle will be developed into a Koschitzke-type full forward, and will be a very good one at that.

12. Carlton - Aaron Black
After trading away Fevola the Blues should look at drafting a new key forward here. Black is the best available, and he will provide the target they will be sorely missing. Henderson will likely play forward, but ultimately I think he will move to defence and will play his best football down back. While there is only so much you can ask Fisher, Waite and O’hAilpin to do, although they will at least give Black some time to develop.

13. Adelaide - Gary Rohan
I just can’t see Rohan going in the top 10, the second half of the first round is more his area. And Adelaide should be rapt to get him here. Rohan offers speed and defensive pressure off half forward, which is exactly what Adelaide need. The fact that he doesn’t win a lot of the ball won’t be an issue at the Crows, as they have other players who do just that.

14. Sydney Swans - Jake Melksham
Melksham was always one player who could push into the first round, and his performance in the TAC Cup Grand Final should see that happen. He has the speed, agility, skill and the ability to play both inside and outside. So he ticks all the boxes, and that is perfect for a team like Sydney.

15. Western Bulldogs - Daniel Talia
With Barry Hall joining the Bulldogs, I think Talia will be the one missing link between them and a premiership. Williams, Hargrave and Everitt are good players, but all are better suited to playing a rebounding role. Talia will offer support for Lake, while freeing up guys like Hargrave and Morris to play on people their own size.

16. Port Adelaide - Koby Stevens
No longer in the top 10, but does find a place at the end of the first round. Stevens is a good, solid player and has only slipped because of guys like Melksham and Jetta increasing their standing. Stevens is a genuine midfielder, which I think is something Port is lacking. And I can see his inside game working quite well with Tapscott, Pearce and Rodan.

17. Geelong - Allen Christensen
I’ve always had him under consideration for the Geelong pick, and he finds his way back to the Cats in this version. With Drum going to Geelong, I think they have a good replacement for Milburn. While ruckmen can be picked up later, which I expect them to do. As good as the Geelong midfield is, a lot of the players are quite similar. Christensen would bring agility and speed to the Geelong midfield, the comparison is with Daniel Kerr and a player like that would be a handy acquisition for Geelong.

 

[Chris25]

18. Melbourne – Nathan Vardy
They’ve taken two midfielders and a versatile tall, the last thing they desperately need is a quality ruckman. And in Vardy they get the best one on offer. Could be considered unlucky to miss the first round, but I can’t see anyone else taking a ruckman so early. I think he could well be one of the better ruckmen of the last few years.

19. Richmond – Andrew Moore
After taking Martin in the first round, is Moore really what Richmond need? No, probably not. But I have a feeling they will go for the best available player, and the good news for them is that Moore is a very versatile player. Could play a lead up CHF role or through the midfield, like O’Keefe at Sydney. If Richmond overlooks Butcher, I can see them continuing to shore up their midfield and look at KPP’s later on.

20. Fremantle – Brad Sheppard
If Black were available, Fremantle would take him. But he isn’t, so I think they will continue to draft midfielders. Sheppard is the best available, and he could very well to West Coast in the first round. Can play off half back, but at Fremantle he will be developed into a genuine inside midfielder. And he will be a very good one at that.

21. North Melbourne – Jack Fitzpatrick
After passing on Butcher, North need to take a tall in the second round. Fitzpatrick has all the potential in the world, and if the draft was based just on that he would go top 3. I don’t think he would be a great fit at North, he could be another Hansen type pick who takes a long time to develop and struggles to nail down a position. But I think North will appreciate his potential, and will take the punt on the kid who could be the best KPP from the draft.

22. West Coast – Travis Colyer
Colyer is another one who had a very good draft camp, and has increased his standing in the draft. West Coast need speed, and Colyer would offer that and more. He won’t be a lot of help as a small forward in my opinion, but he will have a definite impact in the midfield and will compliment Ebert, Masten and Lucas quite well.

23. West Coast – Nat Fyfe
West Coast need talls, but also another small forward option. Fyfe offers them the best of both worlds, he can play tall but he also has some pretty impressive tricks. Without having any third or fourth round picks, this versatility should appeal of the Eagles and is the main reason he is going this early.

24. Essendon – Ben Griffiths
Another team who needs a tall forward, and they’ll be pretty happy with Griffiths lasting until their pick. Neagle has been around for a while now, and hasn’t shown a lot at AFL level. While personally I like Hurley more as a defender. Griffiths is big and can take a strong mark, and if it wasn’t for injuries would be going earlier. Surely one of Griffiths and Gumbleton will be able to have an injury free season.

25. North Melbourne – Jordan Gysberts
After taking a KPP, North are back to taking the best available midfielder. I like Gysberts, and I’ve had him going in the first round previously. But I think some other players have overtaken him, especially after the draft camp. Gysberts is a decent sized midfielder with good skills, and will fit in nicely with North’s working class midfield.

26. Essendon – Mitch Duncan
Like North, Essendon are back to drafting midfielders. Duncan has played primarily off half forward, and has done so very successfully. But he has the skills and ability to become a full time midfielder, and ultimately that is where he will play. In the meantime, he has the skills to play as a medium sized forward or across half back.

27. Brisbane Lions – Ryan Bastinac
Brisbane have traded away their future for a premiership now, so they won’t be taking any developing players. Bastinac is one player who could come in and have an immediate impact. He is a solid midfielder, but also one who can run all day. And I think he will play as an outside runner in the short term, and could definitely play a role at Brisbane next season.

28. Geelong – James Craig
Geelong lost a ruckman and gained a rebounding defender during trade week. They now need another ruckman even more than before, while they are still lacking depth in their KPP stocks. Craig gives them another ruck option, and ultimately a player to develop into a full back. I like Craig, and he could be one to surprise a lot of people with how early he goes.

29. Adelaide – Alex Carey
I hope Carey doesn’t get drafted. As a Redbacks fan, I would love to see him stick with cricket rather than going into the AFL. But he is just as good a footballer as he is a cricketer. Solid inside midfielder with good tackling skills. As good a replacement for Shirley/Doughty as Adelaide will be able to find.

30. Collingwood – Josh Thomas
Beams last year, and Thomas this year. Someone gave Thomas a guarantee that he will be drafted, and I think it was Collingwood. Thomas is a very promising midfielder, with good skills and pace. One of the better players to come out of Queensland in recent years, and even in the second round Thomas could be a steal.

31. Western Bulldogs – Jesse Crichton
Best available midfielder for the Bulldogs. Crichton could go earlier, but I think this is about right for him. Crichton can play as either an attacking or defensive midfielder, and that should appeal to the Bulldogs. I like the young midfielders at the Bulldogs, so Crichton should have plenty of time to develop and iron out any deficiencies in his game.

32. St Kilda – Ryan Harwood
Harwood will take time to develop, and the Saints will be able to offer him as much time as he needs. But he is a good inside midfielder, who works well in the clearances and can win his own ball. Another player who has potential, and if he develops into the player it is believed he will, then he could be another steal.

33. Essendon – Max Gawn
Essendon have drafted two midfielders and a KPP, but another ruckman is still high on their list of needs. They have a couple of star ruckmen in Ryder and Hille, plus a couple of developing talls. But another one never hurts. Gawn is 206cm, and after Vardy and Craig, is the best ruck in the draft and the depth in ruckmen does drop off significantly. Better to jump now, than wait and lose out.

 

[Chris25]

34. Melbourne – Nicholas Winmar
Melbourne have had a pretty good draft so far, and nothing is changing with this pick. Winmar plays most of his football off the wing, and he plays his role well. At 190cm he is decent size for a wingman, but he will take time to develop. He has a pretty good combination of skill, flair and hard work, so I can see him working well with the rest of the Melbourne midfield.

35. Richmond – Sam Reid
After taking a couple of midfielders, it wouldn’t surprise me to see Richmond draft talls from here on out. Reid is an athletic tall at that, and can play both in defence or up forward. Probably better suited to defence, but can take a strong grab at either end. His draft camp has seen him jump up the order, and he is a genuine chance at going in the second round.

36. Fremantle – Troy Taylor
The most exciting player in the draft, and my favourite player. Fremantle are apparently the team chasing him the hardest, and despite the recent attention he has gotten I don’t see him going in the second round. Taylor has everything you could ask for in a small/medium forward, and has the tricks to rival Motlop. Eventually he could be a burst player in the midfield, and he has even played in the ruck before so he obviously has a decent leap on him given he stands at 189cm.

37. North Melbourne – Daniel Menzel
Menzel is a hard working running defender, with decent skills to match. With Smith walking out on the club, Menzel would be a handy addition to the squad. He would offer them another midfield option too, but his work setting up the play from defence is the highlight of his game, so I would let him play that quarterback role that teams love so much nowadays.

38. Sydney Swans – Callum Bartlett
If it wasn’t for injury, Bartlett would be going a lot higher than this and as such could prove to be one of the steals of the draft. The Sydney midfield has for a long time now missed speed and agility, with the exception of Goodes of course. Bartlett is quick and has very good foot skills. Along with Melksham, he’ll transform the Sydney midfield into something that is has never been before – fast.

39. Hawthorn – Derick Wanganeen
After trading for Gibson and Burgoyne, I think Hawthorn will just go for best available. They are still missing that big bodied defender, and another ruckman. But I don’t think any of them are really deserving of this selection. Wanganeen is a very quick forward/midfielder, with good hands and skills. He’ll need a year or two in the gym before he has a real impact, but he should allow Rioli to move into the midfield on a more permanent basis.

40. Geelong – Ayden Kennedy
Kennedy is an athletic lead up forward, who should provide a good foil for Mooney, Ottens and Hawkins. His goal kicking is generally pretty good, and his draft camp results could see him go even earlier.

41. North Melbourne – Jo Dare
Dare is a country boy who has come from nowhere into draft calculations. He is 188cm, but does play taller. I can see him being a replacement for Gibson, but unlike Gibson he is composed and has awareness of what is going on around him. Has very good hands, and is a tough player which North apparently like to pride themselves on.

42. Geelong – Jesse Smith
Yes, this is the Jesse Smith from North Melbourne. Has walked out on the club, and it looks likely that he will nominate for the ND not the PSD. Geelong were keen on him, and Smith was keen on them in trade week. He has some pretty bad injury problems, but if any club could afford to take the punt on him it would be Geelong.

43. Carlton – Myles Pitt
I think Carlton have more than enough midfield depth, while their defence and ruck stocks are pretty good. So I’ve gone with another forward. Pitt is a lead up third tall, and has a good set of hands on him. Basically, Pitt will hopefully be what Fisher should have been. I think Pitt could come in and have an impact in his first year, and should give them another dimension up forward.

44. Richmond – Andrew Hooper
Hooper tested well in the draft camp, and if it wasn’t for his size he would probably have gone a lot earlier. But he is very short, although admittedly built like a tank. He has played most of his football as a small defender, and could do so for Richmond. But he has good speed and agility, so could move into the midfield and he would be a very tough one at that.

45. Adelaide – Roland Ah Chee
Ah Chee has been the big slider in my draft, and there is no real reason for this. I think he was talked up early, and since then everyone has just had him around the second round mark. He is a versatile player in that he could play forward, or as an inside or outside midfielder. Has good skills and decent pace. And unlike a lot of Indigenous players, work rate is his strength and not flair. Would be a good fit at Adelaide, and with Rohan and Carey Adelaide would have one of the better young midfields in the AFL.

46. Hawthorn – Josh Donaldson
In the short term, Donaldson would offer Hawthorn another option in the ruck. He is a bit short to play his career in the ruck, and as such I think he’ll develop into a Dustin Fletcher type full back. He has good agility and long arms, so there is no reason he won’t be successful as a KPP.

47. Brisbane Lions – David Astbury
After trading away Henderson, who was one of Brisbane’s few good young KPP’s, Brisbane will surely look to strengthen their talls with this pick. Astbury is a KPP who can play forward or back, and I think Astbury will develop into a solid key defender. It wouldn’t surprise me to see them draft a ready made player though as clearly they want that premiership now, and Astbury will probably require a couple of seasons in the gym.

48. Fremantle – Joel Houghton
After overlooking a key forward in the second round, Fremantle should jump at Houghton here. At 196cm, Houghton is a very good size and moves well for a guy that tall. He has strong hands and is a good kick, while he doesn’t shy away from a contest. I see him playing as a classic CHF, like Kennedy at the Eagles. Could prove to be a bargain pick.

49. Fremantle – Mark Hutchings
Consecutive picks for Fremantle, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see them taking another tall. But Hutchings is a good pick up at this stage in the draft. A solid inside midfielder, and has the classic inside midfielder attributes of awareness, vision and leadership. Will form a good partnership with Palmer, Hasleby and DeBoer and will finally give Fremantle a genuine midfield.

 

[Chris25]

50. Melbourne –Dylan McNeil
I could see Melbourne taking another tall here, but they might as well keep developing their midfield. Melbourne have quite a few outside players, and McNeil would offer them the complete opposite. He is strong in the clearances and is very courageous; a midfield of him, Scully and Trengove would be quite impressive and hard to beat in the clearances. McNeil is just an all-round strong player.

51. Richmond – Serhat Temel
Somebody has to take him, and Richmond would probably be the best fit. Richmond needs a key forward in my opinion, but with Riewoldt and Morton they already have the athletic forwards. Temel isn’t the most agile or quick player going around, but he can take a strong mark. Richmond need a big target in the goal square to kick the ball long to, and that is exactly what you will get with Temel.

52. Fremantle – Chris Luff
Fremantle need a key defender, and Luff is the best one WA has to offer. And I see this as being around the mark for Luff. He is a solid defender who reads the ball well, and put in some good performances during the U18’s.

53. North Melbourne – Brayden Norris
Norris is a hard running player, who equalled the best ever beep test result at the draft camp. Plays primarily as a half forward, who has strong hands and is good on the lead. His running abilities should mean he is capable of moving into the midfield, and I can see him working well with a midfield of Swallow, Anthony, Gysberts, Cunnington and Ziebell.

54. Sydney Swans – Jason Tutt
Has played mostly off half back, and this is due to his good foot skills being utilised in a way that he can set the play up. He has good speed and isn’t afraid of going for a run, and there is no reason he won’t be able to slot into the Sydney midfield, particularly given Shaw owns the half back position.

55. Sydney Swans – Dylan Grimes
Grundy is a very good defender in my book, but the rest of the Sydney defence is ageing. Grimes is a good solid defender, who sticks to his task well and has good closing speed. Put in a good performance at the draft camp, and that could see him going earlier than this.

56. Geelong – Marcus Davies
Davies plays through the midfield and across half back, and is very much a power runner. This was shown through his excellent beep test and time trial results at the draft camp. Davies was interviewed by Geelong, and apparently performed well in his interviews. Given time to develop, and the Tasmanian could be a very handy pick up at this stage of the draft.

57. Hawthorn – Kyle Hartigan
Hawthorn did lose a couple of young midfielders during trade week, but I’d expect them to look at some mature aged midfielders later on or during the rookie draft instead. Instead, I have them taking a KPP here. Hartigan is a good prospect, and it wouldn’t be surprising to see him go a lot earlier. At 194cm he is a good size, and athletically is very good. I see him developing into a solid full back, and could well do so sooner rather than later.

58. Essendon – Anthony Long
Long is a skilful running defender, who has been injured at stages during the season. Potentially, he could go a lot higher than this as he is a very good player. Has speed and agility, and works well in traffic too. This selection is very much a best available one, rather than needs.

59. Carlton – Josh Cowan
You can probably throw a blanket over the remaining midfielders in the draft. Cowan is a winger, who can find plenty of the ball. Decision making is a strength, and Carlton have enough midfield depth to let him develop properly.

60. St Kilda – Tom Hill
Hill was talked up last year, as a possible top 50 pick but ultimately didn’t get drafted. He’ll definitely get taken during one of the drafts this year, but I think it will be later on. He has the size, speed and agility to be a very handy KPP. Could be developed into a forward, defender or ruckman, and the Saints could go either way. He would be a similar forward to Koschitzke, so he might be best used as a defender/ruckman.

61. Adelaide – Simon Potts
Potts is a tall defender, although best suited as more of a third tall. With Davis developing as a key defender, Potts will able to slot into the backline in a Bassett type role. This should also allow Otten to be freed up to play a more attacking role.

62. Collingwood – Sam Shaw
Had a good draft camp, and that should see him get drafted at some stage. Shaw is another one of those developing talls who could potentially play at both ends, although a defensive position would appear to be the best option for Shaw. Is an athletic player, although needs to put on a bit more weight. With Brown and Reid as young talls, Collingwood would be able to let him develop.

63. Western Bulldogs – Deon Gordon
Gordon is a half back from the NT, and his game is built around his excellent foot skills. And that is what should appeal to the Bulldogs. Plus he is creative when he does have the ball, and isn’t afraid to run the ball out of defence. He reminds me of Des Headland in the way he moves.

64. St Kilda – Dylan Jones
The Saints have good midfield depth, and the additions of Peake and Lovett only help. And despite picking Hill earlier in this round, I have them taking another tall here. Jones is an athletic ruckman, and he does cover the ground well. At 196cm, he might not ever become a #1 ruckman but I can see him being a handy player who could also go forward. And at this stage of the draft, that should be more than enough.

65. Geelong – Joseph Groenewegan
Rounding out the fourth round is another ruckman, this time from Tasmania. Groenewegan fits the ball of the modern day mobile ruckman, but will need time to develop. And with Ottens, Blake, West, Hawkins and Craig he will have plenty of time to develop.

 

[Chris25]

Just a basic explanation for these guys, the 5th round was really just to throw a few more names out there.

66. Melbourne – Luke Thompson
Tall defender, good athletically and likes to run the lines.

67. Richmond – Cameron Milne
Developing young ruckman from Tasmania. Will need time to develop, but is a good option in a draft lacking talls.

68. Fremantle – Cameron Kickett
Has played in the ruck at stages, but too short at AFL level. Provides good run off a wing, and is good in the air and at ground level. Bit of a project, but should be a good one.

69. Hawthorn – Zac Ledin
Solid midfielder, who wins plenty of the ball and generally good with his decision making and skills.

70. Hawthorn – Myles Sewell
Overage midfielder, who can play both defensive and attacking roles. Pretty similar to his brother.

71. West Coast – Tom Mackenzie
Versatile tall defender, can play on both smalls and talls.

72. Richmond – Kallan Geary
Hard running midfielder with decent skills, endurance is his greatest strength.

73. Hawthorn – Jordan Williams
Hard working midfielder/half back, who wins plenty of contested ball.

74. Essendon – Justin Bollenhagen
Medium sized midfielder with very good skills, strong hands and ability in traffic.

75. Carlton – Chaz Sargeant
Half forward with very good hands, younger and hopefully better version of Wiggins.

76. Brisbane Lions – Robbie Hicks
Very quick midfielder/small forward. The only thing Brisbane didn’t trade for.

77. Adelaide – Jack Hannath
Developing ruckman, even though I rate Adelaide’s ruckmen more than some others, they’ll still probably look at drafting another one.

78. Collingwood – Charlie McAdam
Small frame, but creative half back flanker.

79. Western Bulldogs – Byron Sumner
Quick small forward/midfielder, with good foot skills and penetration.

80. St Kilda – Scott Taylor
Taylor is more likely to go in the rookie draft, but I like him. Just a good solid inside midfielder.

81. Geelong – Daniel Archer
Geelong pick up their third Tasmanian, this time taking a tall forward.

I have no doubt there are a lot of players that I haven't mentioned. Both young and mature aged picks, and chances are most of these teams wont actually use their fifth round picks anyway. But I just thought I would name a few of the guys who are chances.

 

[Chris25]

Adelaide
Rohan
Carey
Ah Chee
Potts
Hannath

Brisbane
Bastinac
Astbury
Hicks

Carlton
Black
Pitt
Cowan
Sergeant

Collingwood
Thomas
Shaw
McAdam

Essendon
Jetta
Griffiths
Duncan
Gawn
Long
Bollenhagen

Fremantle
Morabito
Sheppard
Taylor
Houghton
Hutchings
Luff
Kickett

Geelong
Christensen
Craig
Kennedy
Smith
Davies
Groenewegan
Archer

Hawthorn
Wanganeen
Donaldson
Hartigan
Ledin
Sewell
Willaims

Melbourne
Scully
Trengove
Carlisle
Vardy
Winmar
McNeil
Thompson

North Melbourne
Cunnington
Fitzpatrick
Gysberts
Menzel
Dare
Norris

Port Adelaide
Tapscott
Panos
Stevens

Richmond
Martin
Moore
Reid
Hooper
Temel
Milne
Geary

St Kilda
Harwood
Hill
Jones
Taylor

Sydney
Butcher
Melksham
Bartlett
Tutt
Grimes

West Coast
Lucas
Fyfe
Colyer
Mackenzie

Western Bulldogs
Talia
Crichton
Gordon
Sumner

 

[Chris25]

Re: 2009 Phantom Draft - Version 2

I decided it would just be easier to start a new thread for Version 3 of my draft.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=643862

So feel free to continue with any criticism in there.

 

[Ferga18]

Luke Ball will be at Collingwood at pick 30 if he isnt already picked up before then.. thats what i believe will happen anyway

 

[Swans31]

I thought weston would have been in the mix, somewhere mid-late

 

[GrandBlue]

Re: Phantom Draft 2009 (Version 2)

Luke Ball will be at Collingwood if he gets through to pick 30 in the National Draft. Doesnt want to go to melbourne, and he knows if he wants to go to Collingwood National Draft is his only chance

For starters, he hasn't even submitted for the National Draft and I'm not including those types.

Get a clue !!! He isn't a defender. He is a forward !!! always was a forward !! only got games with the lions in defense because its hard to move Bradshaw or Brown to make way for him.

He is a key forward with 2 years development in him. Why would the blues go and draft another skinny forward to replace Fev when the have Hendo ready to step in and play 18-22 games from the goal square next season !

I think the blues might still draft a tall, but to say they are drafting a Fev replacment is just stupid and shows no knowledge of what they got during the trade week. Pretty sure Ratten even said they will be playing Hendo forward next year and are wrapped to get him to replace Fev. If they go tall, im pretty sure it will be a utility type that could go back or forward. Dont think Hendo has the speed to play defense and cover the leagues good forwards.

Did you even read the part where I clearly said "teams usually prefer settling with 2-3 tall KPFs"?, that was one of my main points you twat. I don't think Henderson will be a Fevola replacement, I think he'll play both defence and Center-Half forward whilst I believe they'll be selecting Carlisle as the lead-up full forward which was previously played by Fevola.

Just goes to show how terrible you are at reading others' posts, I bet you just read my first sentence and panicked.

 

[__aria__]

You put a ridiculous amount of effort into doing all these different versions of your Phantom Draft every few days and good on you for that.

However there has to be serious question marks on how much of these guys you have even seen considering some of the comments you make on them.

 

[GrandBlue]

I would have thought Jacob Thompson, Anton Woods or Steve McAllum would be selected. I thought they were pretty good.

 

[cp3_jr]

Another great effort and I am pretty satisfied from a Fremantle point of view. Would love to get the likes of Taylor and Hutchings to add to our squad after the second and third rds respectively.

Just wondering if you think Luff will last that long though as he is predicted to go third rd in many phantom drafts? Also wondering if you think Sheppard would be our choice over Black and Jetta if they were still there although I doubt that will happen.

This draft would free up Pav to play permanently forward again which would be good but I think we may draft another KPF at some stage to go along with Houghton.

 

[Chris25]

However there has to be serious question marks on how much of these guys you have even seen considering some of the comments you make on them.

I'm not going to pretend that I have seen everyone play, but I have done my best to get all the information that I could (videos, articles, games). The strength of my draft (I'd like to think) is more on what each club needs, and not the most in depth player reviews possible.

As for the comments, I focused only on the positives for each player. As nobody wants to hear the bad things about their new draftees...

 

[Notorious]

Luke Ball will be at Collingwood at pick 30 if he isnt already picked up before then.. thats what i believe will happen anyway

Pretty sure the dees would snaffle him up with 18.

 

[danielnajdek]

What about Clay Beams is he a chance of getting drafted? Would be very happy with Josh Thomas sounds like the kind of hard nut the pies need I also think he's Daynes mate and Dayne talked him into nominating for the draft instead of the Gold Coast picking him up

 

[cannons]

I'm not going to pretend that I have seen everyone play, but I have done my best to get all the information that I could (videos, articles, games). The strength of my draft (I'd like to think) is more on what each club needs, and not the most in depth player reviews possible.

As for the comments, I focused only on the positives for each player. As nobody wants to hear the bad things about their new draftees...

Very true.