Good question. I would have thought so but then you don't have to have a full rookie list so there might be some rule behind it.
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Rookies are not in salary cap (unless elevated to senior list during the year).
Probably list clogging if he is a pure ruckman but if he has shown an ability to play forward he could be an option - there has been some fans of his on this forum for a few years now so they may be able to shed some light on his forward ability.
The obvious hole in the list for mine is KPF with an ability to take a return in the ruck if needed - hopefully that is a focus with one of our two live picks.
The obvious hole in the list for mine is KPF with an ability to take a return in the ruck if needed - hopefully that is a focus with one of our two live picks.
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Sinclair is a good call.
Don't have faith long term that he will work out.
Buckley while I don't expect the club to delist would be my other choice.
Sinclair was emergency for Grand Final which would suggest he is ahead of Josh Thomas, Luke Rounds, Simon Buckley, John McCarthy, Brent Macaffer in the pecking order for a regular AFL position next year (excluding players who have only be on the senior list for one year).
That is why he is not discussed.
That is why he is not discussed.
That's true but then guys like Beams, Macaffer, Josh Thomas (maybe) probably would have been ahead of him if fully fit and and now Clarke plus the new guys and another year into Seedsman etc, bring back Brown and get Goldsack through a preseason, he could quite easily be behind all of them including all the guys who played in the GF.
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I don't see the qualities others seem to in Sinclair. I rate his fervour. Otherwise he is a limited football player. Even trying to think of a position or role for him short or long term is difficult. Maybe back pocket if Toovey had been moved on. But with list positions so tight I see Sinclair as an obvious candidate for delisting.
I would not mind seeing us recruit a player like Dean Galea. I think it would be really handy to have a player that can come in and fill a key forward role if required as depth. Even if he is a bit undersized. I also think our VFL team would benefit greatly from having an experienced KPF in the side.
I would not mind seeing us recruit a player like Dean Galea. I think it would be really handy to have a player that can come in and fill a key forward role if required as depth. Even if he is a bit undersized. I also think our VFL team would benefit greatly from having an experienced KPF in the side.
Does Galea keep getting mentioned because he was in the winning VFL side? I saw him play, he looked alright but I don't think he'd be AFL standard. I guess you can't be too sure with a guy like Pods doing it but I think he's unlikely to do much if he even got drafted.
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Agree on both fronts. Sinclair will probably be retained because by the end of the season he finished as that 25/26th player. But skills nothing great. Pace is good, and has hardness at the footy. But still skinny and I don't really see him breaking past what we have.
Currently have him down as a projected delisting for 2012 along Simon Buckley.
Galea I also consider a reasonable option. As a rookie presents that cover that Jack Perham couldn't. Is probably that little bit closer to that Jack Anthony quality cover and would be a suitable option, even if he is slightly limited. Presents strongly at the footy, plays that physical game, is strong overhead, plays bigger than he is and hits the scoreboard.
If we take him it might mean we can hold off on taking a KPF for one more year until we add James Stewart through F/S.
Chances are at 50 you're not going to get all that close to striking gold if you go for a KPF anyway.
Wouldn't mind Witts working with Galea as a forward next year as L.Brown was late this year. Is that big, agressive physical presence and might be able to help Jarrod use his height and size to even greater advantage.
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Playing in a winning side certainly helped. But his grand final for me anyway was a real standout with his physicality. Really played a great game and if he can hold up in VFL finals and perform in those big games, you can trust him to play for an AFL club if required.
Depth only. Would take him over O'Hailpin if given the choice and is younger.
Not someone you would want to build a forwardline around by any stretch of the imagination but probably the best key forward running around the state leagues in terms of what he can add in immediate production which is why he appeals. Would be the cheapest and best option who could fill in for a Dawes/Cloke if one was to miss some games.
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This is the thing. Even if we were to recruit a draft age KPF they would not be ready to go next year. If we aren't getting someone with plenty of upside we might as well just hold off a year. We need someone who can come in and play immediately if required if only to maintain our structures. Whether it is Galea or another recycled player. It would be very useful to at least have that option. It's a double win for me as I felt our VFL side lacked some experience especially in KP and I think bringing in a mature KPF would really help out our developing and inexperienced VFL side.
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Is be cautious of taking a kpf for the sake of it and I'm quietly confident witts can fill that role if needed.
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Yeah, Witts, Ceglar and even Keefe may be developed as that second ruck option and obviously up forward, so if we get to any of our picks in the draft, and their aren't any good key forward options, we should just draft on a "best left" type scenario.
If anything we may need key position defenders more then forwards down the track, as behind our senior core of tall defenders, we really don't have a group of young, developing defenders coming through.
If we are to draft tall, then draft defenders over forwards I say.
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Yeah, Witts, Ceglar and even Keefe may be developed as that second ruck option and obviously up forward, so if we get to any of our picks in the draft, and their aren't any good key forward options, we should just draft on a "best left" type scenario.
If anything we may need key position defenders more then forwards down the track, as behind our senior core of tall defenders, we really don't have a group of young, developing defenders coming through.
If we are to draft tall, then draft defenders over forwards I say.
But we have Back-Up with Key Defenders in Tarrant,Brown and Keeffe
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I'm talking more about 3-4 years down the track.
Tarrant won't be around for much longer, and we will lose Maxwell also in the next few seasons, and we have next to no young developing defenders (outside of Keefe).
It usually takes a KPP 2-3 years to crack into a senior side, so we should be recruiting young defenders now, other wise we will have to get our tall defenders through FA or trades, and top quality tall defenders are about the hardest thing to come by in the AFL.
Brown 23
Reid 22
Taz as back up
Keefe 22
Young 19
Rounds 20
And I see no reason why Hartley can't develop into a decent key defender and he's 18. As far as defence goes we have arguably the best group of any team in the league. So why would this area of the ground be a problem? I can't see the point of drafting young defenders to back up the young defenders who back up the young defenders.
Reid 22
Taz as back up
Keefe 22
Young 19
Rounds 20
And I see no reason why Hartley can't develop into a decent key defender and he's 18. As far as defence goes we have arguably the best group of any team in the league. So why would this area of the ground be a problem? I can't see the point of drafting young defenders to back up the young defenders who back up the young defenders.
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Thanks to the other 2 Posters I Forgot Hartley and he could be a Presti-Type FB
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If we're talking holes on the list it's a 6'2 or 6'3 strong overhead mobile 3rd tall forward. Defenders marking our forward 50 entries late in the season was driving me bonkers.
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No Young or Rounds please, they aren't, and never will be key defenders.
Yes, Hartley might come along, but that makes 2 backups then (Keefe and Hartley), and to me that makes it our weakest area, considering you probably need 3 senior playing key defenders, and then at least 3 to back them up in case of injuries/form/suspension.
You could argue our forward line is just as weak depth wise, but I think long term our backline will be more of a concern, but that's just my opinion after all.
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Young and Rounds are not Key Defenders. However you would put Hartley on that list as the club seems pretty keen on him.
If the current Key Defender list looks like this...
Tarrant 31
Brown 23
Reid 22
Maxwell 28
Backups
Goldsack (possibly) 23
Hartley 18
Keefe 22
In 4 years time it would look like (with only the current list)
Brown 27
Reid 26
Hartley 21
Keefe 26
Goldsack (possibly) 28
Comparing from now to future, we have 7 total KD and in 4 years time we'll have 5. Going by the current "formula" we'll have to draft 2 KD in the next 4 years, or only 1 since we played this year without Hartley.
If the current Key Defender list looks like this...
Tarrant 31
Brown 23
Reid 22
Maxwell 28
Backups
Goldsack (possibly) 23
Hartley 18
Keefe 22
In 4 years time it would look like (with only the current list)
Brown 27
Reid 26
Hartley 21
Keefe 26
Goldsack (possibly) 28
Comparing from now to future, we have 7 total KD and in 4 years time we'll have 5. Going by the current "formula" we'll have to draft 2 KD in the next 4 years, or only 1 since we played this year without Hartley.
You posted it, I'd say Young and Rounds are both young defenders as is Hartley.
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Rounds is 181 cm, Young is 191cm but his body structure and playing style sees him more of a rebounding medium sized defender.
Hartley is at 196cm.
Hartley is at 196cm.
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Yeah, Witts, Ceglar and even Keefe may be developed as that second ruck option and obviously up forward, so if we get to any of our picks in the draft, and their aren't any good key forward options, we should just draft on a "best left" type scenario.
If anything we may need key position defenders more then forwards down the track, as behind our senior core of tall defenders, we really don't have a group of young, developing defenders coming through.
If we are to draft tall, then draft defenders over forwards I say.
We have Tarrant, Reid, Brown, Keeffe and Hartley with players such as Maxwell to pinch hit if required. I don't think tall defenders is an issue with four of those guys still with plenty of footy before them. If we were worried about KPD at VFL level I would prefer we bring in an experienced key defender to help out like Coad - but VFL only.
Totally with you here. The beauty is that undersized marking forwards have a habit of slipping so there is every chance that we can pick up someone decent, or at least with upside and weapons, at pick 50.
