US textbook omits evolution

[CharacterFirst]

Prayer? That's what the church and the home are for. Not to have state - sanctioned indoctrination.

It's not state sanctioned in Aust. That is the whole point! So that it isn't state sanctioned OR STATE BANNED, religious faiths have access to teach their beliefs.

What humanistic atheists want, is to totally ban any "faiths" beliefs being expressed in any way - accept of course their beliefs of humanism!

Or they may be happy with removing the heart and soul of a faith, and presenting it as a dry, boring, irrelevant, choice among many or none. Just like Maths - lol.

 

[Mani]

Miller and Urey produced infinitely more in that reaction vessel than any theist has ever been able to produce.

Futile comparison really

Theism is essentially based upon a narrow devotion to an ancient text ie faith based (although to be fair there are Theists who try to philosophise the existence of God - even use mathematics to prove a God exists)

I am sure Urey and Miller had to have faith in that their glassware would not explode when they turned on the current, but eventually they needed reproducible and robust results.

 

[CharacterFirst]

Dear God,
Why do you allow so much child abuse and rape in churches?

Actually though, there is absolutely nothing that stops children bringing their bibles and praying in school....nothing.

What has stopped is forcing them to do so. That is what the creator of this shirt is really angry about.

There is in the states, which is the whole point. And also in Aust. I know of school that have banned Xians from gathering before school to pray in the court yard.

 

[bombermick]

No.

If you read thru the thread, you will see why, and also what I believe.

I have also given a link to a site which pretty much sums up my position, which is not a new one for Xians. In fact its over 1700 years old at least!

Which is? So I don't have to trawl through the whole thread.

Accusations that kids can't get to Jesus are insanity. Their parents can take them to church as much as they want, and can send them to very conservative universities like Liberty. In addition to that, they can watch Fox News where they can get their daily dose of why atheists are destroying Christmas.

Prayers at government schools are inappropriate because it's forcing one religion onto all. Unlike carols IMO, which is culture, rather than religion.

 

[CharacterFirst]

I thought it was 40%, either way it's an appalling statistic.

It's like saying the distance between Melbourne and Sydney is 3 feet. Not a trivial error.

Meh. 30+ % percent thing more than 25% of the pop is gay!

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...-no-idea-how-few-gay-people-there-are/257753/

 

[Illinois Nazi]

I don't understand evolution, and I want to protect my kids from understanding it too!

 

[CharacterFirst]

Which is? So I don't have to trawl through the whole thread.

If you don't read thru the thread, you don't know whats happening and why people say what they do.
You really need to do that if you want to enter into a proper discussion.

Here you are http://biologos.org/

Accusations that kids can't get to Jesus are insanity. Their parents can take them to church as much as they want, and can send them to very conservative universities like Liberty. In addition to that, they can watch Fox News where they can get their daily dose of why atheists are destroying Christmas.

Not really the point. Some are stopping kids from coming to Jesus by prohibiting his teaching, prayer etc in schools. He said they shouldn't. This is why Xians don't like it.

On top of that, some have the gall to turn around and blame a God they don't believe in, and who they have dismissed and want to do with, for the bad stuff that happens. Its like thanks Satan for all the good things!

Prayers at government schools are inappropriate because it's forcing one religion onto all. Unlike carols IMO, which is culture, rather than religion.

Well Carols are only "culture" b/c business has taken them over to make a buck!
Carols By Candlelight etc are a very modern thing, and are explicitly Xian. Channel nine and co just remove a lot of the Xian content, esp. the stuff kids love, and replace it with High % singing with Santa!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carols_by_Candlelight

 

[CharacterFirst]

I don't understand evolution, and I want to protect my kids from understanding it too!

You probably want them to gas Jews as well.

 

[CharacterFirst]

Futile comparison really

Theism is essentially based upon a narrow devotion to an ancient text ie faith based (although to be fair there are Theists who try to philosophise the existence of God - even use mathematics to prove a God exists)

I am sure Urey and Miller had to have faith in that their glassware would not explode when they turned on the current, but eventually they needed reproducible and robust results.

What did Urey and MillER "prove" exactly?

 

[Illinois Nazi]

You probably want them to gas Jews as well.

It's the Christian thing to do!

 

[Mani]

What did Urey and MillER "prove" exactly?

You mean you haven't read their original peer reviewed scientific articles?

What I suggest that you do is get hold of the first article they published and sit down and read it. You can also obtained summaries of their work in from numerous other sources - both online and from your local library.

See how you get on - Get back to me by the middle of next year - I will be around until then

cheers

 

[Mani]

There is in the states, which is the whole point. And also in Aust. I know of school that have banned Xians from gathering before school to pray in the court yard.

Why do Jews reject Christianity?

 

[CharacterFirst]

It's the Christian thing to do!

Nope. The Nazi thing to do, along with executing Xians.


Quotes Establishing Hitler's Non-Christianity

Hitler may in public have claimed to be doing the will of God, but records of his private conversations show otherwise. Many of these were recorded by his secretary and published in a book called Hitler's Table Talk (Adolf Hitler, London, Weidenfeld & Nicholson, 1953).
Night of 11th-12th July, 1941
"National Socialism and religion cannot exist together....

• • • 
      

"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity....

• • • 
      

"Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things." (p 6 & 7)

10th October, 1941, midday
"Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure." (p 43)

14th October, 1941, midday
"The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity....

• • • 
      

"Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse....

• • • 
      

"...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little....

• • • 
      

"Christianity <is> the liar....

• • • 
      

"We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State." (p 49-52)

 

[CharacterFirst]

You mean you haven't read their original peer reviewed scientific articles?

What I suggest that you do is get hold of the first article they published and sit down and read it. You can also obtained summaries of their work in from numerous other sources - both online and from your local library.

See how you get on - Get back to me by the middle of next year - I will be around until then

cheers

lol.

 

[CharacterFirst]

Why do Jews reject Christianity?

not all do.

 

[Pie eyed]

You do realize, that "the problem of evil" as an argument against God, is almost universally rejected by the entire philosophical world, don't you? The problem of evil just does not disprove God as a orthodox Xian understands him.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...-no-idea-how-few-gay-people-there-are/257753/

Nearly two years I have been waiting for the promised "standard of proof." But nothing from you PE.

HUH?

 

[CharacterFirst]

HUH?

You promised you would get back to me on a standard of proof - ie what it would take for you to believe in God. I have reminded you a few times - but nothing.

 

[CharacterFirst]

You do realize, that "the problem of evil" as an argument against God, is almost universally rejected by the entire philosophical world, don't you? The problem of evil just does not disprove God as a orthodox Xian understands him.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...-no-idea-how-few-gay-people-there-are/257753/

Wrong link!
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/evil/

 

[Sydney Bloods]

Nope. The Nazi thing to do, along with executing Xians.


Quotes Establishing Hitler's Non-Christianity

Hitler may in public have claimed to be doing the will of God, but records of his private conversations show otherwise. Many of these were recorded by his secretary and published in a book called Hitler's Table Talk (Adolf Hitler, London, Weidenfeld & Nicholson, 1953).
Night of 11th-12th July, 1941
"National Socialism and religion cannot exist together....

• • • 
      

"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity....

• • • 
      

"Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things." (p 6 & 7)

10th October, 1941, midday
"Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure." (p 43)

14th October, 1941, midday
"The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity....

• • • 
      

"Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse....

• • • 
      

"...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little....

• • • 
      

"Christianity <is> the liar....

• • • 
      

"We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State." (p 49-52)

Don't take this the wrong way but, when it comes to supposed quotes from nazis you should be very sceptical.....very sceptical indeed.

In fact most the quotes attributed to the nazis are often baseless propaganda see Hitler/Goebbels: "Truth is the Enemy of the State", always makes me chuckle when people use that one.

 

[CharacterFirst]

Don't take this the wrong way but, when it comes to supposed quotes from nazis you should be very sceptical.....very sceptical indeed.

In fact most the quotes attributed to the nazis are often baseless propaganda see Hitler/Goebbels: "Truth is the Enemy of the State", always makes me chuckle when people use that one.

Exactly! Which is these were the "off the record: quotes rather than the propaganda of the 3rd R.
It also goes both ways, when people try to paint Hitler as a Xian. Couldn't be further from Jesus if you tried.

 

[Pie eyed]

That

It's not state sanctioned in Aust. That is the whole point! So that it isn't state sanctioned OR STATE BANNED, religious faiths have access to teach their beliefs.

What humanistic atheists want, is to totally ban any "faiths" beliefs being expressed in any way - accept of course their beliefs of humanism!

Or they may be happy with removing the heart and soul of a faith, and presenting it as a dry, boring, irrelevant, choice among many or none. Just like Maths - lol.

That's a load of rubbish and you know it.
Do you want a tissue you poor repressed thing you?
The Government hands out millions of dollars and gifts hundreds of millions in land to religions of all kinds.
They allow designated religious classes in all government schools for those who want it.

What you are actually whining about is that you want Religion taught as science or an alternative to science, which religion is not.

 

[bombermick]

If you don't read thru the thread, you don't know whats happening and why people say what they do.
You really need to do that if you want to enter into a proper discussion.

Here you are http://biologos.org/

That site raises more questions than answers. If God used evolution, then the fall of man wasn't what brought death into the world. Furthermore, when do we reach man? Is it Homo Sapien? Erectus?

As much as I think creationism is a load of rubbish, it's at least consistent. Otherwise, when does the bible become fact?

Not really the point. Some are stopping kids from coming to Jesus by prohibiting his teaching, prayer etc in schools. He said they shouldn't. This is why Xians don't like it.

On top of that, some have the gall to turn around and blame a God they don't believe in, and who they have dismissed and want to do with, for the bad stuff that happens. Its like thanks Satan for all the good things!

How are his teachings prohibited? In Australia and NZ, RE is widespread, with no other religion allowed into our schools. Chaplins are also in schools, although they are not there to win souls. They are state schools, not places where churches can preach to children too young to make up their minds.

[/quote]

Well Carols are only "culture" b/c business has taken them over to make a buck!
Carols By Candlelight etc are a very modern thing, and are explicitly Xian. Channel nine and co just remove a lot of the Xian content, esp. the stuff kids love, and replace it with High % singing with Santa!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carols_by_Candlelight

True to an extent, but Christmas is a part of western culture, regardless of people's religiosity. I don't see why Christianity should have advantages over other religions, save for the natural advantages of it been part of our culture. Besides, it's no longer a Christian country, if it ever was.

 

[Sydney Bloods]

Exactly! Which is these were the "off the record: quotes rather than the propaganda of the 3rd R.
It also goes both ways, when people try to paint Hitler as a Xian. Couldn't be further from Jesus if you tried.

There's no doubt that he wasn't very Christian in how the thought or acted, i merely pointing out that many People claim the nazis said things when there's absolutely no evidence that actually did.

 

[Mani]

not all do.

But isn't Jewishness a religion? THat is a person who follows the TOrah or Old Testament?

On this basis being a Jew is a personal religious conviction like being Christian or a muslim

 

[Niximus]

There is in the states, which is the whole point. And also in Aust. I know of school that have banned Xians from gathering before school to pray in the court yard.

Sauce?