An AFL coach who has never played the game?

[raffrox]

John Todd and John Cahill never played AFL football.

John Todd beat Polly Farmer for the Sandover as a 17 year old. I'd consider that as "playing AFL". I think he went ok.

Not to open a can of worms but seriously people are going specify that you have to have played VFL to be a good coach?

 

[greatgatsby]

That's why they sucked.

John Todd won a Sandover Medal at 17 then did his knee. Would have been a champ in the VFL.

 

[I am Jack]

John Todd won a Sandover Medal at 17 then did his knee. Would have been a champ in the VFL.

Woulda, coulda, shoulda... But didn't.

He sucked ok.

 

[raffrox]

Woulda, coulda, shoulda... But didn't.

He sucked ok.

Huh? Dead set fool or ignorant tool.

Take your choice.

 

[I am Jack]

Huh? Dead set fool or ignorant tool.

Take your choice.

* Note: Reported.

 

[raffrox]

* Note: Reported.

Care factor.

Just no time for trolls and or ignorant people.

Todd had more courage and skill in his little finger than you would ever have.

 

[estibador]

Wasnt Rick Charlesworth (think that was his name) an assistant coach at Freo after being head coach for the hokeyroos ???

I think his official title was 'high performance manager'.

 

[catman 71]

Caoches who never played AFL to my knowledge in living memory have not won a premiership or had a 2nd club of employment as a senior coach.

Except Neil Craig's stint for half a season at Melbourne, so, technically, he has coached two AFL teams.

 

[Wright Away]

Neil Craig was a very good football player.

* Note: Reported.

Try being more of a flog??

 

[fabulousphil]

John Todd beat Polly Farmer for the Sandover as a 17 year old. I'd consider that as "playing AFL". I think he went ok.

Not to open a can of worms but seriously people are going specify that you have to have played VFL to be a good coach?

fair enough, i was probably answering the question (OP) a tad pedanticly.

 

[*Paul*]

Happens all the time in other sports.

I don't know for sure, but it's possible Alan Jones, not only didn't play rugby league at any level, but had no involvement in the game right up until he was appointed coach of Balmain in 1990. Unsurprisingly, not a success.

 

[RUNVS]

This is something I have never understood either. You do not get race car drivers to design cars, you do not get actors to write scripts so why is it that great players are given such a leg up in becoming senior coaches. Playing the game really well and understanding/adapting to the tactics of the game (as well as managing a list) are two completely different things so to me a great player is probably no more suited to be a coach than any other person with a reasonable understanding of the game.

 

[Shoei]

Woulda, coulda, shoulda... But didn't.

He sucked ok.

700+ games Coached
6 WAFL premierships from 7 Grand finals
Coached the Eagles to finals in his first season incharge
Inducted into the AFL and Western Australian Hall of Fame as a Coach

Yeah sucked real bad.

 

[mulz]

Woulda, coulda, shoulda... But didn't.

He sucked ok.

john cahill played 264 games for port, then coached them to 10 premierships, also played plenty of state games.
ports b&f medal is named after him,

you suck!

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

probably don't see it in our game because the media and the players themselves won't allow. Not all, but I reckon most wouldn't have the mentality or maturity to accept someone who hasn't, 'been there and done that'.

 

[Dixie Flatline]

Happens all the time in other sports. Dont know why theres still the idea that you must have played the game to be a good coach/manager at it.

Tottenham's and Fulham's managers in the English Premier league , Avram Grant and Andre Villas-boas, never played professionally.

1994 World cup winning manager with Brazil ,CARLOS ALBERTO PARREIRA, never played professionally.

“I never realised that in order to become a jockey you have to have been a horse first.”

I don't think Jose Mourinho played top flight football either, but I could be wrong.

 

[Ebert80]

Neil Craig was a very good football player.




Try being more of a flog??

As was Cahill a very good footballer.

Its irrelevant that they didnt play in yhe VFL during their playing careers.

 

[TBoyleSuperstar]

This is something I have never understood either. You do not get race car drivers to design cars, you do not get actors to write scripts so why is it that great players are given such a leg up in becoming senior coaches. Playing the game really well and understanding/adapting to the tactics of the game (as well as managing a list) are two completely different things so to me a great player is probably no more suited to be a coach than any other person with a reasonable understanding of the game.

I guess this is why not all players go in to coaching. Also, some actors do eventually go behind the camera and direct, produce etc films.

Some players have a strong affinity with the game and have a strong understanding of it, and this is why they will be better placed to coach.

 

[CF]

If we can include assistant coaches currently Geelong have Dale Amos who never played AFL football and made his name in the South Barwon league where he won three flags with the swans as a player, then coached them to 3 flags. Became our VFL coach initially but when Sando left he stepped into the assistant coaches role for the AFL team and hasn't looked back.

 

[RUNVS]

I guess this is why not all players go in to coaching. Also, some actors do eventually go behind the camera and direct, produce etc films.

Some players have a strong affinity with the game and have a strong understanding of it, and this is why they will be better placed to coach.

But why do I get the feeling that coaches like Voss, Hird and Buckley all got their jobs because they were great players and loved by their respective clubs and no other reason.

 

[TBoyleSuperstar]

But why do I get the feeling that coaches like Voss, Hird and Buckley all got their jobs because they were great players and loved by their respective clubs and no other reason.

All were very very good leaders of their clubs, all very good football minds, all did a lot of coaching and instructing out on the field. We also don't see what they are like behind closed doors.

 

[RUNVS]

All were very very good leaders of their clubs, all very good football minds, all did a lot of coaching and instructing out on the field. We also don't see what they are like behind closed doors.

Both Voss and Hird spent no time as an assistant coach before being appointed senior coach and Buckley was only an assistant for a few years and was arguably promoted before he was ready.

 

[RedLegs#5]

Damian Barrett thinks he's a coach.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

This is something I have never understood either. You do not get race car drivers to design cars, you do not get actors to write scripts so why is it that great players are given such a leg up in becoming senior coaches. Playing the game really well and understanding/adapting to the tactics of the game (as well as managing a list) are two completely different things so to me a great player is probably no more suited to be a coach than any other person with a reasonable understanding of the game.

Sir Jack Brabham won the world F1 title in a Brabham and Affleck and Matt Damon wrote the screenplay for Good Will Hunting and won an Oscar for it.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

I think his official title was 'high performance manager'.

Since he was an ex-Shield cricketer too I remember them having him on the cricket broadcast once and they were talking tactics. Ric suggested that in one dayers, if you had a top order batsmen in who was scoring slowly that you should deliberately try not to get him out and also let him have the strike. The other commentators were like, 'WTF ' I thought it was great, logical thinking.