No Oppo Supporters General AFL and other clubs discussion thread. **Opposition fans not welcome**

[Thaihawk]

I knew the minute I typed it
Spud wise - he is a beer battered chip
Me

Thanks for taking my "tongue in cheek: comment is the fashion it was meant. Good luck to yoe and the Hawks for the rest of 2014, CP.

 

[QuietB]

I am a Nick Maxwell fan. No matter how you spin he has been a very good player. I could name a player or two that if they played with Maxwell's desperation and intent the Hawks might have won another premiership. Not everyone can have Scott Pendelbury's skills but there are a lot of things Maxwell did for that team that Pendlebury will never do.

 

[Rushed_Behind]

I am a Nick Maxwell fan. No matter how you spin he has been a very good player. I could name a player or two that if they played with Maxwell's desperation and intent the Hawks might have won another premiership. Not everyone can have Scott Pendelbury's skills but there are a lot of things Maxwell did for that team that Pendlebury will never do.

I agree with this sentiment. The whole league is made up of about 40-50 elite to very good players, 60-70 kids with elite potential(but probably half only make it to elite while the rest become good players) and the rest all make it due to different skills or character traits they possess.

Most flogs on BF compare Maxwell to Ablett when assessing he is a spud, but it's unfair comparing anyone to Ablett. Maxwell gave everything to Collingwood in mind and body and made them a better team, and for me you can't ask for any more than that.

 

[TBoyleSuperstar]

Now Dom cassisi gone. Big week for retirements this week.

Good player, hard as a cats head and gave his all. Like the other two retirees this week, did the team things and a lot of things that went un-noticed by those outside the club.

 

[TBoyleSuperstar]

I agree with this sentiment. The whole league is made up of about 40-50 elite to very good players, 60-70 kids with elite potential(but probably half only make it to elite while the rest become good players) and the rest all make it due to different skills or character traits they possess.

Most flogs on BF compare Maxwell to Ablett when assessing he is a spud, but it's unfair comparing anyone to Ablett. Maxwell gave everything to Collingwood in mind and body and made them a better team, and for me you can't ask for any more than that.

Disagree. No one on earth would compare Maxwell to Ablett.

I think the biggest knock on Maxwell as he was primarily played well when able to run free and be third man up. When he actually had to man up, he struggled. But hey, he's played 200+ more games of AFL than I have, so good luck to him.

 

[Prudster]

Disagree. No one on earth would compare Maxwell to Ablett.

I think the biggest knock on Maxwell as he was primarily played well when able to run free and be third man up. When he actually had to man up, he struggled. But hey, he's played 200+ more games of AFL than I have, so good luck to him.

I think this is one of the dumbest things that gets bandied around about Maxwell. I mean, just think about it, for a guy who can read the play well, why wouldn't he play better when he doesn't have to chase around an opponent. Imagine if Ablett had to tag the best midfielder on the other team. I can almost guarantee his numbers would drop.

 

[Off The Couch]

I think we have a bloke called Hodge who has been used regularly as a third man up - what a spud

 

[Brishawk]

I think this is one of the dumbest things that gets bandied around about Maxwell. I mean, just think about it, for a guy who can read the play well, why wouldn't he play better when he doesn't have to chase around an opponent. Imagine if Ablett had to tag the best midfielder on the other team. I can almost guarantee his numbers would drop.

I think the thing that annoys most people is that he was given an AA gig for it when plenty of others are better and more deserving. The media then tried to claim he was some sort of great defender when he was just a good role player. It has nothing to do with Maxwell the player but it does affect people's opinion of him. Lumumba was probably the worst AA ever but Maxwell is not that much better. 200 games is a great effort from a solid player with no particular standout qualities (save for leadership?).

 

[TBoyleSuperstar]

I think this is one of the dumbest things that gets bandied around about Maxwell. I mean, just think about it, for a guy who can read the play well, why wouldn't he play better when he doesn't have to chase around an opponent. Imagine if Ablett had to tag the best midfielder on the other team. I can almost guarantee his numbers would drop.

Brian Lake reads the play well, he plays on someone. Again, no idea why you are putting Maxwell in the same sentence as Ablett. Remember, the guy is a defender, it's kind of crucial that you can beat an opponent one on one more often than not. For a defender, one of the biggest knocks on him were that he struggled one on one. For us, Hodge, Gibson etc can and do beat players regularly one on one.

As I've said, the guy played more AFL games than I have or will ever play, and he's a premiership captain so he's done very well for himself.

 

[hawkeye77]

I think we have a bloke called Hodge who has been used regularly as a third man up - what a spud

Add Gibson to that, plays a similar role to Maxwell for us and we love him. Maxwell was a more than solid player for the Pies.

 

[Prudster]

I think the thing that annoys most people is that he was given an AA gig for it when plenty of others are better and more deserving. The media then tried to claim he was some sort of great defender when he was just a good role player. It has nothing to do with Maxwell the player but it does affect people's opinion of him. Lumumba was probably the worst AA ever but Maxwell is not that much better. 200 games is a great effort from a solid player with no particular standout qualities (save for leadership?).

I will admit, i don't remember who else was a worthy selection that year, but i have no problem with someone playing Maxwell's role getting AA. He improved the Collingwood back line significantly, and helped to keep dick heads like Heath Shaw in line. That could be just as big an impact as keeping KPF's quiet, or getting 30 disposals off half back.

Brian Lake reads the play well, he plays on someone. Again, no idea why you are putting Maxwell in the same sentence as Ablett. Remember, the guy is a defender, it's kind of crucial that you can beat an opponent one on one more often than not. For a defender, one of the biggest knocks on him were that he struggled one on one. For us, Hodge, Gibson etc can and do beat players regularly one on one.

As I've said, the guy played more AFL games than I have or will ever play, and he's a premiership captain so he's done very well for himself.

Brian Lake doesn't have anywhere near the third man up impact that Maxwell was having during his peak. Even guys like Hodge and Gibson, at times they have no opponent, or are put on some crappy forward who probably isn't going to kick a bag anyway. Also, i disagree that beating an opponent one on one is crucial to you being a good defender, especially when your actions make the rest of your defence significantly better.

I'm not comparing him to Ablett in the sense of who is better, simply looking at the role. If Ablett was more defensively accountable, he wouldn't have as much offensive impact. Similarly, if Maxwell were more defensively accountable on an individual opponent, it would detract from his ability to be third man up, and influence the contests involving his teammates. The exact same thing is true for Hodge, or Gibson, or anyone. Besides, i think the amount of time Maxwell was a loose man is overstated anyway. Guys like Hodge or Maxwell have an ability to judge the play and run off their opponent (or let their opponent get sucked up the field), which makes them look loose, when in reality they are just ensuring they are in position to influence the contest.

 

[hfc70]

Heard D.Swan has a 'convenient' foot injury.

Wish him well in his recovery

 

[The BIG X]

Heard D.Swan has a 'convenient' foot injury.

Wish him well in his recovery

Just put that to a Pies supporter - not appreciated

 

[cryptor]

Heard D.Swan has a 'convenient' foot injury.

Wish him well in his recovery

The shipwreck that is my Supercoach team weeps.

 

[Bumpswithagrin]

I liked Nick Maxwell too. Was fairly ambivalent about him until I heard him regularly on SEN. Just seemed to be a decent, down to earth bloke, with absolutely no tickets on himself given the fact that he was an AFL footballer. Would regularly answer questions about the nuts and bolts of being an AFL player (things about training, coaching, tactics, off field committments etc.) in an interesting yet humble way. Yes, was only an average footballer but was solid and dependable and I reckon he was worth his weight in gold at Collingwood where there are some high maintenance players!

 

[Paul Kersey]

Maxwell seems a decent bloke. Captained his club and played 200+ games = not a mug.

 

[QuietB]

I think the thing that annoys most people is that he was given an AA gig for it when plenty of others are better and more deserving. The media then tried to claim he was some sort of great defender when he was just a good role player. It has nothing to do with Maxwell the player but it does affect people's opinion of him. Lumumba was probably the worst AA ever but Maxwell is not that much better. 200 games is a great effort from a solid player with no particular standout qualities (save for leadership?).

And Gibbo will never get one

 

[Pessimistic]

Danger looks like a young grandad on TFS.

If you look a bit grandaddy, dont go the grandad suit

 

[Pessimistic]

Reiwoldt on TFS talking about eddie trying to get him to the pies

Is there anyone eddie hasnt had a go at ? If you think about it hes been specatularly unnsuceessful (jolly and ball aside)

Maybe he would have served the pies better getting recruiting staff to do that stuff, eddies obviously no good


Also, what is about st nick which makes you think hes as false as can be,

Makes all the right noises, says the right words but we all know the clubs been a rabble with him as captain

 

[Bumpswithagrin]

Dangerfield, Reiwoldt... I thought Lake was going to be on (I am not watching, can't stand the show).

 

[Glasgow Hawk]

Dangerfield, Reiwoldt... I thought Lake was going to be on (I am not watching, can't stand the show).

He is on the panel with Dangerfield.
Riewoldt was on as a special guest..

 

[Hawks1994]

Reiwoldt on TFS talking about eddie trying to get him to the pies

Is there anyone eddie hasnt had a go at ? If you think about it hes been specatularly unnsuceessful (jolly and ball aside)

Maybe he would have served the pies better getting recruiting staff to do that stuff, eddies obviously no good


Also, what is about st nick which makes you think hes as false as can be,

Makes all the right noises, says the right words but we all know the clubs been a rabble with him as captain

Bit harsh on him I reckon. Not his fault that the recruiting staff and other coaching staff haven't done their job properly.

Riewoldt is a champion player and a great captain

 

[Rioli magic]

Apparently Tippet's first tweet in a couple of years, then gets told.



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. @KurtTippett8 surprised you're not promoting some kind of Cola.

 

[Off The Couch]

Do they have to declare gifts to the ATO and does this constitute a third party deal

 

[IdiotBox]

Do they have to declare gifts to the ATO and does this constitute a third party deal

Could this be the smoking gun that brings down their entire filthy conniving house of cards?
Remember, it was the tax office that brought down Al Capone!