Past #24: Levi Greenwood - officially traded to Collingwood FC for pick 25 (2014) - retires rd16 2021 due to concussion symptoms - go well Pig

[Mr_Nyah]

**** the DERP has kicked up a few notches here in the last hour.

Please post more, otherwise I'm left to read niko11 and smoother...

 

[kangaspurs]

So do you believe every list manager in the AFL gets it right 100% of the time?

If not, then odds are people on forums who disagree with the AFL list managers might actually get it right some of the time.

The point was that people ignore facts in favour of assuming one thing or another to suit their own argument/agenda and in the end just make stuff up. Sure sometimes they get it wrong, but the facts in this case point to the opposite. Many posters on here assume they know better than the people that are paid to make these decisions, but they don't and it's disrespectful to those people. If they did know better they would have a job at an AFL club.

 

[Zondor]

Hmm just read the transcript of Pickering. Might've been diplomatic but I agree with those who thought it was pretty damning.

We stuffed this up. Before the "club is always right" brigade protest, don't tell me that losing a guy hitting his physical peak who missed winning our B&F by 2 votes in a top 4 year was part of the plan.

We fluffed this up badly and the onus is on the club to drive hard and get appropriate compensation without being intimidated by Collingwood.

Yep. Walshy's shut up and sign your contract didn't go down too well with Levi. :stern look

 

[Zondor]

The point was that people ignore facts in favour of assuming one thing or another to suit their own argument/agenda and in the end just make stuff up. Sure sometimes they get it wrong, but the facts in this case point to the opposite. Many posters on here assume they know better than the people that are paid to make these decisions, but they don't and it's disrespectful to those people. If they did know better they would have a job at an AFL club.

Yeah thanks Geoff. :stern look

 

[MJP26]

Shattered. Yes. But paying him overs would have been bad player management down the track. The club knew this and that is why it has happened. This is why we got blokes like Geoff Walsh back to the club, been around a while and knows his stuff.

I still think we clearly dropped the ball on this one.

We have too many "favourite" fringe players in our side that could have been chopped, to help us get Levi over the line. The likes of Jacobs, Patch, McKenzie, Basti and even Blacky were gifted games when they should have been out at Nth Ballarat and Werribee. We then go and re-sign two old farts (Grima and Spud) but failed to secure our best ball winner.

Obviously the contract process (initially 1 year, then 1+1, then 2, then 3 years...) only but reinforced to Levi that he was being dikked around and not overly valued at his club. Along came two other clubs telling him they love him (and back it up with 4 years and $$$$$). His manager Pickers made mention of this on SEN.

I know how I'd feel if this happened to me.

 

[AGC]

I've already cleaned my hands of him. He wants to piss off to effing Collingwood, let him.

Collingwood will stiff us, we lose-lose-lose.

Hope people have backpedalled on the "we are a destination club" rubbish now. We wouldn't have this if we were.

I liked it better when you just liked stuff...

Any chance you can just be positive? Sydney has been one of the most successful clubs in recent years at recruiting people. Do they suddenly become less of a 'destination club' because their AA defender left for more cash? We've proven we're a destination club - the addition of quality players and the prospect that we can add players in the future is exactly why Levi has left. You can't pay everyone, and if someone wants to go searching for more opportunities and cash that we don't feel is warranted, let them.

I love the clubs stance here.

 

[Dirty_11]

Initial offer should have been more. Agreed. Wouldn't have thought that would have made him stay. Paying players overs can bite you in the arse down the track when similar players are up for re signing. Unfortunately cannot pay everone overs. Spud and Narni both signed one year deals, probably for not too much either. Both played pretty important roles this year.

 

[V9x18]

Shattered. Yes. But paying him overs would have been bad player management down the track. The club knew this and that is why it has happened. This is why we got blokes like Geoff Walsh back to the club, been around a while and knows his stuff.

Instead you give Higgins 1.6 mil over 4 years?

 

[Flawed Genius]

Pickering said, and it might've been missed, that we offered, in order, 1 year with a 1 year trigger, 2 years with a 1 year trigger, and finally 3 years.

 

[Flawed Genius]

Anyone else find it fitting that the picture used of Levi on the North website doesn't show him wearing the colours?

 

[Dugdale2Dwyer]

Pickering said, and it might've been missed, that we offered, in order, 1 year with a 1 year trigger, 2 years with a 1 year trigger, and finally 3 years.

Sounds like that was the trigger for him to leave.

 

[CharlieMortdecai]

Instead you give Higgins 1.6 mil over 4 years?

We've got a plethora of inside mids. Hence Higgins has more value to us to meet a need. As a RFA extra salary is the price we pay for not having to trade.

Losing Beams and Ball, Greenwood has a lot more value to the Pies than he does to us.

 

[GarnerSmash]

Instead you give Higgins 1.6 mil over 4 years?

Dude, with restricted FA you gotta pay to get your man. We go with $300K for Higgins and Dogs do the same, then he stays.

But that's beside the point. We have the cap space to match the Pies offer. But we don't value Greenwood to that amount and for that length. We start being held to ransom by players now then we can kiss goodbye to a strategy of keeping a core together at a reasonable cost, ala Geelong.

 

[Flawed Genius]

But that's beside the point. We have the cap space to match the Pies offer. But we don't value Greenwood to that amount and for that length. We start being held to ransom by players now then we can kiss goodbye to a strategy of keeping a core together at a reasonable cost, ala Geelong.

I have to make this my signature.

 

[GarnerSmash]

I have to make this my signature.

It'll cost ya.

 

[Flawed Genius]

It'll cost ya.

I'll shout the next coffees?

 

[Dirty_11]

Instead you give Higgins 1.6 mil over 4 years?

Sounds hypercritical but you always have to pay overs to get players to the club. Levi and the Pies are the perfect example of this. It's the way it works. Our initial offer at years end should have been better but you have to draw a line somewhere. Big $ from the Pies though. Just no September action.

 

[chubbspeterson]

It's ok guys, we're gonna need Levi's money to give to LMac over the next few years.

 

[TwentyNine]

It's ok guys, we're gonna need Levi's money to give to Dangerfield

EFA

 

[Flawed Genius]

It's ok guys, we're gonna need Levi's money to give to LMac over the next few years.

Difference being Luke will NEVER **** this club over and ask to go elsewhere.

 

[Only Forwards]

Difference being Luke will NEVER **** this club over and ask to go elsewhere.

Forever and ever amen.

 

[LeFtBehinD]

Dude, with restricted FA you gotta pay to get your man. We go with $300K for Higgins and Dogs do the same, then he stays.

But that's beside the point. We have the cap space to match the Pies offer. But we don't value Greenwood to that amount and for that length. We start being held to ransom by players now then we can kiss goodbye to a strategy of keeping a core together at a reasonable cost, ala Geelong.

/end thread

Seriously though sad to see him go, but really happy with the clubs strong stance here, assuming we get a good deal. I'm hoping they can work it into a three way with Brisbane. Picks 25 and 28 (whatever it works out to be) or 25 and Merrett would be great for us.

 

[Rooboy 96]

Interesting this...I think this is right ...not 100%
Players who are not in the top 25 per cent of salaries at their club are eligible for unrestricted free agency if they have served at least eight years with the club.
Greenwood wouldnt be in top 25% (Or would he?)
And he debuted in 2008 so its his 7th year.
I stand to be corrected

so is Greenwood a FA in 4 years?

 

[justroyal]

MERRET WOULD NOT ****ING BE GREAT FOR US!

 

[Johndory]

It's pretty clear what has happened here.. Levi hates brad scott for not playing him all these years and has now got his revenge on brad by walking out for an extra 50k. So be it, i think it could work out for us anyway.

Looking at the pies list there's not too much that suits us in terms of a player trade. Obviously we'd trade for Elliot or Keeffe but i doubt they would. Josh Thomas and a pick exchange could work but if collingwood can offer us a pick around early 20's we should take it and head to the draft and hope Nakia slides to our first available pick and select him with the early 20's pick as backup to fill our specific needs.