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Is there something in that they've come close but never won (2005 excepted) though?
The Premiership Standard - 100pts for, 86 pts against
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Nat Fyfe will have to kick 4-5 goals on GF day if they make it for them to win, I can't see that Freo side dominating the Swans/Hawks or the Pies on the G... Pavlich is shadow of what he was and Mayne is hardly the key target that will win them a premiership, they will have to rely on Walters and Ballantyne to carry them through September. GOOD LUCK
Lucky to get within a point really, we dominated that game and as usual kept you in it by poor goal kicking, granted you guys missed some easy shot's too, but it seemed like we were in control for majority of it.
Looks like Hawthorn is in the mix for the three-peat. But I just have a hard time accepting the idea of West Coast making the grand final (but of course these statistics are about premiers, not all grand finalists). It'd be interesting to see another Hawthorn/Fremantle grand final.
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If he'd kicked straight in 2013 he would have.
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Its more than that numbnuts.
It is providing a upper/lower limit for attack and defence, or acceptable range for a premier to a significant degree.
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He is our 06 Banfield, obviously for this discussion, but also, they both were mids in their first premiership side, and then went to the small defender role, it is Sams destiny!!
2012 team also had LRT, Jude Bolton and O'Keefe from 2005
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Plus Ted Richards, and a couple of guys from the '06 loss.
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I don't buy into this bullshit about Ross Lyon's style of coaching being unsuited to win premierships. He has been one of the unluckiest coaches in AFL history.
The Saints did everything right in 2009 - they had a magnificent season, but met a determined & brilliant Geelong team and just failed to win a desperately close Grand Final. Scores were level entering time-on when Zac Dawson left his man and made a sensational spoil. But the ball unluckily ricocheted to Scarlett, then Ablett, then Chapman. There was just one kick in it when Rooke kicked an unnecessary goal after the siren to make the final margin 12 points.
St Kilda would've won that game had Schneider and Milne not choked in front of goal. Between them, they kicked 2.5 and blew a few more chances. Hawkins was awarded a goal when it clearly hit the post. Plus the weather conditions totally suited Geelong. That was probably the biggest factor of all. The Saints had played 80% of their home & away games indoors that year at Etihad. On Grand Final day, they had to adapt to wind and rain. Their chances weren't helped either when their two best players of '09, Riewoldt and Goddard both received heavy knocks and played well below their best.
Nobody gave the Saints much of a chance in 2010. The Pies were dominant that year and controlled the 1st half of the Grand Final. But St Kilda ran all over Collingwood in the second half and were dead unlucky not to pinch the game. Had the ball bounced truly for Milne, the Saints would've won the flag, Ross Lyon would've been hailed a hero and Malthouse would've been laughed at by everyone as a million dollar flop with 2 flags in 30 years.
Fremantle were also unlucky in 2013. They did an awful lot right that season. They were an excellent team who just happened to run into a slightly better team who were playing on their favourite patch. Once again, the windy, rainy conditions didn't suit Ross Lyon's team. Thy had plenty of chances, but missed a lot of set shots because they weren't accustomed to the tricky swirling breeze around the MCG.
Most people thought it was a comfortable win to Hawthorn because they led by more than 4 goals for most of the game, but it was actually a much closer game than people thought - the Dockers had all the momentum and ranged to within 3 points of Hawthorn entering time-on of the 3rd term. The Hawks blitzed Freo early in the 4th qtr, but the Dockers outran Hawthorn and had all the play for the last 15 mins, but they just couldn't make the most of their chances.
I still think 2015 is the year of Purple Reign. Fremantle are on top of the ladder with 11 wins and 1 loss. It is their flag to lose.
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Its not enough to be close, so many grand finals have been decided by four goals or more. You have to be good enough to beat your next best by a decent margin. Being good enough to keep it close won't do it, because if your opponent is better in any attacking sense, they'll find a way to win.
Lyon takes sides with serious weaknesses further than they normally would have gotten. Those weaknesses are players with poor skills but high discipline and fitness. They'll work hard and keep fighting to the last quarter in most games, that can get you far, but to win the ultimate you need something better.
Lyon takes sides with serious weaknesses further than they normally would have gotten. Those weaknesses are players with poor skills but high discipline and fitness. They'll work hard and keep fighting to the last quarter in most games, that can get you far, but to win the ultimate you need something better.
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Yep, that's the biggest issue. It's all fine to be great defensive team, but if you aren't going to score big then you need to be far and away the greatest defensive team and their defensive numbers aren't considerably better than the other strong teams.
It cost them v PA last year in the final when they couldn't put their dominance of play on the scoreboard. If you can't put good teams away, or at least give yourself adequate margin when you're on top, you're always keeping the opposition in the game.
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He didn't.
Looking at it slightly differently, all of those teams except 2005 Sydney scored at least 8 points above the competition average. West Coast 2006 was +8.4, Brisbane 2003 +9.8, Sydney 2012 +10.1. The rest were +13.2 or higher.
The only teams achieving +8 this year are Hawthorn (+24), West Coast (+19) and Collingwood (+12). Another seven teams are in the black between +1-6.
The only teams achieving +8 this year are Hawthorn (+24), West Coast (+19) and Collingwood (+12). Another seven teams are in the black between +1-6.
Anyone can see Freo have been down the last 4 weeks, but the cause - I think a combination of losing KPD's has caught up with the result mids have too much requirement with their defensive plan atm. Going to be interesting to see where Freo are at in coming weeks (probably>3-4 weeks from now). Probably too soon for the Hawks game in Tas and possibly Tigers at the G, will we see a B team again in Tas? Think they will have a couple losses coming (Hawks and Tigers) and then a great form run into the finals.
Freo have been suffering from lack of KPD - they have covered fairly well (Alex Pearce has been brilliant in first few games and with their team defense) but as a result this has limited their attack. As they get some back - notably MJohnson but Silvagni and possibly Dawson(does he even get a gig now when ready? I think they seem better without him, likewise no Crowley = better attacking). So their run and attack will improve - but still have those problems of only one legitimate KPF (Pav) - they need their mids to score more like in earlier rounds and deliver better which is hard with their present increased team defense requirement. They have experimented a little with Fyfe forward - they really need 2 of him (who doesn't lol). IMO MJohnson is a very underrated player and the key to them going all the way this year is having both him fully fit and Ibbotson (and McPharlin of course) so their mid's can attack far more effectively rather than being focused too much on team defense.
Once their rebounding (quarterback) defensive KPD's are back playing their rebound and attack will improve significantly, and they have the plan B (send Fyfe forward as required - where have we heard this before?) though this plan B is extremely difficult to counter.
Freo have been suffering from lack of KPD - they have covered fairly well (Alex Pearce has been brilliant in first few games and with their team defense) but as a result this has limited their attack. As they get some back - notably MJohnson but Silvagni and possibly Dawson(does he even get a gig now when ready? I think they seem better without him, likewise no Crowley = better attacking). So their run and attack will improve - but still have those problems of only one legitimate KPF (Pav) - they need their mids to score more like in earlier rounds and deliver better which is hard with their present increased team defense requirement. They have experimented a little with Fyfe forward - they really need 2 of him (who doesn't lol). IMO MJohnson is a very underrated player and the key to them going all the way this year is having both him fully fit and Ibbotson (and McPharlin of course) so their mid's can attack far more effectively rather than being focused too much on team defense.
Once their rebounding (quarterback) defensive KPD's are back playing their rebound and attack will improve significantly, and they have the plan B (send Fyfe forward as required - where have we heard this before?) though this plan B is extremely difficult to counter.
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If forced to pick now I think all signs point to a Hawks 3 peat, this is another marker they are hitting, yes history is only a guide, but even looking at the run home they should finish top 2 if not first.
Fremantle are the team I would guess as their most likely opponent.
Fremantle are the team I would guess as their most likely opponent.
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What a ridiculous comment, how in any way shape or form is Lyon restricting Fyfe? The bloke is probably on 25+ Brownlow votes ready and we're only just past the halfway mark of the season.
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I didn't say he was, what i am saying is Lyon has no choice in the matter...Fyfe is the difference between winning and losing a Premiership and it goes against Lyon's style of smotherball, he's not going to restrict Fyfe, he couldn't even if he wanted too. Fyfe cannot be Lyonised and that should win Freo a flag, but the jury is still out....we will have to wait and see.
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Along with sitting Luke Ball on the pine for the last QTR!
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