Mega Thread The Adam Goodes Megathread - Now with Added Poll!

[Mr Magic]

Let's put the whole thing into a legal construct.

The playing field is in effect a workplace, for players, coaches, umpires and other officials.

Umpires are booed seemingly without impeachment..and because that booing is then often repeated at lower and junior levels, it presents a problem in the retention of umpires..let alone their development.

We have seen the performance of the uneducated towards the likes of Milne, Watson and whoever else despite being cleared of any wrongdoing. It doesn't help.

Goodes and co may end up being driven away because of the constant abuse. That would be a sad end to the careers of players.

Because of the abuse coming from the other side of the fence, it is in effect, workplace bullying.

Its not workplace bullying unless you regard customers bullying as workplace bullying.

Maybe its market place bullying. Then again the spear throwing might be market place bullying to or other bullying?

 

[Donners]

Alan Jones SLAMS Goodes

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/sydney...s-plays-the-victim-alan-jones-20150729-gimmn3

Geez, Dermie, Acker, Bolt, Panahi, Devine and Jones on one side.

That lineup does more to make me think the other side has merit than any argument here.

 

[BlueTouchPaper]

I didn't mind him initially, ie fighting the fight against Multinational Corporations etc, but he now lets his own bias turn his commentaries into a political slinging match rather than address the issue.

I like to think it's because now his bread is buttered by Ten, and he is now encouraged to skew his commentary toward the inflammatory.

 

[pazza]

Geez, Dermie, Acker, Bolt, Panahi, Devine and Jones on one side.

That lineup does more to make me think the other side has merit than any argument here.

Ross Stevenson is on that side too.

 

[bungwahl]

But are you not the perception guy, you know, perception is more powerfull than the truth?

There you go, perception is he is a bully.

Happy now

Yep, that's absolutely right. It's exactly what I was trying to explain when you were shooting me down yesterday. Perception is (sadly) very often more important than the truth. It's the same with the booing - it's perceived as being racially motivated, therefore it needs to stop.

 

[PoopingHindi]

You're right, it's not all indigenous players who are booed. Just the one that happens to be most vocal about indigenous issues. Funny that; we only boo the aboriginal who refuses to be silent.

yeah you're right...cause the entire AFL community hated Micheal Long for taking a stand against Monkhorst and Winmar was widely ridiculed for putting a bunch of Collingwood rednecks in their place

 

[Moo]

Lots of nuances to the issue.

I just don't think calling all booers racists is the best way to get people to stop booing (which needs to happen IMO). I think the swans have stuffed up massively with this strategy.

Summa I couldn't agree more.

It's not all racist but it's not all I don't like Adam either.

It's doing damage now - people should stop, it would have been easier if this came from within.

 

[Moo]

yeah you're right...cause the entire AFL community hated Micheal Long for taking a stand against Monkhorst and Winmar was widely ridiculed for putting a bunch of Collingwood rednecks in their place

Perhaps our racist element have just gotten smarter.

 

[carloss]

Micky O has came out in defense of Goodes appealing to the common decency, the same bloke that paid an alleged rape victim $200k for her silence. He prefers his victims to sit in the corner and count their hush money.

He's got a nerve.

Transcript from 4 corners

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2004/s1100551.htm

 

[incog43]

You forgot I will boo him knowing that it will be interpreted as having racial undertones.

You might gladly accept it as the price but you should at least acknowledge the perception.

If someone booed Goodes cos they don't like him and others boo him for being a black fella ....no way of knowing the difference so I'd lump you all in (Yes I'm a flogist).

If you don't like the AFL imposing their authoritarian views ...why not boo them?

He just gave you a reason why he boo'd Goodes.

Apparently thats not good enough for you, you would prefer to call him a racist.

Now you can think what you want about those people who boo, just keep ignoring all the
reasons supported in the poll above, you know, that would be evidence.

Are you a bigot?

 

[MagpieJo]

Alternative argument - can you stop booing just so we can STFU about this.

ASADA and now this ...I want the good old days of the 2010's when we all just hated each other for footy reasons.

Amen

(Appols to the atheists)

 

[JohnnyFontane90]

Except he didn't bully a 13 year old girl. He pointed out someone who shouted racial abuse at him, during a game of football in indigenous round. No one should have to put up with that.

When it was revealed she was a 13 year old girl, Goodes himself said it wasn't her fault: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...to-blame-for-racial-taunt-20130525-2n3bx.html

showing that it does not affect you is how you make it stop.

he should take a page out of dani alves book.

 

[Procrastinator35]

The Swans have hit peak stupid.

Come on....Lets not forget to give the AFL & The Media their dues.

 

[Xtreme]

If you don't like the AFL imposing their authoritarian views ...why not boo them?

I do boo them at every opportunity, the same way I boo BT, Darcy, Hamish etc.

 

[Tyrone Time]

From now on Goodes will be applauded for these sorts of actions........we have no right to hurt his feelings.

I wonder what would happen if Sam Mitchell did exactly the same thing on Friday night?

 

[incog43]

Geez, Dermie, Acker, Bolt, Panahi, Devine and Jones on one side.

That lineup does more to make me think the other side has merit than any argument here.

Thats fine, whilst you qoute a fairfax publication that trades at circa 90 cents a share
because not many people buy their product.

Newscorp trades at circa $19.

I wonder which company most Australians support with their money?

Hint - not Fairfax

 

[bungwahl]

showing that it does not affect you is how you make it stop.

he should take a page out of dani alves book.

People are different mate, not everyone can shrug their shoulders and take perceived racism in their stride.

 

[MagpieJo]

A perfectly acceptable Aussie war dance

 

[Donners]

Thats fine, whilst you qoute a fairfax publication that trades at circa 90 cents a share
because not many people buy their product.

Newscorp trades at circa $19.

I wonder which company most Australians support with their money?

Hint - not Fairfax

Actually, I haven't quoted the Age or any other Fairfax product because I find it almost as insufferable as the Hun.

You'd also find that most of my comments here have been querying the arguments that the crowd reaction is primarily racially motivated.

Unfortunately, in true Bolt fashion, you leapt to a conclusion without the appropriate research.

Incidentally, weight of numbers doesn't equal merit of argument given the prevalance of ignorance and simple stupidity.

 

[incog43]

Come on....Lets not forget to give the AFL & The Media their dues.

That was a given

 

[The Swans Blog]

Forward Press... ahh this all over again. Same old racist shit, same old nonsense excuses, same old hate.
Haters always hate; Wbby nailed it on his first post that people are going to hate without knowing why they're hating. Mob mentality definitely comes into it, because he wasn't being booed much until this season. Dog acts on the field? Why don't people boo Hodge, Mitchell, Selwood, Rioli, Johnson, Harvey etc.

But a very well known public figure is always an easy target; future AFL legend, will probably be the best and most decorated indigenous player of all time, Australian of the year, community leader and champion for indigenous rights. But hey, if he was white would he get booed as much and publicly derided? I don't recall any white person being called an ape.

Seriously, it's always some feral posters from Collingwood, Adelaide and Hawthorn who're most adamant and most actively bashing without having even the faintest idea what the **** they're talking about. If you don't know anything about what you're talking about, don't bother engaging because your opinion is wrong.

People complaining about political correctness can **** back off to 50s where I know people who were raised in those years hold a very strong racist opinion on the matter, the sort of people who supported the 'White Australia' argument that Pauline Hanson desperately tried to bring back. I've listened to individuals in their 60s mindlessly babble and ramble on senselessly about reinvigorating White Australia, closing down our borders and refusing entry to anyone who isn't white. Of course they ignore the indigenous population and hope that they just piss off to their camps, drink petrol and beer and leach off the government, just sit down in the corner, take your handout and shut the **** up.

I'm white and I'm proud of the cultural diversity that we have in Australia, especially in Sydney and Melbourne. Having traveled a little it really gives perspective on why Melbourne and Sydney are so often rated as the most liveable cities. I find it upsetting and deeply offensive as a 30 year old to hear and read what people truly believe when they think they're just an anonymous member of society, another face in the crowd. I go to football games in Melbourne and no matter where you sit whenever it's a Swans game you hear someone spewing racist nonsense. Black campaigner, ape, etc. is just the stock standard. It isn't just the old racists who say this, it's people of all ages; kids, teens, 20s, 30s, parents and families, senior citizens, baby boomers etc.

We have serious societal issues if people are countering racism with freedom of speech.

 

[Mcveigh]

seriously ? I think you and reality are quite a distance apart

Yes I live in a very distant reality to you.

 

[Reppie]

No racism involved but i guess the sheep will just conform to the media hype.

 

[JohnnyFontane90]

People are different mate, not everyone can shrug their shoulders and take perceived racism in their stride.

well that specific personality trait is what contributes to his 'unlikability'.

like that person at the party that just can't leave politics and activism at the door. no one wants to get stuck talking to them.

 

[JohnnyFontane90]

No racism involved but i guess the sheep will just conform to the media hype.

and then the media will bash them for doing so. and everybody's angry at each other. the system works!