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Pretty sure she had family here as well.
Current Heidelberg West Toddler's Death
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Havent worked in the feild or been involved in this case, yet you can continue to make assumptions and generalisations based on nothing at all.
That's f$cked up. Makes you angry that people just get away with things by falling back on mental illness
Oh, I thought I read that they were in Fiji
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What's that got to do with her murdering her child? Does that mitigate her actions? Would it matter to you if he was younger?
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He's not basing it on nothing at all, he's basing it on his past dealings as was i, based on my dealings with Families SA in my professional capacity. Based on your comments our experiences appear to be greater than yours.
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Have you read anything I posted before jumping in to defend the poster?
And you're making a lot of assumptions about me
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Have you read anything I posted before jumping in to defend the poster?
Errr yes i have.
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Pretty sure her mother was in Fiji but she had a decent amount of extended family in Australia.
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Err and did you read about the generalisation and assumptions about the DHS organisation with zero working experiences of dealings with cases like these? Let alone having little information on what the DHS investigation into the mother covered? Beyond the poster's "experiences " of involvement with DHS workers?
Much easier to critize and label all the DHS workers incompetent I guess
Just trying to understand her situation
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Now you're making things up. No one labelled, well at least i didn't, DHS workers as incompetent. Systemic failures, poor procedures and failure to adhere to policy is rife in these organisations, that doesn't mean individuals are to blame but collectively i'm betting there were failures although they may have not directly lead to the childs death.
The fact that the child was residing at an address where two men who also reside there have been charged with violent crimes should be concerning to most rational people. That's a failure in my eyes right there.
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My response was aimed at the poster you're defending , not at you in particular .
As for the second part I agree it is concerning and I was unaware of that reported information.
My main gripe was with the previous poster labelling an entire organisation and its worker incompetent with little to none understanding of the department or what the job involves, let alone what DHS has done on this case or the investigation.
Basically just a generalisation based on whatever experiences the person has.
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Fair enough. She'll be the poor victim soon enough.
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And you'll be on here acknowledging that you were wrong when her sentence is far more severe than that, yeah?
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Context. He was murdered for no other reason than sick pleasure. Whether it was minutes or hours later is semantics.
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Not really. The poster you quoted was specifically making a reference to how odd it was for an abduction to occur and then for the child to be killed pretty much immediately (i.e. within a couple of minutes: the imaginary abductor would have barely had time to slow down, considering the time and location).
Venables and Thompson pretty clearly had more of a motive, which you've acknowledged (at the very least, torture, with other motivations being speculated on), than just killing and dumping.
I agree and I'm sure what actually happened here will be investigated pretty thoroughly.
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That's pretty far from my experience of the system. As far as I'm aware, sole custody (in Victoria, at least) just doesn't happen, except in the most exceptional cases.
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I respectfully disagree. There's a massive difference between murdering someone for financial gain or because they slept with your wife, as opposed to someone who had voices in their head or the intellect of a four year old.
There was an interview with a woman who killed her child in the Weekend Age a little while ago. She was completely delusional, hearing voices etc. and was convinced bikies were out to rape and kill her and her child. She thought she was doing the right thing by "saving" her child from abduction and a lifetime of abuse.
I'm not saying that's what happened here btw. She wouldn't be the first person to claim "mental health" issues as a cover for a heinous crime.
I imagine if it's a domestic situation with abuse/murder committed by a mother or father, then it would not be treated as seriously as a predatory crime from a stranger. It would vary case to case, but often it would be considered akin to a crime of passion. They are perhaps less of a risk as an opportunist and are sentenced accordingly.
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A recent article about the mother and mental illness:
Imagine the anguish of Sanaya's mother
Date
April 15, 2016 - 10:51AM
Jessica Redman
When I read on Saturday that a toddler was missing from a park in West Heidelberg, my heart skipped a beat. Heidelberg is my `hood. I go to playgrounds there. I shop at Northland. I have a two-year-old son. It was only too easy to imagine how it would feel if something like this should ever happen to my family.
All day I had a knot in my stomach that wouldn't go away. I couldn't stop thinking about that little girl. I couldn't stop thinking about how her mother must feel. I wondered, as did many of us, whether perhaps her father or uncle had snatched her as part of some family dispute – that the mother's description of the kidnapper as a bare-footed African man was just a ruse to protect that family member. I hoped, I prayed, this was the case, that the little girl was safe somewhere.
And then, in the early hours of Sunday morning, they found Sanaya's body in Darebin Creek. She was just there, right where the police had been searching. But it wasn't the police who found her, rather a family that had also known the desperate fear of losing a child – a family that couldn't rest, knowing a child might be alone out there. When I heard the news, I cried. I felt this tragedy like a blow to my body and it knocked the wind out of me.
Full Article: Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/imagi...yas-mother-20160414-go5zc1.html#ixzz45r19XeMB
Imagine the anguish of Sanaya's mother
Date
April 15, 2016 - 10:51AM
Jessica Redman
When I read on Saturday that a toddler was missing from a park in West Heidelberg, my heart skipped a beat. Heidelberg is my `hood. I go to playgrounds there. I shop at Northland. I have a two-year-old son. It was only too easy to imagine how it would feel if something like this should ever happen to my family.
All day I had a knot in my stomach that wouldn't go away. I couldn't stop thinking about that little girl. I couldn't stop thinking about how her mother must feel. I wondered, as did many of us, whether perhaps her father or uncle had snatched her as part of some family dispute – that the mother's description of the kidnapper as a bare-footed African man was just a ruse to protect that family member. I hoped, I prayed, this was the case, that the little girl was safe somewhere.
And then, in the early hours of Sunday morning, they found Sanaya's body in Darebin Creek. She was just there, right where the police had been searching. But it wasn't the police who found her, rather a family that had also known the desperate fear of losing a child – a family that couldn't rest, knowing a child might be alone out there. When I heard the news, I cried. I felt this tragedy like a blow to my body and it knocked the wind out of me.
Full Article: Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/imagi...yas-mother-20160414-go5zc1.html#ixzz45r19XeMB
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For those who're interested, here's a particularly good article from yesterday's age
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Whole article is about infanticide. This was child murder. No coincidence of timing and agenda of a paper running that story now though.
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Jessica Redman is part of the problem. Pleasant surprise seeing the majority of comments seeing through the double standard though.
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