Opinion Chris Scott's coaching - Part 1 [closed, see Part II]

[Mattlock]

Like any individual footballer does, I truly believe Chris is improving as a coach over time from a good mix of experience, failure and insight from others. Good work!

 

[PhatBoy]

Ridiculous assertion! I'm sure Scarlett himself would respect the defensive tactical set ups Lloyd learned under Lyon. Scarlett is obviously doing well but line coaches, are simply line coaches, and modern defence is about team defence, whole ground defence, and that requires the kind of deep knowledge of defensive systems that Lloyd would've learned under Lyon. To say Lloyd is having no say in tactics or game-plan is preposterous and ultimately complete nonsense.

Scarlett has openly stated numerous times that he has, basically, contempt for a lot of opponents. Robert Harvey was a prime example. This isn't a guy who just fawns over opponents because they have had success or can play the game. On the available evidence of the sort of things he's said about opposition sides and players over the years, I doubt he'd have a skerrick of respect for anything Lyon's done, because he hasn't won anything.

 

[evolutionbaby]

Scarlett has openly stated numerous times that he has, basically, contempt for a lot of opponents. Robert Harvey was a prime example. This isn't a guy who just fawns over opponents because they have had success or can play the game. On the available evidence of the sort of things he's said about opposition sides and players over the years, I doubt he'd have a skerrick of respect for anything Lyon's done, because he hasn't won anything.

Scarlett to Lloyd: You worry about your text-books and spread-sheets and I'll worry about turning our back 6 into the meanest defence in the comp. Now get the f*** out of my way!!

 

[AM]

Like any individual footballer does, I truly believe Chris is improving as a coach over time from a good mix of experience, failure and insight from others. Good work!

Um! He is a premiership coach who has maintained the best win/loss record for a number of years you know.

Of course coaches improve with experience. That applies equally to someone like Alistair Clarkson too. Helps considerably when you have a strong on-field leadership group comprising many who have the capacity to impact games too.

 

[Willo_]

I'd like to think it's the sum of all our parts that are working this year.

Scott at the end of the day is the public face and gets the heat when it goes wrong and praise when it goes right.

But I have no doubt at all Llyod has had influence, as has Scarlett/Knights/Rahilly etc etc

Whatever they are doing at the moment is working well so not sure why people need to argue over it.. just enjoy the ride!

 

[Mattlock]

Um! He is a premiership coach who has maintained the best win/loss record for a number of years you know.

Of course coaches improve with experience. That applies equally to someone like Alistair Clarkson too. Helps considerably when you have a strong on-field leadership group comprising many who have the capacity to impact games too.

I sure do know that. But after 2011 he has had to build, train and mold a new team of which we are seeing some delciiousssss fruits right now.

 

[Go Hoops]

He's a top coach with an impressive record and we should be pleased Cooky and his crew picked him.

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[geelong_crazy26]

Don't be ridiculous, I'm not saying that? I'm saying he didn't value them in his system as much as other coaches did.

Lloyd was part of a system that is currently the worst system in the AFL ,Scotts System is the best system in the AFL .

Lloyd has come to Geelong to learn from Scott , not the other way around .

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Sure, it has a role to play in it but so do our systems, that's all I'm saying and I'm sorry if you got the impression I was saying it's ALL the coaches. However my main point with what I said was that even when we had a strong team under Scott in 2011,12,13,14 and we were making the top 4 there were certain trends in our system you can see through the stats, these have changed completely with the arrival of Lloyd and I'm just trying to show that we have significantly changed the way we play since his arrival, as well as improved our playing list. All of it combined is helping our rise up the ladder and it is by no means the arrival of one individual that has completely turned our fortunes around alone, but it's still been of some significance and important in our turnaround.

Blighty honestly you really have no clue what your talking about , how about instead of constantly talking this verbal diarrhea you listen to someone who gets predictions right all the time , myself.

This is why we are doing better at the clearances and contested footy this year .

-Dangerfield has arrived
-Smith has arrived
-Stanley is fit
-Duncan,Caddy,Guthrie and Blicavs are all more experienced players going into the prime of their careers.

A key point for you to take home , a system is nothing more than an applied skill.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

He's a top coach with an impressive record and we should be pleased Cooky and his crew picked him.

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The reason Llyod came to Geelong was to learn of Scott .

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Been a long time observer but have barely posted but...
All of you that said Scott can't coach etc can get stuffed.
The bloke didn't trip and fall into being a premiership coach and has managed the transition from 2011 team to 2016 better than any coach in the Comp. to borrow a quote from bomber Thompson...
"For some silly reason, you people want to assassinate him. It's just rubbish. You people, all of you, ALL OF YOU, leave him alone!"

I'll gladly put my hand up to one making those calls, yet at the same time I'll openly admit that I was wrong.

I've read the last 5 pages of this thread and I've shaken my head at one particular poster who refuses to do the same... never mind.

In my defence, part of the reason for my original criticisms were his inability to revert back to that 2011 system, and the reasons why we appeared lazy, lacklustre, selfish and undisciplined. That's all changed again for whatever reasons, whether fitness, personnel or something else was the reason for the change I'm not sure, but we're back to the way we played when he first took over the coaching job and it's a really good sign and a positive move for the club moving forward.

This game style will stand up in finals it's only a matter now of getting the balance between youth and experience right but we're on the right path.

 

[manboob]

Sure, it has a role to play in it but so do our systems, that's all I'm saying and I'm sorry if you got the impression I was saying it's ALL the coaches. However my main point with what I said was that even when we had a strong team under Scott in 2011,12,13,14 and we were making the top 4 there were certain trends in our system you can see through the stats, these have changed completely with the arrival of Lloyd and I'm just trying to show that we have significantly changed the way we play since his arrival, as well as improved our playing list. All of it combined is helping our rise up the ladder and it is by no means the arrival of one individual that has completely turned our fortunes around alone, but it's still been of some significance and important in our turnaround.

Wow you really don't get football do you. It's staggering how little you understand the game.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Wow you really don't get football do you. It's staggering how little you understand the game.

That or it is in fact Mrs.Lloyd we are talking to.

 

[evolutionbaby]

I'll gladly put my hand up to one making those calls, yet at the same time I'll openly admit that I was wrong.

I've read the last 5 pages of this thread and I've shaken my head at one particular poster who refuses to do the same... never mind.

In my defence, part of the reason for my original criticisms were his inability to revert back to that 2011 system, and the reasons why we appeared lazy, lacklustre, selfish and undisciplined. That's all changed again for whatever reasons, whether fitness, personnel or something else was the reason for the change I'm not sure, but we're back to the way we played when he first took over the coaching job and it's a really good sign and a positive move for the club moving forward.

This game style will stand up in finals it's only a matter now of getting the balance between youth and experience right but we're on the right path.

I've read a lot of your posts and don't recall having a problem with any in particular. Haven't agreed with all of them, but you seem to have the right passion and put them across concisely without grandstanding. Most others are like this, except ........

 

[Cronin]

The reason Llyod came to Geelong was to learn of Scott .

And you have proof of this?

 

[Johnny Cattery]

This thread puzzles me.

 

[Son_Of_God29]

383 Pages and mostly negative BS about our coach...if we win the flag will mods Close this thread

 

[David the Cat]

383 Pages and mostly negative BS about our coach...if we win the flag will mods Close this thread

We have to wait that long?

 

[CatsDoItBetter]

Scarlett has openly stated numerous times that he has, basically, contempt for a lot of opponents. Robert Harvey was a prime example. This isn't a guy who just fawns over opponents because they have had success or can play the game. On the available evidence of the sort of things he's said about opposition sides and players over the years, I doubt he'd have a skerrick of respect for anything Lyon's done, because he hasn't won anything.

Attitude as a player and as a coach are different lets hope and nothing to suggest it would extend to coaches either. While I dislike Lyon as much as the next cats fan (he has coached two of our biggest recent rivals) he is clearly a good coach and actually very few coaches have "won anything".
The defence has clearly improved and changed the way it sets up this year and it's working very well and it certainly has some similarities to the way freo have set up down back.
Our coaching group is a team sharing ideas and working together to try and achieve success together clearly Lloyd is part of that. He will no doubt be sharing info from freo as Scarlett will from his time with the dogs and the various other experience the coaching group has.

 

[PhatBoy]

Attitude as a player and as a coach are different lets hope and nothing to suggest it would extend to coaches either. While I dislike Lyon as much as the next cats fan (he has coached two of our biggest recent rivals) he is clearly a good coach and actually very few coaches have "won anything".
The defence has clearly improved and changed the way it sets up this year and it's working very well and it certainly has some similarities to the way freo have set up down back.
Our coaching group is a team sharing ideas and working together to try and achieve success together clearly Lloyd is part of that. He will no doubt be sharing info from freo as Scarlett will from his time with the dogs and the various other experience the coaching group has.

Even the 'Lyon is clearly a good coach' angle is something I'm not sold on. If there is one thing that almost any coach can do with any group of players, it is to make them defensively stronger. Roos has shown that with the Demons in his first two seasons. If you're willing to shut the game down, you can make any team more competitive in an instant by putting the focus almost entirely on defence, which I believe Lyon has tried to do. Yes of course he would still have his ideas on scoring points and addressing various opposition strengths, clearly, but he has never been able to find a major attacking system that has worked, despite having some pretty good groups of players to work with.

 

[Mr Blicavs]

Lloyd was part of a system that is currently the worst system in the AFL ,Scotts System is the best system in the AFL .

Lloyd has come to Geelong to learn from Scott , not the other way around .

 

[Mr Blicavs]

Scarlett to Lloyd: You worry about your text-books and spread-sheets and I'll worry about turning our back 6 into the meanest defence in the comp. Now get the f*** out of my way!!

Matthew Scarlett taking up a coching role is the best thing that could ever happen to Chris Scott & this current playing group. He will DEMAND respect and commitment, and instill hunger back into the collective.

 

[lionbear]

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Think both systems are pretty equal, Hawthorn have had a little more luck to date with the players available in free agency and trade as needed.

 

[Mr Blicavs]

Think both systems are pretty equal, Hawthorn have had a little more luck to date with the players available in free agency and trade as needed.

I dont think they are even close.
Not only has Clarkson been able to maintain a level of success that is unprecedented in the modern era of football, he's also been able to produce 5 current AFL coaches who served under him, and spread that winning culture to improve clubs like the Western Bulldogs, GWS, Richmond (up until this year) and West coast.
Theres also a culture of hunger and intensity at Hawthorn that runs all the way from The Captain, right down to the kid who's #45 in the player group. That is evidenced by the amount of success that Box Hill Hawks are also having of late.
That is processes and that is culture, and Geelong are no where near that (yet)

 

[fpm84]

I dont think they are even close.
Not only has Clarkson been able to maintain a level of success that is unprecedented in the modern era of football, he's also been able to produce 5 current AFL coaches who served under him, and spread that winning culture to improve clubs like the Western Bulldogs, GWS, Richmond (up until this year) and West coast.

The ability of a club to turn assistants into successful senior coaches is overstated IMO.

We 'produced' Sanderson, McCartney and Hinkley who all got senior gigs elsewhere. The first two were sacked after three years respectively, and despite Hinkley starting his career on fire, he's now under more pressure than almost any other coach as Port Adelaide continue to underachieve.

During Collingwood's successful reign, Malthouse's assistants were all talked about as being the next Jock McHale in the making. Yet Mark Neeld and Scott Watters were both unmitigated disasters as senior coaches.

Let's wait and see how the tenures of Hardwick, Simpson, Beveridge, Bolton and co turn out before we praise Clarkson for 'developing' them.