2016 Non-Crows AFL Discussion - Cont. in Part 2 (link in OP)

[jenny61_99]

Bombers lost two years worth of draft picks back when the AFL sanctioned them IIRC. Same as we lost for hypothetically overpaying Tiprat.

One and a half. First two picks for year one. First two picks for year two, but somehow were given a first round pick as compensation for something.

 

[jenny61_99]

Is there a clear standout for the number 1 draft pick like jack watts?

Heard an analysis the other day that said you could throw a blanket over the top 10, and that Clubs would be clamouring to get as many picks in the top 20 as they can. #1 doesn't guarantee you the best player (because clubs actually have to develop said player, and some clubs are just shit at that).

 

[Pdub]

700k is what Richmond and North we're offering him to leave, when he re-signed late last year it was reported he took considerable unders. But why let facts get in the way of a good story.

I think you mean "speculated by hopeful port supporters"

But why let facts get in the way of a good story.

 

[Bay62]

But why let facts get in the way of a good story.

You mean like "The magpies guernsey is prison bars" when in fact it's pylons on a wharf?

Or "Port Power have won more premierships than anyone" when that was actually a previous club in a different competition?

Or "Est 1870" when in fact it was 1997?

No one better at myth making than your mob

 

[Geoffa32]

Whilst it is wrong that Essendon will germane rules on the fly.

 

[Pdub]

One and a half. First two picks for year one. First two picks for year two, but somehow were given a first round pick as compensation for something.

It was because they had Micheal Long's son as a potential father son, the AFL gave them the ability to still pick him, but he only turned out to be a rookie list player.

 

[Vader]

Bombers lost two years worth of draft picks back when the AFL sanctioned them IIRC. Same as we lost for hypothetically overpaying Tiprat.

They were stripped of draft picks because of "poor governance". That's the failure to keep records of which substances were injected into the players. Let's be realistic here, they almost certainly kept records - and then destroyed them, when the AFL gave them the heads-up that ASADA were on the way.

As others have pointed out, those penalties weren't even applied in full.

They have not received ANY penalty for conducting a systematic doping program, orchestrated by the head coach and his hand-picked "sports scientist".

 

[NikkiNoo]

AFL coaches even in the amateur and youth level are required to undertake training every year and particularly when new issues arise. Reckon the AFL would be all over this and include a section on dealing with depression in players. It's not like the AFL don't have the resources to do this.

Every person coaching should have or be working under the supervision of someone with coaching accreditation. This is in place for the vast majority of sports as far as I am aware. Each of those bodies also provide a lot of resources and links to other places so that you can further your knowledge to the betterment of your athlete, which includes things other than just how to coach that particular sport.

Also in order to maintain your accreditation, each coach has to undertake a number of courses worth points each year. A coach has to do a attain a certain number of points from attending workshops, otherwise you are not allowed to re-accredit the next year.

 

[NikkiNoo]

Bombers lost two years worth of draft picks back when the AFL sanctioned them IIRC. Same as we lost for hypothetically overpaying Tiprat.

They only lost those for their governance issue. The AFL and Essendon were very strong about that at the time, that it was ONLY for governance issues.

They have not been penalised at all for running a systemic doping program on athletes under their care by the AFL. Now the AFL are trotting out that they have been penalised already. Um, nope they haven't. Your own words prove otherwise, AFL.

 

[Pdub]

Brisbane can have all the number 1 picks they'd want... they would probably leave soon enough... they should actually bid on a gws zone player for the lulz.

I think they need pick 1 so they get to choose a player who will be happy to play in QLD. Say there are 2 kids of equal talent and are the best kids in the draft, one is happy to lay anywhere, one only wants to play in Melbourne, Essendon get pick 1 and take the Kid who is happy to play anywhere. Leaving brisbane to have to look further down the list for a kid who they think will stay.

It almost happened last year with Schache wanting to play for the lions and being the best forward in the country and Weitering wanting to play in Melbourne. If Carlton had of taken Schache it would have ****ed Brisbane.

Essendon have no problem keeping players, considering their circumstances, The AFL needs to give Brisbane first pick,
but I think the VFL would be happier for a big 4 club to be helped back to the top of the ladder and start bringing in big crowds again.

 

[hey shorty]

I think they need pick 1 so they get to choose a player who will be happy to play in QLD. Say there are 2 kids of equal talent and are the best kids in the draft, one is happy to lay anywhere, one only wants to play in Melbourne, Essendon get pick 1 and take the Kid who is happy to play anywhere. Leaving brisbane to have to look further down the list for a kid who they think will stay.

It almost happened last year with Schache wanting to play for the lions and being the best forward in the country and Weitering wanting to play in Melbourne. If Carlton had of taken Schache it would have stuffed Brisbane.

Essendon have no problem keeping players, considering their circumstances, The AFL needs to give Brisbane first pick,
but I think the VFL would be happier for a big 4 club to be helped back to the top of the ladder and start bringing in big crowds again.

Slightly OT but Weitering belted Schache on the weekend, I do wonder if Josh will soon tire of Brisbane life.

 

[Pdub]

Slightly OT but Weitering belted Schache on the weekend, I do wonder if Josh will soon tire of Brisbane life.

There's nothing wrong with Brisbane life, it's a great city to live in, with great weather, unless you want to be a celebrity.

 

[Paladin]

700k is what Richmond and North we're offering him to leave, when he re-signed late last year it was reported he took considerable unders. But why let facts get in the way of a good story.

You have a history of paying well overs though and half the squad is on 5 year deals. So reportedly that's doubtful.

No wonder poor Aaron Young missed out.

 

[StickerMan]

After the Bulldogs beat them he will ignore his opinion again until they beat the next bottom team

Kingy does this all the time.

He talked Port up as Premiership contenders pre-sets on so validates his prediction at any sniff of good form.

On the flip side, he hates the Crows, predicted their demise, so us going well would be killing him. Hence why he doesn't give us any air time.

Does it consistently throughout the league. Doesn't like to be wrong does old David.

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[SgtSchulz]

Or "Est 1870" when in fact it was 1997?

No one better at myth making than your mob

Who recieved the AFL liscence in 1994 then?

What was the event at the entertainment center in 1995?

 

[Mike Smyth]

I still can't believe they're paying Hartlett 700k a year. His manager played them like a fiddle.

Not sure how they are keeping under the salary cap. Now there's a story ruc. Hopefully they are not cheating AGAIN.

 

[Mike Smyth]

Who recieved the AFL liscence in 1994 then?

What was the event at the entertainment center in 1995?

Seems someone forgot to tell the merchandise dept. Maybe you could have a little pre game sing along about how we're trying to tear your history apart.

 

[Mike Smyth]

Not the right place for it but does anyone here hold a British passport?

 

[SgtSchulz]

Seems someone forgot to tell the merchandise dept. Maybe you could have a little pre game sing along about how we're trying to tear your history apart.

That banter haha I'll just go back to Alberton for a Schnitty and a chat with Greg Phillips at the bar.

 

[Pdub]

Who recieved the AFL liscence in 1994 then?

What was the event at the entertainment center in 1995?

I thought you were a football club, not a business, football clubs don't start with paperwork and corporate events.

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

But the VFL then gave them back a second round pick - justice

So we received a much greater penalty from the VFL than Essendon did, in fact they have not received ANY penalty from the VFL for doing illicit drugs - go figure.

And then they get pick one in the draft as a reward, you couldn't script this shit.

Everyone keeps forgetting about how Essendon were kicked out of the finals in 2013. That's a pretty harsh penalty.

 

[Vader]

Everyone keeps forgetting about how Essendon were kicked out of the finals in 2013. That's a pretty harsh penalty.

Also part of their punishment for "governance" issues. Not a penalty for conducting a systematic doping program.

 

[Pdub]

Everyone keeps forgetting about how Essendon were kicked out of the finals in 2013. That's a pretty harsh penalty.

They were 7th place and the worst side in the top 8, it's not like they were a top 4 side with a chance to do anything in September. Carlton probably did more than Essendon would have done.

Being saved the embarrassment of losing an elimination final to Collingwood isn't much of a penalty.

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

Also part of their punishment for "governance" issues. Not a penalty for conducting a systematic doping program.

It's all the same thing. They can't prove the systematic doping because of their poor governance issues.

 

[DJ75]

They only lost those for their governance issue. The AFL and Essendon were very strong about that at the time, that it was ONLY for governance issues.

They have not been penalised at all for running a systemic doping program on athletes under their care by the AFL. Now the AFL are trotting out that they have been penalised already. Um, nope they haven't. Your own words prove otherwise, AFL.

100% correct - and something the AFL is very successfully sweeping under the carpet.

Bottom line is our sanctions for Tippett were more significant than Essendon's for their combination of poor governance and systematic doping of players with experimental drugs. Seems fair.

Sadly the same will happen again one day. For we went away quietly, accepted our whack and stayed a strong club.

Essendon bitched and complained endlessly, did everything to argue against the AFL and then finished bottom (with a nice juicy number 1 pick as reward). Nice.