Mega Thread Trade and List Management discussion

[Ozil]

Burgoyne was cooked when he signed for Hawthorn, too. Was a huge risk taking him on. Very interested in Deledio.

WHE sucks. Seductive blend of attributes but don't think he'll ever live up to them. Let Bailey Dale simmer away, and look elsewhere for a prospect.

 

[fronkalicious]

Burgoyne was cooked when he signed for Hawthorn, too. Was a huge risk taking him on. Very interested in Deledio.

WHE sucks. Seductive blend of attributes but don't think he'll ever live up to them. Let Bailey Dale simmer away, and look elsewhere for a prospect.

Agree re lids. If his body checked out ok and we felt he really had the desire to push on with his footy, I'd be into him. He is everything we lack. Absolute cream, with his speed and ball use.

But what would you be willing to give up for him Ozil?

 

[Mattdougie]

So to summarise the last few pages of this thread

We want to bring in

Hurley
Rance
Deledio
Gawn
Bartel
Barlow and more

And give up

No one coz they are all "great depth" and why take the risk let's just stick with what we have that isn't good enough and apparently they will improve and suddenly not be injured every second week.

Wow some of the stupidity in here hurts my head.

 

[Zgope1]

massive no to Bartel. The slowest player in footy right now (yes slower than Jed) and honestly he's hanging on by a thread to be good enough at afl level

 

[immortalmike]

Perhaps - just perhaps - he's not that good?

Nah can't be. He had that one great game against us when we were demoralized and barely competitive. Give them a first rounder and Macrae.

 

[Mofra]

Nah can't be. He had that one great game against us when we were demoralized and barely competitive. Give them a first rounder and Macrae.

Yep.
And John Butcher kicked 6 on us when Easton Wood was playing as a sole 185cm key defender. He's our tall forward savior!

 

[paulveed]

Surely he'd be the 'cheapest' option. I wonder if we can get him for a third rounder.

We don't need "cheap" ! What we need is CLASS.

 

[Sentinel]

Just posted it in the current contracts thread - Dale Morris has signed on for 2017 (1 year deal).

 

[zucvv]

So to summarise the last few pages of this thread

We want to bring in

Hurley
Rance
Deledio
Gawn
Bartel
Barlow and more

And give up

No one coz they are all "great depth" and why take the risk let's just stick with what we have that isn't good enough and apparently they will improve and suddenly not be injured every second week.

Wow some of the stupidity in here hurts my head.

To be fair most here wouldn't mind trading out Stevens, Jong, Hrovat etc for value, just not quite emotionally ready yet for Clay.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

Burgoyne was cooked when he signed for Hawthorn, too. Was a huge risk taking him on. Very interested in Deledio.

WHE sucks. Seductive blend of attributes but don't think he'll ever live up to them. Let Bailey Dale simmer away, and look elsewhere for a prospect.

You're just repeating what I said earlier in the week!

Grade talent that could be the difference between us winning a flag or not.

I see a lot of similarities to any premiership contending team adding Deledio to how Hawthorn recruited Shaun Burgoyne, their individual successes aside.

Both are mid/defenders, both had injury interrupted years in the final year before being traded (Burgoyne only played 9 games in his final Port year)

Both are risky investments - massive overs if their career ends prematurely because of injury, but both massively on the cheap if they had 5 years out of their careers.

Hawthorn paid pick 9 and Mark Williams (who still had a bit of value at the time even if he was a nutter) for Burgoyne, which at the time seemed massive overs - Burgyone was already 27 when he got traded, missed the first 7 games of 2010 because of injury, and there were question marks about the value of 12-15 years of a pick 9 vs maybe 3-4 injury prone years out of someone like Burgoyne, but nearly 7 years on, the rest is history, Burgoyne was worth every cent of the trade.

Hawthorn were also quite a young team in 2009, whilst they had some success already, they realised that they already had the A-Grade talent in their list through the draft so they had to take a risk and turbo-charge their list profile to be older through trading.

The fact that Deledio is a couple of years older means that he won't get paid quite as much (ie not pick 9) but I would trade our first pick in the and a decent (say someone like Stevens) player for him in a heartbeat, we have to take the risk that he's over his injuries and can contribute 3-4 years of A-grade talent a bit like Burgoyne at the time.

If we miss out on Hurley, the player that I'd be looking at is Deledio.[/QUOTE]

One part where the comparison falls away is the difference in ages. If Burgoyne wasn't cooked, he was still "only" in his late 20's ie had 5+ years left of good footy. Even if we get a fit Deledio for the rest of his career - it could "only" be as little as 3-4 years because of the fact he's already 30 next year. We might get more utility out of a draft pick or alternate trade even if Deledio's ticked all boxes from a "he's not really that cooked" perspective.

 

[TedDougChris]

Just posted it in the current contracts thread - Dale Morris has signed on for 2017 (1 year deal).

Excellent news !!

 

[Ozil]

Agree re lids. If his body checked out ok and we felt he really had the desire to push on with his footy, I'd be into him. He is everything we lack. Absolute cream, with his speed and ball use.

But what would you be willing to give up for him Ozil?

Depends on the Hurley outcome and/or whether our first rounder is still in play, I suppose.

Would they consider taking somebody like Koby Stevens, in addition to a pick? Not a patch on Deledio, but has a lot more footy in him, and they're not contending for a while.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Just posted it in the current contracts thread - Dale Morris has signed on for 2017 (1 year deal).

We all like this

 

[Mattdougie]

To be fair most here wouldn't mind trading out Stevens, Jong, Hrovat etc for value, just not quite emotionally ready yet for Clay.

Yeah for ridiculous trades mate

Jong is worth very little and Hrovat is worth zero.

If what is true last year and Hrovat turned down a move for 2 picks to us te club should send him to the darkest sh!thile in the AFL. Injured probe and completely over rated by some supporters I'd be astounded if we got more than a 3rd rounder and I still think that's reaching.
Hrovat is the most useless player on our list at present. He cannot play on the same team as Daniel,Dahl, Smith and McLean and he is miles behind them all. Keeping him on our list pat this year would be moronic.

We are not getting a 2nd for Jong lets not kid ourselves he is an utter potato.

People on here are trying to trade out spuds for high picks. Want to keep rubbish depth but not bring in players that are better than that rubbish we already have.

 

[McCraeBF]

On the Trade Table are:

Campbell
Honeychurch
Hrovat
Roberts
Hamling
Stevens
Jong
Smith


Delisted or Retired

Prudden
Minson
Adcock

 

[timtamWB]

Anybody that advocates trading Clay Smith is officially dead to me.

That is all.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

Was spewing last year when Brisbane pipped us to drafting keypo-prospect Sam Skinner and we had to settle for a flanker - some kid called Bailey Williams.

Just noticed poor Skinner has re-done the same ACL for Brisbane that he was recovering from when he was drafted. Could be a long road for that kid.

Same, I was livid, especially since they only had that pick because nobody bid on Keays before our first pick. It's starting to look like we got lucky there.

 

[immortalmike]

Anybody that advocates trading Clay Smith is officially dead to me.

That is all.

Agree.
Guy is all heart and those are the types you want playing in big games.

 

[timtamWB]

Agree.
Guy is all heart and those are the types you want playing in big games.

I think you might be selling him a bit short. His ability to get into good positions, especially in front of goal, is damn good. He's got a good footy brain surprisingly.

That and he might just kill someone on the field in the next couple of years.

 

[immortalmike]

I think you might be selling him a bit short. His ability to get into good positions, especially in front of goal, is damn good. He's got a good footy brain surprisingly.

That and he might just kill someone on the field in the next couple of years.

Not really commenting on him as a player. Just saying that his heart is what can make him elite. You can make a case for him having weaknesses or strengths that I'll happily agree with but his heart is his real stand out quality. That is what will push him when everyone else is wrecked to give that little extra. That wins flags.

 

[the conch]

So to summarise the last few pages of this thread

We want to bring in

Hurley
Rance
Deledio
Gawn
Bartel
Barlow and more

And give up

No one coz they are all "great depth" and why take the risk let's just stick with what we have that isn't good enough and apparently they will improve and suddenly not be injured every second week.

Wow some of the stupidity in here hurts my head.

You've forgotten the plan to borrow Reiwoldt and possibly Rance for a year.
We get a couple then they have a shot, (better that than same ol hawks / sydney / cats / giants? etc...
C'mon Peter Gordon- lift your game!

 

[murphy2bedabest]

First of what do we need to improve our list to take us to the next level ?

We need
Key back Hurley
Class mid/def Deledio
Key forward, Redpath replacement ????? No spuds, do we look within?
Ruck nicholls

As I said in my other post I'm not sure what cap space we have or will have after Hurley, if we get him IMO if he checks out Deledio should be next on our wish list. If Hurley says no we must look at rance and see what it'll take to get him, doubt he will leave but if there is any chance we have to be the club that gets him.

How do we pay for them?
Griffen, is this the last year we are paying part of griffen's contract?
Minson a lot will need to go right for big will to be around next season. Is a FA
Jong
Honey
Hrovat
Campbell
Hamilton and prudden not on big coin but still frees up cash
Stevens and clay smith would rather keep both but if deals can be done to free cash and get picks for other trades it must be looked at.

I also said awhile ago that anyone is tradeable, even Bont ( no team has what Bont is worth so don't worry) he will never be traded. But if a Godfather offer came up for any player it must be looked at IMO

Don't get me wrong I'm not saying to trade away just anyone, I'm just saying you have be open minded during trade week for anything.

So what do we have on the trade table?

well the guys mentioned above won't fetch much in terms as single trades, but if we can gain what we can and package it up to trade with GWS/GC who need points for their kids.

Easier said than done but JMac and his team have to be on their toes and open to anything that may come up.

Now I'm not sure if what I have suggested is what we are after or willing to let go, but as I've said before we should be looking at improving our best 22 to help take that next step.

 

[fronkalicious]

Mackenzie omitted again. If we missed on Hurley id be all over him. You don't lose your talent.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

So to summarise the last few pages of this thread

We want to bring in

Hurley
Rance
Deledio
Gawn
Bartel
Barlow and more

And give up

No one coz they are all "great depth" and why take the risk let's just stick with what we have that isn't good enough and apparently they will improve and suddenly not be injured every second week.

Wow some of the stupidity in here hurts my head.

You do realise this thread is made up of different people saying different things right? Or have you been thinking you've been talking to the same person with different names the whole time?

Point me towards the person who said they want all those players without giving up anyone.

Stop cherry picking bullshit to try to make yourself feel smarter than everyone. The amount of times you try to call everyone here stupid while saying something stupid is mind-boggling.

 

[Mattdougie]

You do realise this thread is made up of different people saying different things right? Or have you been thinking you've been talking to the same person with different names the whole time?

Point me towards the person who said they want all those players without giving up anyone.

Stop cherry picking bullshit to try to make yourself feel smarter than everyone. The amount of times you try to call everyone here stupid while saying something stupid is mind-boggling.

Feel better now do you?????

I was generalising on the comments as anyone with a brain could see so not surprised you missed it.