Mega Thread Trade/Draft/Delist SuperMegaUltrathread - 2016/17 offseason edition

[ChampRevesby]

So would you like the negotiation plans to be published by the club so that fans are kept abreast of developments?

Of course not, just the club coming out strong talking about filling gaps in our list with quality players like Mitchell. This is not unique, Geelong did it with Paddy, Sydney with Buddy, list goes on.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Of course not, just the club coming out strong talking about filling gaps in our list with quality players like Mitchell. This is not unique, Geelong did it with Paddy, Sydney with Buddy, list goes on.

I don't recall Sydney ever coming out and saying they were pursuing Buddy. The news he's signed with them came out of the blue.

 

[ChampRevesby]

I don't recall Sydney ever coming out and saying they were pursuing Buddy. The news he's signed with them came out of the blue.

Alright I'll shut up about it then. I guess he is the sort that will get better offers from a Vic based club anyway. I'm sure we will go back to the draft and wait a few years to see if it pays off.

 

[Spartan]

I don't really have a problem with the club being quiet on its trading targets and plans.

However the disappointing thing for me is that historically we don't seem to go hard at the A grade targets. I'm not talking about any and all players, but the ones that would clearly add value to the team. Now I guess the caveat is that we do go after these players, behind the scenes, but time and time again we are unsuccessful. However that again is in itself probably as much (if not more) of a worry.

 

[ChampRevesby]

I don't really have a problem with the club being quiet on its trading targets and plans.

However the disappointing thing for me is that historically we don't seem to go hard at the A grade targets. I'm not talking about any and all players, but the ones that would clearly add value to the team. Now I guess the caveat is that we do go after these players, behind the scenes, but time and time again we are unsuccessful. However that again is in itself probably as much (if not more) of a worry.

Maybe we do but players don't want the burden of relocating west with the extra travel that entails? But how do we know if the club doesn't say anything about it? Or they are trade pussies? who knows.

 

[2006_Eagles]

Good pickup. I've just consulted with a scientician and it appears "more than zero" is in fact not zero.

 

[Spartan]

Maybe we do but players don't want the burden of relocating west with the extra travel that entails? But how do we know if the club doesn't say anything about it? Or they are trade pussies? who knows.

Well that's what I said. Either we aren't going after the big guns (for whatever reason) or we are and we just can't get them to come over here.

 

[nameless]

Of course not, just the club coming out strong talking about filling gaps in our list with quality players like Mitchell. This is not unique, Geelong did it with Paddy, Sydney with Buddy, list goes on.

Sydney with Buddy was not that common - all the talk was he was going to GWS.

You're also more likely to hear of trades with Vic teams given all the main AFL journalists are in Victoria so they're getting more news from those clubs...

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

TBH i dont think this is the draft for elite talents. All of brodie, mcgrath, mcluggage and sps have question marks over their game and how it will translate to afl. However the big thing is that there is a lot of depth of talent in this draft pool and we could find AFL quality players all the way deep into the rookie draft. I would be much more inclined to look at trading this years first and next years first for gold coasts 21,22,24 and 27. Hopefully pick up either 20 or 28 from brisbane for Emac and go into this draft with 6 second round picks. Guys like rotham, spp, sharenberg, simpkin, drew, bolton, ryan should all be on the board for these picks as well as hopefully waterman with our third rounder and jeremy goddard with our fourth. Even guys like clarke, fisher, galluci have their reasons and points to being drafted in the first half of the second round.

Am liking the concept. I expect Brisbane to be able to afford Emac's salary so we would get some good picks and salary space.

Then a cadre of 5 or 6 guns that would build and go through together with the likes of Sheed, Duggan, Nelson, etc

 

[2006_Eagles]

more than zero is....still zero

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

I don't really have a problem with the club being quiet on its trading targets and plans.

However the disappointing thing for me is that historically we don't seem to go hard at the A grade targets. I'm not talking about any and all players, but the ones that would clearly add value to the team. Now I guess the caveat is that we do go after these players, behind the scenes, but time and time again we are unsuccessful. However that again is in itself probably as much (if not more) of a worry.

Biggest problem is convincing an A-grade target to move to Perth if he's not from here would be almost impossible. So that realistically limits us to WA products, of which there's only a handful. OMeara wanting to move to Melbourne because of his GF is a pain, otherwise I can't think of any WA products who've been convinced to leave their club at all. Other than Bennell who had significant baggage and then didn't get on the park all year.

 

[ChampRevesby]

Well that's what I said. Either we aren't going after the big guns (for whatever reason) or we are and we just can't get them to come over here.

I have never heard a story of the Eagles putting a huge offer on the table to lure A-grade talent (I'm sure one of the experts will set me straight). We appear to be a club that is happy to develop through the draft.

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

So just setting out that example:

WCE trade: 2017 1st rounder
GWS trade: Pick 15

(We'd be banking on making a prelim next year, GWS banking on us doing worse than that)

WCE trade: Pick 12, pick 15, pick 30 (3,009 points)
GC trade: Pick 4, pick 21 (2,902 points)

Leaves us with picks 4 (SPS/Brodie), 21 (SPP?) and 48 which is hopefully enough to match a bid on Waterman.

But no first-rounder next year.

I think you are devaluing our future 1st rounder .
IMO it has a higher value than a current 1st rounder . When Melbourne and Carlton ( cats 1st) traded future picks they got better value than the current ladder position on that pick .

So trading our future 1st which should be valued a bit higher than our current ladder position for Gws pick 15 is a loss .

Also GC have stated they will want future picks as they have 4 early second rounders they can use for academy picks this year . The afl said they can use those picks as they
changed the rules after they had accumulated those picks .

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

I have never heard a story of the Eagles putting a huge offer on the table to lure A-grade talent (I'm sure one of the experts will set me straight). We appear to be a club that is happy to develop through the draft.

Not sure about putting offers on the table but we were pretty heavily into Daniel Wells a few years back, before his injury woes.

 

[Spartan]

Biggest problem is convincing an A-grade target to move to Perth if he's not from here would be almost impossible. So that realistically limits us to WA products, of which there's only a handful. OMeara wanting to move to Melbourne because of his GF is a pain, otherwise I can't think of any WA products who've been convinced to leave their club at all. Other than Bennell who had significant baggage and then didn't get on the park all year.

I would like to think that we are at least making a pitch at players who we want that are not from WA despite how difficult it might be to convince them to come over. The question is are we?

Don't get me started on Bennell. Such a low risk for huge reward and would have added so much to our midfield. I get the baggage and all the drama and sure missing this year sucks for Bennell/Freo but if he comes out next year (and beyond) and tears it up (which I think he will) then Freo are laughing hysterically.. and if he doesn't then 'meh' they didn't lose much at all.

 

[Keys]

Of course not, just the club coming out strong talking about filling gaps in our list with quality players like Mitchell. This is not unique, Geelong did it with Paddy, Sydney with Buddy, list goes on.

Sydney didn't say a word about Buddy until the deal was announced. Not a single word. Kept it a secret.

Geelong had no hope of keeping a story quiet about a Geelong boy potentially coming home as a FA

Carlton kept the Judd move quiet until he announced he was leaving West Coast

Often clubs announcing they are going after someone don't end up with the target so what benefit is there for the Eagles making it known they are chasing Mitchell or anybody else. Keeps supporters happy making it look like they're doing something.

Maybe we've approached Mitchell's management and have been told he isn't interested in moving west and only wants to go to Victoria

Maybe our main focus is Lobb so we're pursuing that

Maybe they just don't want to let the world know what they're trying to do

 

[Dark Sharks]

Jesse Hogan spotted @ Listen Out on Sunday afternoon in Joondalup...
Get him down to preseason training asap

I heard he jumped the fence

 

[ChampRevesby]

Maybe they just don't want to let the world know what they're trying to do

Historically speaking, I guess not a lot.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

I think you are devaluing our future 1st rounder .
IMO it has a higher value than a current 1st rounder . When Melbourne and Carlton ( cats 1st) traded future picks they got better value than the current ladder position on that pick .

You can't say there's a blanket rule that next year's picks have more value than the equivalent pick this year. Especially based on those two trades which involved multiple picks (and in Carlton's case, four players) also changing hands.

The value of the pick will depend largely on how the clubs rate this year's vs next year's draft and where they think the club linked to the pick (in this case, WCE) is likely to finish next year.

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

TBH i dont think this is the draft for elite talents. All of brodie, mcgrath, mcluggage and sps have question marks over their game and how it will translate to afl. However the big thing is that there is a lot of depth of talent in this draft pool and we could find AFL quality players all the way deep into the rookie draft. I would be much more inclined to look at trading this years first and next years first for gold coasts 21,22,24 and 27. Hopefully pick up either 20 or 28 from brisbane for Emac and go into this draft with 6 second round picks. Guys like rotham, spp, sharenberg, simpkin, drew, bolton, ryan should all be on the board for these picks as well as hopefully waterman with our third rounder and jeremy goddard with our fourth. Even guys like clarke, fisher, galluci have their reasons and points to being drafted in the first half of the second round.

The likelihood hood of getting elite talented mid is much better at the top of the draft and with our track record of failed 2nd round speculative picks I would rather have a no brainer pick 4 .
After those top 4 non academy players it gets iffy for me but those top 4 mcgrath mcluggage brodie and SPP will all be very good barring injury

 

[Keys]

Historically speaking, I guess not a lot.

Over the last 5 years we've brought in -

Hill
Cripps
Wellingham
Yeo
Redden
Jetta
Ellis
Giles

With the exception of Giles all those players have been or were brought in to be best 22 so to say we've been inactive at the trade table is a furphy.

Just because we haven't brought in a bona fide a grader doesn't mean we haven't tried and may well mean the asking price is too high

 

[ChampRevesby]

Over the last 5 years we've brought in -

Hill
Cripps
Wellingham
Yeo
Redden
Jetta
Ellis
Giles

With the exception of Giles all those players have been or were brought in to be best 22 so to say we've been inactive at the trade table is a furphy.

Just because we haven't brought in a bona fide a grader doesn't mean we haven't tried and may well mean the asking price is too high

All but Redden, Ellis and Giles are home town boys so they didn't have to do a lot to get them into the club.
I guess my point is about not knowing if the club has tried really hard and put up huge offers to get in A-grade talent. We historically have not done that (not that I know of)

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

You can't say there's a blanket rule that next year's picks have more value than the equivalent pick this year. Especially based on those two trades which involved multiple picks (and in Carlton's case, four players) also changing hands.

The value of the pick will depend largely on how the clubs rate this year's vs next year's draft and where they think the club linked to the pick (in this case, WCE) is likely to finish next year.

I agree with that but if future first picks are in demand won't they be held at a higher value ?

GC will want future picks or they will end up with picks and points they can't use going to waste. The trading for accumulated late picks has been abolished so future first picks will be much more valuable to academy clubs than future second and thirds with the new rules .

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

I agree with that but if future first picks are in demand won't they be held at a higher value ?

GC will want future picks or they will end up with picks and points they can't use going to waste. The trading for accumulated late picks has been abolished so future first picks will be much more valuable to academy clubs than future second and thirds with the new rules .

I hadn't realized they had so many picks in the 20s to be honest. If they'd want our 2017 first rounder then yeah we may as well just give them that rather than trying to involve a third side in the deal.

 

[Spartan]

Over the last 5 years we've brought in -

Hill
Cripps
Wellingham
Yeo
Redden
Jetta
Ellis
Giles

With the exception of Giles all those players have been or were brought in to be best 22 so to say we've been inactive at the trade table is a furphy.

Just because we haven't brought in a bona fide a grader doesn't mean we haven't tried and may well mean the asking price is too high

How many on that list are players that wanted to come home and nominated us as opposed to us identifying them and chasing them? Agree that we have been active during the trade period in recent years, but we appear to be adding B grade talent as opposed to A grade talent.

Also agree with your last comment, I'm sure a lot of things go on behind the scenes but more often than not no matter how sneaky you are things will come out after the fact.. and to date I can't remember a single A grade or top end talent that we have at least had a crack at. Now maybe we've been having a crack right at the start and been given a flat out no.. I guess only the club knows that.