Universal Love 2016/2017 Pre-season Thread

[marty36]

Considering the bulk of the pictures are of first and second year players, comparing them to Goodes and Dangerfield isn't realistic.

Considering the bulk of the pictures are of first and second year players, comparing them to Goodes and Dangerfield isn't realistic.

It was this guy and yes if you want to keep up with the best you need to get strong

 

[marty36]

If you want to keep posting random pics of bulky footballers go right ahead. If you haven't kept up with the latest in body management I cant help you

Ive mentioned three Kennedy, Dangerfield and Ablett, wandering where they sit in the scheme of things in todays game, but you said the big bulky types went out 5 years ago, I didnt even put Fyfe up and he aint no slight lean player with core strenght and no muscle. Ill put one more up with him being tackled by the brownlow medalist Fyfe another lean running mid

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Wow Wayne. Looks like the local coffee here has given you Alex's spelling and grammar abilities.

Sorry ....phone in one hand, coffee in the other

 

[dude316]

Bunnings says hello

Funny thing is, we waited in line at the sausage sizzle for about 15 minutes and it didn't move, so we ended up going to Bunnings on Pt Road on the way home for a sausage instead.

 

[Squiba]

Suss this massive rig, one of, if not the most vital cog in the reigning premier's side. Absolute jet.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Pretty stock standard training really, nothing too exciting going on.

Knight was absolutely everywhere in all the drills and gives his all. Can't wait to have him back, think he will have a massive impact on our running game if he stays fit!
Hampton and Menzel were quite impressive until it came to the running at the end. Hampton especially in the midfield drills was killing it with his spread from the contest.
Lever looks great also and has really added some size.
Every time I go and see Gore at training, he is nailing these 30m daisy cutters and looks a million dollars with his technique and dash. Doesn't deliver that as often on game day however
Gallucci in a similar sense looked really good for a first year, skills were tidy and was very zippy.
There was one kid there who looked great in everything and his skills were awesome, turned out to be Jackson Edwards. Kids frame is so solidly built already, looks a great prospect and I'm excited by him already and he's still a year away.
Poholke is a serious unit for a first year, could very easily play round 1 and not get pushed around. Showed good aggression too.
Doedee is the same, bloke is maaassive and in great shape also. Milera had his measure in the first few running drills they did at the end, but Doedee wasn't far behind and reeled him in the last of the 3.
Smith was keeping up with Sloane which was good to see, considering he's been a bit of a party animal of late...
I noticed also a few of our senior players like Sloane, Talia, Hartigan and even Tex were looking just that little bit leaner again still.

Lastly, Signorello has to be possibly the most uncoordinated and gangly looking footballer I have ever seen. The fact that he can kick and mark a footy as well as he can just doesn't make sense. There is just something about his body language and the way he moves that look so, so weird. But hey, it works so can't complain!

Apart from the younger guys who were all rotating through various activities, Lynch, JJ, Thompson and Seedsman didn't train, with Seedsman being the only unknown for me, maube managing a niggle? Douglas also seemed to be on a limited program and did his own thing towards the end.

Exactly as i saw it as well .....great observations

 

[marty36]

Suss this massive rig, one of, if not the most vital cog in the reigning premier's side. Absolute jet.

You never know he might become as good as Danger, Kennedy, Ablett, Fyfe, Priddis when he puts on a bit more bulk

 

[Squiba]

You never know he might become as good as Danger, Kennedy, Ablett, Fyfe, Priddis when he puts on a bit more bulk

How big were Fyfe, Dangerfield and Ablett in their first and second years?

You think it is only bulk that got them to that level? Why isn't Jack Redpath the best player in the AFL in that case?

 

[marty36]

How big were Fyfe, Dangerfield and Ablett in their first and second years?

You think it is only bulk that got them to that level? Why isn't Jack Redpath the best player in the AFL in that case?

My comment was they were looking a bit lean, and they needed to bulk up at bit, before being told by GreyCrow that went out 5 years ago, bulk wasnt required .

But obviously you agree, muscle is the way to go when you look at Danger, Fyfe, Kennedy , Ablett, Priddis

 

[Squiba]

My comment was they were looking a bit lean, and they needed to bulk up at bit, before being told by GreyCrow that went out 5 years ago, bulk wasnt required .

But obviously you agree, muscle is the way to go when you look at Danger, Fyfe, Kennedy , Ablett, Priddis

"Muscle is the way to go" With years in an AFL system and without sacrificing speed, agility, endurance...

The pictures were mainly of first and second year players Marty. Too young to be carrying efficient weight. The blokes you have shown are in their prime or older.

 

[marty36]

"Muscle is the way to go" With years in an AFL system and without sacrificing speed, agility, endurance...

The pictures were mainly of first and second year players Marty. Too young to be carrying efficient weight. The blokes you have shown are in their prime or older.

Correct, and it doesnt change my comment that they are lean and need to get in the gym and put on some beef, but grey crow says that went out 5 years ago, someone forgot to tell Danger, Fyfe, Kennedy, Priddis and Ablett, I guess it hasnt affected them.

Im not saying they will wack 5 kilos of muscle on over summer although, could help them with some hints there, it will take time to put on lean muscle but they have a bit of work to do, probably why those first year players wont have an impact this year.

 

[MRB37]

I dunno, we tried that bulk up thing in 2013 and it didn't work out well at all.

 

[marty36]

I dunno, we tried that bulk up thing in 2013 and it didn't work out well at all.

I find the teams that dominated like Hawthorn, Geelong, and Brisbane had bulk on there side

 

[Squiba]

Correct, and it doesnt change my comment that they are lean and need to get in the gym and put on some beef, but grey crow says that went out 5 years ago, someone forgot to tell Danger, Fyfe, Kennedy, Priddis and Ablett, I guess it hasnt affected them.

Im not saying they will wack 5 kilos of muscle on over summer although, could help them with some hints there, it will take time to put on lean muscle but they have a bit of work to do, probably why those first year players wont have an impact this year.

Yep, but aside from Doedee and Poholke I can't see any being truly big within 4 years.

Would rather they develop slowly then be more or less muscle bound without the aerobic base

 

[marty36]

Yep, but aside from Doedee and Poholke I can't see any being truly big within 4 years.

Would rather they develop slowly then be more or less muscle bound without the aerobic base

Can see them being knocked around a bit until then!

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Training Report .....21st Dec 2016

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Firstly great crowd showed up, took me most of the session to work out who was who ......some wearing full Santa suits, Eddie a Santa dress .....and nearly all players wearing Santa hats ......who the F...k could tell anyone apart, then the changing of colored tops constantly made the identification process near on impossible

Last years session was all about kicking into the forward 50 ...20-30mtr spot up kicks to congested leading players ....today it was a lot of ball up contested work

That said , star performers just stick out & you simply can't miss them

All players look in great nick,many have a different build, some heavier, some lighter .. and you left the session really feeling there's a list chock full of talent

Players i simply could not find & therefore cannot comment ....Greenwood, Milera, Seedsman, .....Jenkins didn't train & Lynch, who i've never seen lighter or better condition, made cameo appearances

Charlie wore a strange training outfit that made him look like an Academy schoolboy .....so small he looked that i even thought he may have been Jarman from a distance ....so didn't pay a lot of attention to him, thinking he was an Academy associate of Edwards

Draftees
Agree completely that Sig is so uncoordinated, so skinny, that he will not be ready till 2019 at the earliest. His running was impressive being last on the first full oval boundary run, but improved with each run ......has very good hands though, but looks a real schoolboy footballer ATM

Sig was still getting confused with some of the drills

My pick of the draftees has to be Himmelberg ....not through athletic exploits today, but his on-field moves and marking maneuverings .....make no mistake, this kid can play and has a football brain!

Gallucci is already to play AFL now ...his kicking today no problems short, but can't comment on long kicks. He's quick we know, but in the aerobic running he was nothing stand-out .......AFL players have a sharpness about how they move and execute on the field ....Gallucci and Poholke still look to be traveling at Vic Metro levels & will take at least until the 2nd half of the season to have any show of a game this year .....IMO unlikely

Jarman ? .....didn't notice, so on todays session Meh!

Main Group

Gee, i eventually identified most players, but the talls, nah .....so won't comment

The stars of the session from my perspective were:

Hampton .....this guy left nothing on the field today, and was dominant in the midfield, where he trained .....mean looking athlete, who is quick and was simply outstanding

Menzel .....i mentioned b4 that AFL star players have a sharpness and self confidence in their presence on the field ......Menzel will play a lot of AFL this year, today he was playing HF and man, everything he did was at pace and full of class ......he's now ready !!

He was running multiple lines after disposing to follow-up for another disposal .....worked his arse off

Knight .....not a lot new from Knight, but he was in the midfield today & was a standout, being aggressive and quick .....pencil him in !

Milera ......didn't see much of his training, but he's certainly bigger than last year, and his full oval lap running had him clearly in front of draftees

Brad Crouch .....guy has spent solid time in the gym, unusual for him, and looks a million dollars .....just trained as a star player should

Other Comments
CEY looks in the best shape i've seen .....but after training, frankly i didn't see anything that i haven't seen b4 .....honestly, other players mentioned were noticeably bigger / thinner / faster / improved .....think he'll need some luck

Betts .....can't believe the cult status by supporters .....he's now almost at "Rockstar" levels

Gore .....hasn't put on any bulk, as he needed to do, and didn't standout today ....what's that tell us ??

Harry Dear ......big big muscular unit ....bigger than Jenkins

Jake Kelly ......easily winning distance running ......and easily still missing targets by foot

That was hard today ...questions?

 

[DD#23]

These bulky guys simply struggle dont they as they are 5 years to late View attachment 321494

they can run rings around Thommo mate.

 

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[Danger in Texas]

Cheers, Wayne's-World

What was the main difference that you saw from Menz this year, compared to last? What made you think he's AFL-ready now? I'd say he already had that class last year, was it that he was getting a lot more of the ball/harder at it/conditioned better? Good to hear that he and Hampton were ripping it up, though.

Great to hear that Gallucci's kicking looked good, too. Sounds like he looked like a potential AFL footballer out there (once he develops his aerobic capacity). Did Poholke stand out in any way?

Also, how was Rat?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Cheers, Wayne's-World

What was the main difference that you saw from Menz this year, compared to last? What made you think he's AFL-ready now? I'd say he already had that class last year, was it that he was getting a lot more of the ball/harder at it/conditioned better? Good to hear that he and Hampton were ripping it up, though.

Great to hear that Gallucci's kicking looked good, too. Sounds like he looked like a potential AFL footballer out there (once he develops his aerobic capacity). Did Poholke stand out in any way?

Also, how was Rat?

Rat was very solid & have to admit didn't pay much attention to him

Poholke was solid as you'd expect a first year draftee .....nothing standout that would suggest he'll play any games in 2017 ......has a lot of conditioning and sharpening up to do

Menzel, just looked like an AFL player ......trained hard all session at pace, worked to more contests than last year ....last year he would dispose and stand, this year he ran maybe 50-60 mtrs after disposing to get another opportunity .....to answer your question, much sharper, fitter, and working harder

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Sorry, the other player that impressed was Otten .....trimmer and moving very nicely, not lumbering at all

 

[Danger in Texas]

Sorry, the other player that impressed was Otten .....trimmer and moving very nicely, not lumbering at all

Looks quite round to me?

 

[Pdub]

Sorry, the other player that impressed was Otten .....trimmer and moving very nicely, not lumbering at all

Had almost forgotten Otten is still on the list. Usually takes blokes 24 months to return to pre-ACL injury form, he could be useful player.