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I don't see anything wrong with those effects? Look's cool
Movie Star Wars: The Force Awakens - *Spoilers & Rumours inside*
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Also that shot was cut from the release
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That is sexy!!! Wish they used that, missed opportunity.Nah
Oh well we still have VaderPorn.
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Nah
Yeah, early concept art, not used in the movie. Had it as my wallpaper a year and half before the movie came out.
Still looks good.
Keep trying.
That was from the very first trailer right?
The one where they showed Kylo with his cross guard light saber. Which also didn't make the final cut.
The one where they showed Kylo with his cross guard light saber. Which also didn't make the final cut.
This is the one. In fact even that shot of Rey on her speeder didn't make it either.
Bit of a trait in movies recently, some scenes are specifically shot for trailers.
He is a goth with a pre teen personality who sulks. The type of kid you just want to punch in the face for being pathetic. he is as bad a character as jar jar binks. the story needs an intriguing villain and he is not in the slightest. Brings the whole movie down.
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No that was the prequal Anakin.
Ben is played and written much better.
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Kylo is everything a young adult struggling with succumbing to the dark side should be. He isn't sure of himself, he's got a temper, he is impatient, he is conflicted, and his ability to use the force fluctuates wildly.
He is different to Anakin so it is difficult to compare, but as this stage he is a more nuanced character for sure.
He is different to Anakin so it is difficult to compare, but as this stage he is a more nuanced character for sure.
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He is the most interesting Villain in Star Wars.
Vader was a bad ass and awesome, still is (thanks R1) but he was just plain evil. There wasnt much to him from a character stand point.
The emotion stuff with Ben makes it much more interesting.
Anakin was a just whining bitch (that could be writing or acting or both)
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When you keep the prequels in mind watching the OT, it actually fleshes out Vader more. Dare I say it improves the character. For instance his unquestioned submission to the Emperor becomes a thing. Let's be honest, Vader was bit of a wimp in Jedi, but now its a consistent character trait. Likewise his insistence on saving Luke, of killing Luke being the last resort. It makes sense given the way in which he fell to the darkside, and the love he had for Padme, for Lukes mum.
It's a shame really. These things should have been laid on the surface in the prequels, would have improved them immensely, instead you have to look for them and reach for something, thats plausibly there... but could also not be.
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The Emperor has always been my favourite villain. Prequels made him better
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He was the only 1 who benefited from them. Actually Obi as well.
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A couple of excellent fan based alternate prequel ideas are floating around, one I saw on Youtube the other day, and another a while back. They basically keep the prequels as they are, but portray the Jedi more negatively - the entire premise being that the Jedi v Sith battle is not good v bad, but simply two conflicting ideologies. With that in mind, Mace Windu becomes a dogmatic and dangerous fundamentalist, who demands strict adherence to the code, so his attitude to Anakin is far more hostile. Mace tries to assassinate Padme when he finds out about their marriage, and right there is a perfect reason for Anakin to feel betrayed and snap to the point where he wants to destroy the order, and join the dark side. It also gives room for Anakin's character to be much stronger and more self-righteous from the start, which is much more in keeping with the badass we met in 1977. Obi-Wan is a weak teacher, Yoda is a senile fundamentalist, Qui-Gon is a dangerous rule breaking maverick with a strong link to Dooku and sympathies for the dark side (why didn't they make something real of this when they brought it all up in the Geonosian lockup in EII...?) and Padme, a person of power, hooks up with a strong figure, an equal, instead of being a person of power who inexplicably hooks up with the whiny brat she babysat once. The emperor remains the same...why wouldn't he, he's perfect as he is...!
A fundamental truth in history is that everyone thinks he or she is on the right side...even Hitler thought of himself as a good bloke looking out for his mates. We've called the Jedi the good guys for the last forty years, but they are blatant bigots (the way Qui Gon talks to Jar Jar*), kidnappers of children who are then indoctrinated and raised to become child soldiers, opposed to love and marriage, and sworn to destroy their rivals the Sith in cold blood. So having Darth Vader making conscious choices to join a particular group because he thought he should from the start (instead of that weird submission thing he had going on ten seconds after killing Windu) lets him keep his dominating persona from the OT, but allows us to also see the "conflict within" him Luke alludes to...his strong adherence to family, which sees him reject the Jedi in the first place, is now threatened again when the Emperor tries to kill Luke...consistency in his character...
If I rewrote the prequels, I'd go this way, and also make Jar-Jar a dark side manipulator as has been theorised on the net...something has to be done about him...!
* On a side note, does anyone else think that Leia referring to Chewbacca as a walking carpet to his face is akin to any politician referring to any cultural group by crude nicknames...? She's a senator, and surely familiar with the species known as Wookies, because they sit in the senate right next to her as supposed equals, so it is the equivalent of a comment that would see a politician sacked in this day and age. Vote 1 Leia Organa, your local One Nation candidate...
A fundamental truth in history is that everyone thinks he or she is on the right side...even Hitler thought of himself as a good bloke looking out for his mates. We've called the Jedi the good guys for the last forty years, but they are blatant bigots (the way Qui Gon talks to Jar Jar*), kidnappers of children who are then indoctrinated and raised to become child soldiers, opposed to love and marriage, and sworn to destroy their rivals the Sith in cold blood. So having Darth Vader making conscious choices to join a particular group because he thought he should from the start (instead of that weird submission thing he had going on ten seconds after killing Windu) lets him keep his dominating persona from the OT, but allows us to also see the "conflict within" him Luke alludes to...his strong adherence to family, which sees him reject the Jedi in the first place, is now threatened again when the Emperor tries to kill Luke...consistency in his character...
If I rewrote the prequels, I'd go this way, and also make Jar-Jar a dark side manipulator as has been theorised on the net...something has to be done about him...!
* On a side note, does anyone else think that Leia referring to Chewbacca as a walking carpet to his face is akin to any politician referring to any cultural group by crude nicknames...? She's a senator, and surely familiar with the species known as Wookies, because they sit in the senate right next to her as supposed equals, so it is the equivalent of a comment that would see a politician sacked in this day and age. Vote 1 Leia Organa, your local One Nation candidate...
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This falls apart when you remember the Sith murder innocents and the Jedi do not. Nice fan theory, but it's trying too hard.
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Fmd, I bumped this thread to stop derailing R1 with prequel talk and I've just ended up derailing another thread with prequel talk.
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TFA and Rogue One = fan service movies
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And yet still s**t on the prequals from a great height
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Rogue One essentially replaces the Prequels it's that good.
It's not a fan theory, it's a reimagining of the prequels.
a) It's Star Wars. It's all good.
b) It's 288+ pages and due to end its run anyway.
c) Rogue 1 will not be able to escape comparison to the prequels or where it fits into the OT.
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I enjoyed and had fun with TFA even with some issues.
The prequals lacked the "fun" element even though they tried to have it. There was no thrill.
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It's a reimagining of the prequels, not an analysis. Therefore, any changes are fair game, and none of what's suggested is extreme anyway. One of these writings is entitled something like "Lucas had the perfect trilogy there in front of him the whole time and didn't make use of what he'd already invented"...
Having said that, you have no basis to make that claim. The line of "innocence" is a blurry one when it comes to war, and I'd argue that the killing of a couple of million Death Star personnel crosses that sanctimonious line (watch Clerks - he's totally spot on...!). I was recently watching the blu-ray SW features, specifically a deleted scene of Greedo pointing his gun at Han, where he makes reference to the bodies on the floor and stating that one more (Han) won't be noticed - those bodies were Dr Evazan and Pondo Baba, who'd just been attacked by Obi-Wan with a light saber and not mind tricks. The definite meaning behind Windu's comment "forcibly removed from power" to the other Jedi regarding Palpatine (EIII, they're in the transport) is arrest or assassination, whatever is required.
On the other hand, I recall no instance of a Sith attempting to kill anyone who wasn't in the same category as those mentioned above - enemy soldiers, star destroyer bridge officers, senators from Naboo, Jedi sure, but at no stage in the SW movies do we see an ordinary pleb with no military affiliations cut down by a Sith...again, unlike the Clerks scenario...!
Ok...just ignore the in-depth nature of the rant I was in the middle of when you just posted that then...it's Saturday morning, coffee in hand, on BF talking s**t...we work hard to get to this point every week...
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