Play Nice 45th President of the United States - Donald Trump (continued in Part 2)

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Ha that is one variety of fake news, but there are doubtless other news that fits description of "fake news".

None of which you can adequately define.

 

[Werewolf]

The US should lead by example and not stoop to the level of those seven (and other) countries

Green = Israeli passports rejected, Dark Green = Passports stamped by Israel rejected

 

[Betty Noir]

Of course black lives matter. Anyone with half a brain realises that.

The #blacklivesmatter movement is mostly a divisive hate group that spouts false narratives ("Hands Up, Don't Shoot" was based on a completely proven lie) and whose members chant for the murder of police officers. You don't need to support this group to support black rights.

Much of the conflict has been based around yet another selective interpretation by the fringe right that claimed outrage by stating that the BLM slogan states "white lives don't matter".
So yeah they start pushing back and few people today understand peaceful protest.

 

[cannot]

The problem with fake news is people are dismissing it.

The news has always been biased. Look at the yellow journalism that started the Spanish-American War. But the difference is that instead of people understanding the bias, they're instead dismissing the whole content of the article and subsequently the organization. This is due to some orgs (most notably Breitbart) publishing outright lies as fact.

What people need to do is become more aware of editorialising.

But nope, apparently CNN and the NYT are 'fake'.

fake news has always been a thing, from old times to the american gov. agencies playing funny buggers with american MSM, most of which is owned by a handful of people

hence people think its bullshit

None of which you can adequately define.

when were you made the overseer of the fake news terminology agin? did sir trump induct you ?

 

[Jello_B]

4 of them already did

Haha who?

 

[cannot]

Haha who?

no idea, i was getting at out of the number of hillary-fans hollywood/music types that threatened to leave "to go to the freedom land of canada" only a couple did

gutless wonders , twitter heros

 

[VineyIsLORD]

Of course black lives matter. Anyone with half a brain realises that.

The #blacklivesmatter movement is mostly a divisive hate group that spouts false narratives ("Hands Up, Don't Shoot" was based on a completely proven lie) and whose members chant for the murder of police officers. You don't need to support this group to support black rights.

Incorrect.

 

[Jello_B]

no idea, i was getting at out of the number of hillary-fans hollywood/music types that threatened to leave "to go to the freedom land of canada" only a couple did

gutless wonders , twitter heros

I don't think any of them did, but I could be wrong.

 

[FireKrakouer]

because conservatives are more prone to being emotionally triggered.

Bit of a cheeky thing to say in a thread where there has just been 10 pages of hysteria from the progressives.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

Advice for Those Weighing Jobs in the Trump Administration

Assessing the risks of service

David Frum 6:00 AM ET

Some 40 people were indicted as a result of the Watergate scandal. Among those sentenced to prison: the attorney general of the United States, the White House counsel, and President Nixon’s two most senior White House aides. A dozen men were convicted or pled guilty to a range of charges after the Iran-Contra affair.

White Houses can be dangerous places under leadership that does not respect the law. When friends ask me, “Should I accept a job under President Trump?” it’s not merely a philosophical question. Answer the question wrong, and they may find themselves two or three years later facing a congressional investigation or possibly even a grand jury. Even those who never face charges—let alone conviction—can see their lives up-ended: As the saying goes, in Washington, the process is the punishment.

So how should a public-spirited person respond to an invitation to serve the country during the Trump years?

Let’s start by assessing the four basic risks:

1) This administration has begun its career by shredding post-Watergate ethical standards. Trump has not effectively severed his connections to his business interests. He will not release his tax returns. The Trump Organization seems—at best—indifferent to appearances of commercial exploitation of the presidency. Anybody in the vicinity of Trump's finances, or those of his family, stands in danger of being caught in some future scandal, including tax and corruption investigations.

2) There remain disturbing unanswered questions about the relationship between the Trump campaign and Russian spy services. The new national security adviser, Michael Flynn, accepted payments from RT, the Russian state propaganda network. (He has refused to disclose the amount.) The legal hazards presented by clandestine contacts with hostile foreign governments are even more alarming than those connected to financial wrongdoing.

3) This administration lies a lot. Lying by public officials is usually unethical, but not always illegal. As White House senior counselor Kellyanne Conway said during the Trump transition: “Nobody on TV is ever under oath.” But there are times when administration officials do speak under oath. Lying then becomes perjury. Lying to Congress is always illegal, whether under oath or not. People who habitually lie, lie habitually. Those who work with them can face trouble, even possibly obstruction of charges if they enable such lying: President Clinton’s White House counsel Bernie Nussbaum had to resign under fire in 1994 after other government officials alleged that his legal advice in the Whitewater matter amounted to the organization of a coverup.

4) Sometimes new administrations find themselves obliged to execute laws they disagree with. Changing the law can be slow. Ignoring the law takes much less time—but also opens the door to trouble. Ronald Reagan’s first EPA chief, Ann Gorsuch, entered history in 1982 as the first agency head to be cited for contempt of Congress. Gorsuch believed that the Carter administration had imposed excessive regulatory burdens. So she simply disregarded them. Convinced, for example, that the inherited rules on lead standards in gasoline were too onerous, she assured one refiner that she would leave the rule unenforced until such time as it could be amended. Gorsuch not only ended in disgrace herself, but embroiled two of her subordinates in perjury investigations.

So what is a patriotic American who’s been asked to serve to do? A few suggestions.

A law-abiding person will want to stay as far as possible from the personal service of President Trump. As demonstrated by the sad example of Press Secretary Sean Spicer spouting glaring lies on his first day on the job, this president will demand that his aides do improper things—and the low standards of integrity in Trump's entourage create a culture of conformity to those demands.

A wise patriot might be wary of working directly for or near Flynn or anybody else tied to the Russian state, the entities it controls, or Russian business interests. The National Security Council staff has engorged itself to such an enormous size in recent years—now some 400 people—that there are many important roles to fill, safely firewalled away from Flynn.

At the other departments or agencies of government, here’s the test: Odds are that the department or agency head will sooner or later be called upon to some improper thing at some point during the Trump administration. Do you trust him or her to say “No”? If not, you may find that improper demand relayed to you—or, even more ominously, you may find yourself involved in actions whose impropriety you only discover too late.

Donald Trump or no Donald Trump, the government of the United States must carry on. As a general rule, those asked to serve in national security roles—or other roles away from the White House—should do so, as long as they honorably and legally can.

If confronted with an improper or unethical situation, nobody need rush into career martyrdom. One of the heroes of Watergate—IRS Commissioner Johnnie Mac Walters—was asked to investigate individuals on Nixon’s “enemies list.” Walters, and his boss George Shultz, refused. Good people can do the right thing even under pressure. But be aware: The pressure to do the wrong thing can be intense—and the closer one approaches to the center of presidential power and prestige, the more intense the pressure becomes. It’s easy to imagine that you’d emulate Walters when reading the book he wrote four decades after the fact. But in the moment? In the Oval Office? Face to face with the president of the United States?

So maybe the very first thing to consider, if the invitation comes, is this: How well do you know yourself? How sure are you that you indeed would say no?

And then humbly consider this second troubling question: If the Trump administration were as convinced as you are that you would do the right thing—would they have asked you in the first place?

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/01/trump-administration-jobs/514805/

 

[Cooldude]

If so many people are detained, if they all use habeaus corpus, that's going to cause some kind of massive backlog in the courts. This way they can just be detained without having to worry about that.

Google translated that:

If we discriminate against so many people and they all use their guaranteed freedom by law, it's going to cause loads of problems, so let's just take away all that right, freedom and protection so that we can do whatever we want to them without having to worry about a thing!

Listen to yourself, you sound like a good ol' fascist

 

[CotchNCo]

when were you made the overseer of the fake news terminology agin? did sir trump induct you ?

It's pretty easy to understand.

The recent use of the term 'fake news' stems from what KD is talking about. Just because conservatives start throwing out "FAKE NEWS, FAKE NEWS" at every article they don't like, that doesn't mean the term suddenly becomes vague with no definition. If you don't understand it, that's on you.

 

[Maggie5]

And meanwhile...

President Donald Trump granted controversial adviser Steve Bannon a regular seat at meetings of the National Security Council on Saturday, in a presidential memorandum that brought the former Breitbart publisher into some of the most sensitive meetings at the highest levels of government.

The president named Bannon to the council in a reorganization of the NSC. He also said his son-in-law Jared Kushner and chief-of-staff Reince Priebus would have seats in the meetings.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/28/lo...

Trump also said the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff and the director of national intelligence, two of the most senior defense chiefs, will attend meetings only when discussions are related to their “responsibilities and expertise”.

 

[awaremind]

None of which you can adequately define.

Mainstream media,becomes effectively fake news when dessimating falsehoods, usually through the "evidence" of unknown sources, that fits an agenda, generally demonising enemies. Enemies can range from the less preferred local party to state actors. Usually there are skerricks of truth accompanied by outright lies, partial lies and untruths by omission. Often such articles are released to justify acts of aggression on the part of our governments.
I know this probably won't satisfy you, but some may appreciate my efforts.

 

[Betty Noir]

Fake news is a modern thingy. Another word for it is BS. It is fabricated fiction, from minds as fecund as mine... It has not a shred of truth or fact. Nothing like this has ever occurred... historically the news has been distorted, and manipulated... but never just created.
Don't misunderstand this. If you think it has any veracity you are wrong. It is 100% made up shit.
If you don't know this, we will have a failure to communicate.

 

[awaremind]

fake news has always been a thing, from old times to the american gov. agencies playing funny buggers with american MSM, most of which is owned by a handful of people

hence people think its bullshit



when were you made the overseer of the fake news terminology agin? did sir trump induct you ?

Maybe he's an intelligence services troll, it's their term, I guess they can define it how they like.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

fake news has always been a thing, from old times to the american gov. agencies playing funny buggers with american MSM, most of which is owned by a handful of people

hence people think its bullshit

when were you made the overseer of the fake news terminology agin? did sir trump induct you ?

You're talking about a bias within the msm to rely on officialdom, and corporate consolidation.

The concept of fake news in the context of the Trump election is neither of those things; it's what I posted above.

 

[Gough]

Fake news is modern thingy. Another word for it is BS. It is fabricated fiction, from minds as fecund as mine... It has not a shred of truth or fact. Nothing like this has ever occurred... historically the news has been distorted, and manipulated... but never just created.
Don't misunderstand this. If you think it has any veracity you are wrong. It is 100% made up shit.
If you don't know this, we will have a failure to communicate.

Lets call them lies. That's what they are.

 

[cannot]

Lets call them lies. That's what they are.

lies just start

2 months ago

If you don't understand it, that's on you.

 

[cannot]

You're talking about a bias within the msm to rely on officialdom, and corporate consolidation.

The concept of fake news in the context of the Trump election is neither of those things; it's what I posted above.

the other thing that happened, when fake news started

was pizzagate ..

http://freebeacon.com/politics/david-brock-memo-attack-trump/

 

[awaremind]

Fake news is modern thingy. Another word for it is BS. It is fabricated fiction, from minds as fecund as mine... It has not a shred of truth or fact. Nothing like this has ever occurred... historically the news has been distorted, and manipulated... but never just created.
Don't misunderstand this. If you think it has any veracity you are wrong. It is 100% made up shit.
If you don't know this, we will have a failure to communicate.

But as I lamented years ago in the media has cried wolf thread, msm has become almost all manipulation, almost no objectivity. Like Hilary being such a bad candidate trump won, msm is soo bad 100% fake stuff doesn't seem out of place.

 

[campbell]

And meanwhile...

President Donald Trump granted controversial adviser Steve Bannon a regular seat at meetings of the National Security Council on Saturday, in a presidential memorandum that brought the former Breitbart publisher into some of the most sensitive meetings at the highest levels of government.

The president named Bannon to the council in a reorganization of the NSC. He also said his son-in-law Jared Kushner and chief-of-staff Reince Priebus would have seats in the meetings.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/28/lo...

Trump also said the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff and the director of national intelligence, two of the most senior defense chiefs, will attend meetings only when discussions are related to their “responsibilities and expertise”.

so what on national security is his sonin laws level. ffs

 

[awaremind]

the other thing that happened, when fake news started

was pizzagate ..

Exactly fake news was a public relations department crisis management invention in response to pizzagate.

 

[LeverPuller]

And meanwhile...

President Donald Trump granted controversial adviser Steve Bannon a regular seat at meetings of the National Security Council on Saturday, in a presidential memorandum that brought the former Breitbart publisher into some of the most sensitive meetings at the highest levels of government.

The president named Bannon to the council in a reorganization of the NSC. He also said his son-in-law Jared Kushner and chief-of-staff Reince Priebus would have seats in the meetings.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/28/lo...

Trump also said the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff and the director of national intelligence, two of the most senior defense chiefs, will attend meetings only when discussions are related to their “responsibilities and expertise”.

He's going to declare a war without Pentagon oversight.

Holy shit there's actually going to be a coup.

 

[Jobe Watson]

Much of the conflict has been based around yet another selective interpretation by the fringe right that claimed outrage by stating that the BLM slogan states "white lives don't matter".
So yeah they start pushing back and few people today understand peaceful protest.

It's more so that it wasn't a very inclusive movement. Plenty of white unarmed people are wrongly shot by police too, but the BLM leaders didn't care about that (see: Dylan Noble). They'd rather push the false narrative that black people en masse were being unfairly murdered by racist police officers when the figures don't support it. And if you were a black person who didn't fall in line and dared to call them out on their bullshit, you were ostracized and attacked. Not to mention the rioting that destroyed innocent people's property, the chants for dead cops, and the fact that one of their great inspirations is a convicted cop killer who is on the FBI's Most Wanted List.

Police brutality is obviously an issue and I'm sure there are racist elements still in existence in the police force. But BLM did more harm to race relations than good.

Incorrect.

Which part? The part where BLM supporters chanted for dead cops (of which there is video evidence) and celebrated the deaths of the Dallas police officers on Twitter (of which there is photographic evidence), or the part where the Department of Justice found that the claim that Michael Brown had his hands up when he was shot had no basis whatsoever in physical and forensic evidence?