Hawthorn FC worst nightmare the 2017 Draft

[Strapping Young Lad]

"Weekly" was just hyperbole. But the updates through media statements and interviews have been quite frequent. I don't think I've ever seen the amount of updates for a minor injury issue as I have with JOM.

You must have been looking for them, because Hawthorn supporters have been questioning the club as to why there have not been more updates on JOM.

Do many players get their own half-time interview on national television during a game involving two unrelated teams just so they can tell the world "it's nothing serious"?

Are you talking about Ralph querying Clarkson after being asked to front the cameras and apologize to the umps?

Despite it occurring in the same knee — his right — the Hawks are adamant that the new injury is unrelated to the patella tendon injury that has plagued him since he ruptured the tendon in 2015 while at Gold Coast.

"It's a new issue, it's different to what we've had to deal with before with him".

I think you might be taking those words too literal. As I understand it they're saying it's "new" from the original injury he had at trade time.

Ben Stratton was close to a return this week from bone bruising after missing 4 games. As a 'crash and bash' inside mid, if JOM is going to miss 10+ weeks every time he gets a knee knock then that is genuinely frightening considering what Hawthorn paid for him.

We don't actually know the details of this "bone stress" or what exactly caused it, but being "genuinely frightening" is just more hyperboles

Really? HAWTHORN’S high-priced recruit Jaeger O’Meara has declared he will be fit to play after the club’s bye in three weeks... “I’m really confident that once I’ve done this little conditioning block that will give me a launching pad for the rest of the year and I should be sweet.”

Copy added in to a HUN article is not a defined return date.

Hawthorn said they had him back to "90 to 95 percent of full function". How much longer do you think he would've been out if it wasn't for this setback?

I expected him to miss at least another 3-4 games from when Clarkson stated that he was having trouble loading up 100%. That final few percent and declaring full fitness is never easy.

Concerning.

He might not play again at all this year. That is effectively 3 years in a row out of football during his prime development years.

Except that he played the preseason and first few rounds, so you're reaching a little.

He'll play when he plays, and it's not like we need to rush him back for finals.

 

[stfan]

Alternatively, you could watch the Bupa injury report, which this article references, and listen to Andrew Russell talk about the injury.

But nah, let's continue to make things up

Yes I am 100% confident that the Hawks would not put any spin on it would they? By the way is this the same fella that said pre-season that JOM would be right to go?

PS: JOM is injured AGAIN which is the key point, and yes it is still to do with the patella. Even the Hawks that it is a NEW injury on the same dodgey knee. FACT is that he is not playing still and is out for longer.

 

[Fetnarr]

Yes I am 100% confident that the Hawks would not put any spin on it would they? By the way is this the same fella that said pre-season that JOM would be right to go?

PS: JOM is injured AGAIN which is the key point, and yes it is still to do with the patella. Even the Hawks that it is a NEW injury on the same dodgey knee. FACT is that he is not playing still and is out for longer.

It's factually incorrect to say it is his patellar tendon. The patella and patellar tendon are different structures that require different management, rehabilitation, require different amounts of time for rest etc. yes he has in injury to the patella that is true but it is not his tendon which is he structure that he had surgery on. Geez with your attitude to obtaining factual information you could get a job at the Herald Sun.

 

[First Poster]

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He got more career kudos migrating to the eagles so now hes not Hawks trolling material (except maybe Wayne Carey)

I'd laugh if Mitchell Lewis and James Cousins were in our next premiership team

They won't be

 

[Saint]

Our current supporter growth started in 1997

I'd the players look like they are giving for the jumper. Enough fans will keep turning up

Looking at a couple of clubs who think they are on the March. Attendances suggest their fans don't agree

Starting from a very low base, to avoid a merger, but it had been on a downward trajectory since the 1991 flag. There's only one club which could go from premiers to almost merged in the space of 5 years.

But it's different this time, because there's a vacant bit of land in Dingley propped up by a pub in Caroline Springs keeping the place afloat to the pokies tune of $22 million in 2016. Good family club, you see.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

So much of this is about omearas current injury. This thread will go very quiet when he's fit and playing strongly again.

hopefully, but right now that's not a when that's an if

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Entertaining is right. This thread is really just a bunch of people trying to maintain the drama as long as possible. (I mean really "worst nightmare").

Expect hawthorn to do something dramatic again this offseason. You won't be disappointed.

awesome! I just love this belief in Hawthorn exceptionalism!!

"We're an empire now, we create our own reality"

And it appears it's not even just a supporter thing! Ah I remember it well when my club acted the same way.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

What's 3 flags worth then?

ask Richmond!!

1973 16.20.116 Carlton - 12.14.86
1974 18.20.128 North Melb - 13.9.87
1980 23.21.159 Collingwood - 9.24.78

Or even Brisbane I guess

 

[Lance Uppercut]

I'm assuming you mean this news release?

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The news release where ctrl-f "tendon" yields nothing?

Alternatively, you could watch the Bupa injury report, which this article references, and listen to Andrew Russell talk about the injury.

But nah, let's continue to make things up

The Bupa injury report?

Do you also refer to the comp as the Toyota AFL Season in general conversation?

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Anyone who isn't a deluded Hawthorn supporter that's been chugging the Kool-Aid their club has been feeding them all year re: O'Meara could see this was going to happen.

They've been delaying and delaying his return all season. 1 week turns into 2 weeks. Comes back and is thoroughly unconvincing. "New" injury. Then 1 month turns into 2 months. Now it's most likely his season over. Weekly injury updates just to let everyone know "there's nothing to see here". What a disaster.

a "new" injury that comes, remarkably, in exactly the week that they implied far and wide that he'd be back.

It's ok though, I get it. I believed in Scott Gumbleton for years

 

[Simple_guy]

You'd think after 3 years with all sorts of specialists trying to fix it not being able to fix it his career is almost cooked. Seems a chronic issue that can't be fixed

Yeah nah, apparently Hawthorne has the best medical team in the whole wide world. They even have the fountain of youth

 

[TerryWallet]

a "new" injury that comes, remarkably, in exactly the week that they implied far and wide that he'd be back.

It's ok though, I get it. I believed in Scott Gumbleton for years

Just a co-incidence.

Someone should start writing a book.

 

[Saint]

Yeah nah, apparently Hawthorne has the best medical team in the whole wide world. They even have the fountain of youth

According to Hawthorn, when they traded Burgoyne (for draft picks) he was delivered basically with one leg in an ambulance. Dr Russell gave him the Mr Miyagi treatment and now he walks on water.

In reality, he had missed three months with a knee injury during the season and returned to Port's team before the end of the season. Burgoyne is still used regularly by Hawks fans to justify the O'Meara trade even though O'Meara's injury is multiple times worse.

The only thing worse than Hawthorn winning flags is the revisionism going on about how they did it. They did it primarily because they drafted well with priority picks and trading out players for high draft picks, then off that, traded in a few role players who were already established and playing well at other clubs.

If you ask them it's because they were taking the broken down and injured and turning them into stars with their amazing club values, But if this were true, then Beau Dowler wouldn't be a punchline.

 

[HolyRioli]

The Bupa injury report?

Do you also refer to the comp as the Toyota AFL Season in general conversation?

When I feel like it

But was more an attempt to differentiate it from the AFL website injury report that comes out the same day

 

[Pessimistic]

Starting from a very low base, to avoid a merger, but it had been on a downward trajectory since the 1991 flag. There's only one club which could go from premiers to almost merged in the space of 5 years.

But it's different this time, because there's a vacant bit of land in Dingley propped up by a pub in Caroline Springs keeping the place afloat to the pokies tune of $22 million in 2016. Good family club, you see.

So you want a bit each way I see

Troll

 

[Pessimistic]

According to Hawthorn, when they traded Burgoyne (for draft picks) he was delivered basically with one leg in an ambulance. Dr Russell gave him the Mr Miyagi treatment and now he walks on water.

In reality, he had missed three months with a knee injury during the season and returned to Port's team before the end of the season. Burgoyne is still used regularly by Hawks fans to justify the O'Meara trade even though O'Meara's injury is multiple times worse.

The only thing worse than Hawthorn winning flags is the revisionism going on about how they did it. They did it primarily because they drafted well with priority picks and trading out players for high draft picks, then off that, traded in a few role players who were already established and playing well at other clubs.

If you ask them it's because they were taking the broken down and injured and turning them into stars with their amazing club values, But if this were true, then Beau Dowler wouldn't be a punchline.

No. The inference is that's how bigfooty trolled hawthorn while burger was being recruited

We also had the endless hodge. Judd ball comparisons. Funny how only one of those has delivered four premierships. The others one each and moved clubs too

My point is there's bigfooty trolling. Counter trolling
Then there's reality

 

[TerryWallet]

Hawk fans have donned the full body armour i see.

 

[Pessimistic]

Yeah nah, apparently Hawthorne has the best medical team in the whole wide world. They even have the fountain of youth

Hird believed we had when ranks told him in his sales pitch
Funny thing is hird could have just asked robson ex hawthorn ceo

 

[Saint]

So you want a bit each way I see

Troll

It's not two ways that the only way the club is propped up now is because of pokies and temporary success which is now over. As the success disappears along with the fans like last time, it'll just be a footy club in Dingley with some pokie machines in Noble Park North and Caroline Springs. Is that really the basis of a football club?

 

[Pessimistic]

It's not two ways that the only way the club is propped up now is because of pokies and temporary success which is now over. As the success disappears along with the fans like last time, it'll just be a footy club in Dingley with some pokie machines in Noble Park North and Caroline Springs. Is that really the basis of a football club?

We'll rise again and the bombers will still be waiting

Only three clubs won flags between ours

So far just one the Bulldogs

 

[WWSD]

It's not two ways that the only way the club is propped up now is because of pokies and temporary success which is now over. As the success disappears along with the fans like last time, it'll just be a footy club in Dingley with some pokie machines in Noble Park North and Caroline Springs. Is that really the basis of a football club?

Worry about your own cheating club who hasn't won a final since 2004 and won't be winning one any time soon.

 

[Scotland]

This is all fine, but why do supporters need to be realistic? Who is anyone to tell someone else how to go about following their team or holding their expectations?

I watch footy for enjoyment, I like to be optimistic so I will therefore take the most optimistic outlook.

How I see my footy team's future playing out has no bearing on how it actually will, so why cant I be 'delusional'?

Not directing this at you, but there are a lot of people on BF who just seem desperate to see Hawks fans all depressed and when we show any sign of an optimistic outlook, it pisses them off.

Hawthorn fans have been smugly telling everyone else for years how great their club is at everything. You're a destination club, you always get the players you want, your recruiter 'isn't Graham Wrong, is he?'. Three flags in a row buys plenty of 'well they're painful AF but they're also winning so that's annoying' grace, but that period is done and dusted. As fans you can be as wildly optimistic as you like, but you're going to be cut down - that's how being a footy fan works.

2013-2015 was an outlier in the history of the Hawthorn Football Club, not the norm. You aren't the Perth Wildcats, you don't get it right all the time. 1992-2006 happened and could well happen again. You don't have "the" formula, as evidenced by the fact you're currently 17th and adopting a different list strategy to what catapulted you back up the ladder a decade ago. Hawthorn fans are supremely confident about O'Meara because Burgoyne, but what about John Barker and Nick Holland? How much value for money did they give in the 2000s? Even Trent Croad retired at 28 with an injury you couldn't fix. Other guys like Hay, Rawlings and Williams were offloaded. Bad luck happens in footy, we're currently paying $1m+ a year for Naitanui and Mackenzie.

 

[Pessimistic]

Hawthorn fans have been smugly telling everyone else for years how great their club is at everything. You're a destination club, you always get the players you want, your recruiter 'isn't Graham Wrong, is he?'. Three flags in a row buys plenty of 'well they're painful AF but they're also winning so that's annoying' grace, but that period is done and dusted. As fans you can be as wildly optimistic as you like, but you're going to be cut down - that's how being a footy fan works.

2013-2015 was an outlier in the history of the Hawthorn Football Club, not the norm. You aren't the Perth Wildcats, you don't get it right all the time. 1992-2006 happened and could well happen again. You don't have "the" formula, as evidenced by the fact you're currently 17th and adopting a different list strategy to what catapulted you back up the ladder a decade ago. Hawthorn fans are supremely confident about O'Meara because Burgoyne, but what about John Barker and Nick Holland? How much value for money did they give in the 2000s? Even Trent Croad retired at 28 with an injury you couldn't fix. Other guys like Hay, Rawlings and Williams were offloaded. Bad luck happens in footy, we're currently paying $1m+ a year for Naitanui and Mackenzie.

You make it sound like there was no bad luck 2012-15. There was, just not enough bad luck to make a difference. Most won't be surprised to know premiership teams tend to have a full list in september

 

[blitzer]

Have Hawks really spent 88 pages arguing they don't care about draft picks and that they are delighted about O'Meara and he will be just fine?

Truth is Hawks list management in the last couple of years has been as bad as it was good in the mid 2000s.
Probably odds on favourite for the spoon next year.

 

[Jade]

I'd laugh if Mitchell Lewis and James Cousins were in our next premiership team

I'd laugh if you thought Mitchell Lewis and James Cousins were in your next premiership team.