Scandal Vickery and King: Victoria Police investigating AFL players over extortion, threats to kill & injure

[footyfan1978]

All of this has happened because of 2 to 3 s**t blokes have been well.. s**t blokes to each other.

EFA

 

[OhhDeledio]

I just saw a post on Facebook Jake King made about being discriminated against, in which he said he was a caring and loyal person... which is probably true, people who have shady ties usually are really loyal, I knew a family like that for a long time, the Dad ended up killing a guy last year.

Obviously Vickery is an idiot and Jake King has gone all out to help his old-mate these threatening tactics would most likely work a lot in his line of trade, but he's probably gone up against a businessy type who hadn't done anything technically illegal.... what a bunch of idiots, this is like something out of Fargo....

That's what I first thought when I learned about this whole situation. I feel he does truly care about his mates and he has just 'cared' that little bit too much in this instance

I don't see Jake as the bad guy in this situation. Its the guy who took the money in the first place who instigated this whole thing.

 

[ziad]

threatening murder is not a bad persons act?

culture I guess

 

[legend166]

Jake King is a piece of trash?

I am SHOCKED, I tell you. SHOCKED!

 

[GreyCrow]

That's what I first thought when I learned about this whole situation. I feel he does truly care about his mates and he has just 'cared' that little bit too much in this instance

Out of all the frivolity and fun that most of us have had at both players expenses this is why I think many havent gone that hard at either person. We understand this is a scenario where we would all be frustrated at and we understand how the events could happen.

I don't see Jake as the bad guy in this situation. Its the guy who took the money in the first place who instigated this whole thing.

Depends on what Jake said and did really. Good guy acting tough or bad guy with real threats. That will be for others to decide. Not sure we can be victim blaming though. The ''debtor'' may have genuine reasons or he may well be a campaigner, doesnt deserve a death threat ( as alleged)

 

[HairyO]

threatening murder is not a bad persons act?

culture I guess

Someone steals $100k from you and the cops tell you they dont care.

You keep calm and composed?

 

[BrockBlitz]

I can imagine charges being "dropped" somehow.

Friends in low places

 

[TW Sherrin]

Someone steals $100k from you and the cops tell you they dont care.

You keep calm and composed?

All bets are off with that kind of money. Low prick deserves the hiding he'll get.

 

[GreyCrow]

Someone steals $100k from you and the cops tell you they dont care.

You keep calm and composed?

But its not stolen. It just hasnt been paid back

 

[peppy la pew]

Yep......just heard. Vickery not Dusty
Definitely king tho

So you were there at 11.30 am and saw the whole thing go down, then gave out the wrong names but have just heard who was involved

OK mete

 

[HairyO]

But its not stolen. It just hasnt been paid back

Hasnt been paid back and refuses to pay back. And why was it taken anyway?

So you are owed $100k and the guy refuses to pay.

You keep calm and composed after the cops tell you to go away?

 

[76woodenspooners]

To be fair, if some campaigner nicked 100k from me and the jacks did **** all...id probably consider what he did

IMO the right thing to do is to start off with a decent lawyer.

There are debt recovery services out there that do specialise in this stuff and won't get you locked up (i.e.: they are staffed by lawyers rather than thugs with baseball bats) but speaking from my own personal experience of two such lawyers, they are as dumb as dogpoo and probably bottom of the legal food chain.

My tip would be to:

(1) Use a decent general lawyer

(2) Don't spend a lot of time and money on it ($hundreds). At most get them to draft a letter of demand.

(3) If you want to pursue it further then get them to refer you to a decent Barrister (this is where I found the debt collection agencies helpful)

(4) Brief your Barrister on the facts. The key questions to ask are:

(A) What are my chances of success if this goes to court?
(B) What will it cost me if this goes to court and I win/lose?
(C) Worst case, how long would this take to get resolved?
(D) What courses of action might the other party take and what is their case?
(E) What should I do next time to either prevent this happening or to cover my backside better?

(5) Based on (A), (B), (C), (D) consider if it really is worth following up. Often writing the money off as the cost of a learning experience (E) is truly the best option.

(6) Whatever course you take, move on. Take all emotion out of it, it's a business decision. I've been lucky myself, but I do know of someone who spent many years embroiled in legal cases over this kind of thing. She's chasing a fair sack of cash (my guess is for around a $million + costs), but it long ago passed the point where she'll be behind even if she gets paid out in full. (Stress over years + health issues + loss of income issues)

 

[Pessimistic]

With Tyrone allegedly getting his mate Jake in to help with an accounting problem will Jake return the favour and have law student Ty defend him in court?

 

[The Lemon]

IMO the right thing to do is to start off with a decent lawyer.

There are debt recovery services out there that do specialise in this stuff and won't get you locked up (i.e.: they are staffed by lawyers rather than thugs with baseball bats) but speaking from my own personal experience of two such lawyers, they are as dumb as dogpoo and probably bottom of the legal food chain.

My tip would be to:

(1) Use a decent general lawyer

(2) Don't spend a lot of time and money on it ($hundreds). At most get them to draft a letter of demand.

(3) If you want to pursue it further then get them to refer you to a decent Barrister (this is where I found the debt collection agencies helpful)

(4) Brief your Barrister on the facts. The key questions to ask are:

(A) What are my chances of success if this goes to court?
(B) What will it cost me if this goes to court and I win/lose?
(C) Worst case, how long would this take to get resolved?
(D) What course of actions might the other party do and what is their case?
(E) What should I do next time to either prevent this happening or to cover my backside better?

(5) Based on (A), (B), (C), (D) consider if it really is worth following up. Often writing the money off as the cost of a learning experience (E) is truly the best option.

(6) Whatever course you take, move on. Take all emotion out of it, it's a business decision. I've been lucky myself, but I do know of someone who spent many years embroiled in legal cases over this kind of thing. She's chasing a fair sack of cash (my guess is for around a million + costs), but it long ago passed the point where she'll be behind even if she gets paid out in full. (Stress over years + health issues + loss of income issues)

Good post.

Seems to logical eh!

 

[Pessimistic]

Can't have happened while Ty at Hawthorn. One phone call from clarko and the unnamed person would be begging Ty to have the money back with interest

Nothing Illegal would be needed

 

[Pessimistic]

Or alternately "A girl is about to touch your special place"

 

[Thuggee_Cult]

IMO the right thing to do is to start off with a decent lawyer.

There are debt recovery services out there that do specialise in this stuff and won't get you locked up (i.e.: they are staffed by lawyers rather than thugs with baseball bats) but speaking from my own personal experience of two such lawyers, they are as dumb as dogpoo and probably bottom of the legal food chain.

My tip would be to:

(1) Use a decent general lawyer

(2) Don't spend a lot of time and money on it ($hundreds). At most get them to draft a letter of demand.

(3) If you want to pursue it further then get them to refer you to a decent Barrister (this is where I found the debt collection agencies helpful)

(4) Brief your Barrister on the facts. The key questions to ask are:

(A) What are my chances of success if this goes to court?
(B) What will it cost me if this goes to court and I win/lose?
(C) Worst case, how long would this take to get resolved?
(D) What course of actions might the other party do and what is their case?
(E) What should I do next time to either prevent this happening or to cover my backside better?

(5) Based on (A), (B), (C), (D) consider if it really is worth following up. Often writing the money off as the cost of a learning experience (E) is truly the best option.

(6) Whatever course you take, move on. Take all emotion out of it, it's a business decision. I've been lucky myself, but I do know of someone who spent many years embroiled in legal cases over this kind of thing. She's chasing a fair sack of cash (my guess is for around a million + costs), but it long ago passed the point where she'll be behind even if she gets paid out in full. (Stress over years + health issues + loss of income issues)

Excellent post.

Given he is on, what 350-400k per year, he'll make that money back in months, and playing VFL at that.

 

[Snake_Baker]

You know what, I don't really blame him for threatening this bloke. There are that many genuine shady, shark-like s**t human beings out there in this world. Now I definatley do NOT mean you should go as far as saying that your gonna kill the guy, but I can understand there frustration. I mean, 100k is a lot of money.

Heres how i see the whole situation and how it panned out. Ty is pissed off as hell with this bloke for taking the money and pretty much getting off scott free (so far), so he gets King involved. (understandable as to why he would choose Kingy, would intimidate the s**t out of this bloke with his bikie contacts and all) King calls this guy up and threatens him, he starts packing them and rings the police and gives them the recordings of the phone call, and then it leads on to where we are now where King is getting charged with whatever he has been charged with.

All of this has happened because of this s**t bloke who alledgeldy stole 100k off of Ty, and at the moment there is no sign of him being charged at all.

There's a lot smarter ways to sober a person up as to the reality of their obligations than issuing death threats over the phone.

I strongly suspect the cops have audio of the event and this will be an open/shut pinch, unless King can adequately explain himself. If they could tie it to Vickery then he would have been charged on the spot as well.

 

[HairyO]

Vickery released without charge? So he cant even do *THIS* right?

 

[Plugger Mcnally]

This is a pretty stupid way of going about it. Wouldn't you engage a forensic accountant, take their findings to a lawyer for advice and then present it to the police and possibly the ACCC?

 

[HairyO]

IMO the right thing to do is to start off with a decent lawyer.

There are debt recovery services out there that do specialise in this stuff and won't get you locked up (i.e.: they are staffed by lawyers rather than thugs with baseball bats) but speaking from my own personal experience of two such lawyers, they are as dumb as dogpoo and probably bottom of the legal food chain.

My tip would be to:

(1) Use a decent general lawyer

(2) Don't spend a lot of time and money on it ($hundreds). At most get them to draft a letter of demand.

(3) If you want to pursue it further then get them to refer you to a decent Barrister (this is where I found the debt collection agencies helpful)

(4) Brief your Barrister on the facts. The key questions to ask are:

(A) What are my chances of success if this goes to court?
(B) What will it cost me if this goes to court and I win/lose?
(C) Worst case, how long would this take to get resolved?
(D) What courses of action might the other party take and what is their case?
(E) What should I do next time to either prevent this happening or to cover my backside better?

(5) Based on (A), (B), (C), (D) consider if it really is worth following up. Often writing the money off as the cost of a learning experience (E) is truly the best option.

(6) Whatever course you take, move on. Take all emotion out of it, it's a business decision. I've been lucky myself, but I do know of someone who spent many years embroiled in legal cases over this kind of thing. She's chasing a fair sack of cash (my guess is for around a $million + costs), but it long ago passed the point where she'll be behind even if she gets paid out in full. (Stress over years + health issues + loss of income issues)

Spend $50k on lawyers to maybe get the $100k back, maybe not. And maybe get some of the $50k legal fees covered by the other guy.

There is a reason why standover men exist, and its because the real sharks are the lawyers.

 

[Snake_Baker]

This is a pretty stupid way of going about it. Wouldn't you engage a forensic accountant, take their findings to a lawyer for advice and then present it to the police and possibly the ACC?

In theory.

However, you have just blown 100 grand chasing 100 grand, with no guarantees of getting your money back or your costs awarded by the court..

 

[Pessimistic]

I dont mind Players blowing their pay on luxuries but restaurant businesses? thats just insanity. Jake had the right idea with a tattoo joint

 

[saintscott]

About the top paying job in Barwon when I was there was a welder or maybe a unit billet @ around $9 a day.

There are limits on how much outside money you can receive per month too.

Iirc, it was either $150 or $200 per month. $50 had to go on the phone and the rest your spend.

They let inmates use welders in a max security prison? That is an "accident" waiting to happen!

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

They let inmates use welders in a max security prison? That is an "accident" waiting to happen!

Nothing has in a decade that I know of. The welders tend to already have the skills when they get locked up and just want to work, it makes their day go quicker and keeps them out of trouble.

The s**t heads are the ones sitting there screwing nuts onto brackets for things like conduit trays, or putting the hessian/cloth straps on bed slats.