MRP / Trib. Hawkins 2 weeks, Duncan 1

[Grimoz]

They must love you at work.....

Employee of the month hahaha

 

[MacStradbroke]

Definitely weak, only played most of that game with a ruptured testicle.

That happen in the first minute too I suppose?

 

[selwoodsbandage]

So, 3 posts and you've declared your a gws fan...................

I just needed a place to vent to people who should understand.

 

[Stocks_go_Up]

West Coast managed to challenge and get a deliberate flying elbow to the jaw that was given a 1 week suspension thrown out...

West Coast's legal counsel argued the contact on Oliver was not sufficient enough to warrant a suspension, despite a medical report that said Oliver had experienced a "painful right jaw".
The Eagles argued that pain was from subsequent contact Oliver made with his face to Schofield's back.

Now tell me why in gods name did we not challenge both.. The evidence is overwhelming. In what world is acceptable?

 

[vicpride]

Pathetic from the club. I'd expect nothing less from Hocking though. Fell into the job after Balme left.

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[Sticksman]

Pathetic from the club. I'd expect nothing less from Hocking though. Fell into the job after Balme left.

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He didn't fall into the job. He was mentored by Balme as instructed by Brian Cook. A succession plan will be in place for all key positions in the club administration.

 

[Zuta]

Geelong are that useless they probably haven't done their due diligence and aren't even aware of what Papley said about the Hodge hit being harder than Duncans. Surely you appeal and show what he said and they would have no choice to grade duncans as low impact too...

 

[Whiskers]

I'm done with Steve Hocking. Move him on! Handles departures poorly and I know this because I spoke to him personally in the change rooms the year after chapman left.
They basically did not get on.

 

[catters078]

IM very disappointed with Geelong not challenging Duncan.

Its a shame that staging wins out here.

Geelong shouldnt have accepted that a dive from another player costs us this.

 

[dazbroncos]

Im as pissed off with this whole thing as the next bloke... **** it.. maybe more..

And ive melted good and hard and I reckon, like a good dose of Gastro, there is more to come.

that said, some of the shit directed at the Club and its staff is some of the most mis directed vitriol ive seen in a while.

Sure they could challenge - the AFL and MRP have already made something out of nothing - and if we challenge it - all of a sudden they are gonna come back with" yeah..we were only joshing.... they can both play" ?

ITs just not going to happen.

The AFL have spoken. They dont want us around and successful - they are shitty we boned out of Etihad, shitty we have our own stadium, shitty their version of financial equlisation has not killed us with their crap amounts we had to pay, shiity we are a destination club still, shitty we are successful still and thereabouts, and shitty we want our home games at our home stadium. Meanwhile, they pump 10s of millions into their plastic babies and cant get a win.

Be pissed by all means - but the club in the issue here.

And there's another good does of gastro for ya.

GO Catters

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Thats a pathetic decision by the club weak and pathetic.

Serious questions need to be asked about whether hocking should keep his job, time to go i think.

Its the afls fault yes but the club needs to stand up for whats right, extremely disappointed in them.

 

[you pick one]

This came out of the Greg Williams /Carlton v AFL/Tribunal case in the High court.


"A clear message for sports associations from the Williams Case is the need for well drafted and clearly expressed disciplinary rules. Sporting associations must consider whether natural justice is to be explicitly provided for in their disciplinary mechanisms. Where persons rely upon a sport for their livelihood or other proprietary rights, natural justice must be included, according to all judges. In any event, the rules must be clear, concise and cogent. Rules should be developed in a structured manner. Whilst ad hoc amendment of rules may have served organisations (sometimes well) in the past, Ashley AJA's judgment serves as a timely reminder that where these rules may impact on a person's livelihood or other proprietary rights, a court will be reluctant to construe badly expressed or ambiguous rules to the detriment of the member or player concerned. The constituent rules and specific disciplinary regulations should cover all stakeholders. Too often, the rules deal only with 'members' of the association. Consideration should be given to other stakeholders such as individual participants, umpires, coaches and other officials. In this way an association will be able to take disciplinary proceedings against other persons involved in the sport who have submitted themselves to the association's disciplinary jurisdiction. Finally, as has been said many times, the constitution and disciplinary rules must expressly empower an association's disciplinary body, and set out its obligations and operation. Clear expression and delivery of these terms will forestall costly legal proceedings, delays and uncertainties."


Ummm not seeing much evidence of that lately.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

The club will lose memberships over this too, i think they will be surprised by how many.

 

[dazbroncos]

Thats a pathetic decision by the club weak and pathetic.

Serious questions need to be asked about whether hocking should keep his job, time to go i think.

Its the afls fault yes but the club needs to stand up for whats right, extremely disappointed in them.

But serious question - other than Papley talking on a Sunday footy show - what evidence can they introduce to suggest it was low rather than medium?

I get the whole thing is a farce made up by a dive and crap medical report - and im seething over it too - see the shit im spouting - but what can they show to prove low rather than medium - particularly in an environment that i predicated to guilt and appeal failure?

I dont see it but maybe ive missed something

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[Sticksman]

Anyone who thinks that Hocking made this decision all on his lonesome without talking to his boss (Cook) and Scott as a minimum really must be clueless.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

But serious question - other than Papley talking on a Sunday footy show - what evidence can they introduce to suggest it was low rather than medium?

I get the whole thing is a farce made up by a dive and crap medical report - and im seething over it too - see the shit im spouting - but what can they show to prove low rather than medium - particularly in an environment that i predicated to guilt and appeal failure?

I dont see it but maybe ive missed something

GO Catters

If it was medium inpact he wouldnt have been able to get up and kick the goal for a start.

 

[dazbroncos]

Thanks **** the NFL is getting going.

Give me a distraction from this arse fest of AFL acting.

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[Pure_Ownage]

Anyone who thinks that Hocking made this decision all on his lonesome without talking to his boss (Cook) and Scott as a minimum really must be clueless.

Then cooky is too close to the afl if he suggested we are better off not challenging it.

 

[TEDDY24INC]

But serious question - other than Papley talking on a Sunday footy show - what evidence can they introduce to suggest it was low rather than medium?

I get the whole thing is a farce made up by a dive and crap medical report - and im seething over it too - see the shit im spouting - but what can they show to prove low rather than medium - particularly in an environment that i predicated to guilt and appeal failure?

I dont see it but maybe ive missed something

GO Catters

For a start the vision doesn't even show the impact/contact point. You can't suspend players on gut feel (except if it's Joel Selwood). If they don't have a QC good enough to slam dunk this tripe, get a new one

 

[r32godzilla]

How the hell can the MRP get away with upping the penalty if a challenge fails? Ludicrous. Could you imagine if this was applied in a court of law everytime an accused wanted to challenge a ruling?? "Sorry there bud we have just increased your sentence for challenging our ruling even though there may be a chance your innocent or we got it wrong." @#$% off!

 

[dazbroncos]

If it was medium inpact he wouldnt have been able to get up and kick the goal for a start.

but with the AFL having no real metric to classify what constitutes Low V Medium - im not sure how a QC could prove the difference.

Not trying to argue - just can't see it from a legal perspective as a base for a winnable challenge.

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[Sticksman]

Then cooky is too close to the afl if he suggested we are better off not challenging it.

We don't know what Cook said. All we can be reasonably sure of is that the decision is the result THE CLUB deliberations.

 

[year of the cat]

Why does the phrase "mission accomplished" keep going through my mind?

 

[Boxhead_31]

So we aren't challenging wither case huh?
Well colour me shocked.

 

[you pick one]

My thoughts right now have turned to the future,time for the Clubs the Players Association and other stake holder (if any) to push the AFL to except Precedence and perhaps a bond refundable challenge system.