Review Cats salute in Duncan's 300th

[Mr Meow]

Things like the holmes thing are frustrating. Like players calling for the ball when the distance is questionable ..especially when they have shown to be hot on it. Having said that … the judgement on distances are amazing random. How often do they run well over 15 and not be a called. It seems short kicks in the backline are more likely to be not 15 than those in the forward line.

Is it that frustrating? How many times has he even been caught when he's had an early bounce?

 

[you pick one]

Speaking of the broadcast - What i would give to be able to watch with crowd noise only.
It’s such a simple thing to incorporate as well.

The other night I had to mute the game because Jack Reiwoldt was unbearable.
It’s worth rolling back to the Dempsey “mark” just to hear the noise Reiwoldt let out. I actually thought he may have climaxed.

We don’t need play by play commentary. We can see what’s happening.
It’s so much more enjoyable to watch the game without ex footballers giving their opinions.

Rant/

Nice to see someone got the right christian name then only to bugger up Riewoldt.

 

[you pick one]

I know what you mean, although sometimes it's genuinely funny hearing commentators audibly groan when Geelong get a free kick or opposition make a mistake etc. I don't like it when they start bitching and rambling about Geelong having 4 extra men because I know I'll have to deal with 500 BigFooty idiots who say "even the commentators said Geelong got a ride!". It just creates more work for me.

You won't have to worry about that more than 3 or 4 times a year

 

[Turbocat]

Is it that frustrating? How many times has he even been caught when he's had an early bounce?

Obviously it is for some.. I had not noticed it that much but as fast as he is .. you are never caught until you are. I think its good practice to run your first 5 strides without a bounce .. as one runs quicker without bouncing.

 

[you pick one]

Is it that frustrating? How many times has he even been caught when he's had an early bounce?

It's frustrating in the sense that they have been poorly coached in their early years for that to become part of their game.

 

[Mr Meow]

It's frustrating in the sense that they have been poorly coached in their early years for that to become part of their game.

I'm much more of an "end product" guy. It would shit me to tears if he was getting caught or stuffing up his plays. His breakaways are consistently elite and damaging.

 

[cats_09]

I wish I'd saved this but 2 or 3 years back Scott on this subject said and I don't remember the exact words or circumstance but he wouldn't encourage his players to put themselves in a position where they were likely to sustain serious injury and mis being available to play for an extended period.He will know when that line is being crossed.

Where I get frustrated is watching a guy like Dempsey stick an arm out at the loose trying to either gather it in or tap it onwards (even when not too anyone's advantage) compared with being willing to put his body behind it and take possession that way

I'm not talking about head over ball that could leave him in a vulnerable position, but a situation where he's upright and may need to be prepared to be tackled to force a ball-up situation - that happened a couple of times against Hawthorn as an example where he could have got his body behind the ball rather than just sticking the arm out


Where I find it harder to criticise a player is when they opt to not run back with the flight of the ball not knowing what's coming directly at them, a player who isn't going to put themselves in that vulnerable position of head/neck over the ball where they could be concussed or injured as the result of bump - if second to the ball though, it can help if they stick the tackle


We just need to look at this incident from last night's Freo vs Port match - how often do we see this with the player running with the flight of the ball being the one called courageous



While most the replies on Twitter are about how many weeks for Pearce, someone kinda flipped the question - where was the self awareness & self preservation from Byrne-Jones?

Maybe that's the side of things we need to start seeing from the media, with a message that the courageous decision can be knowing when not leave yourself vulnerable

In a week where we've had 2 teams refer players to the AFL's Concussion Panel, including a 23yr old Nik Cox, maybe "we" (media, fans, clubs, teammates etc) need to start changing our language around different situations within matches and understand that there's more ways to be courageous out on the field than putting yourself in a vulnerable position and that just because a player chooses to not put themselves in that type of position doesn't mean they're soft or weak

 

[Mr Meow]

Obviously it is for some.. I had not noticed it that much but as fast as he is .. you are never caught until you are. In think its good practice to run your first 5 strides without a bounce .. as one runs quicker without bouncing.

What % of Holmes breakaway runs would you estimate he bounces within the first 5 strides? I think we're overstating the frequency and severity of that a little bit. In any case he makes his runs work, if that frustrated me then I would be frustrated by something everything 2.5 seconds of a game.

 

[Mr Meow]

Where I get frustrated is watching a guy like Dempsey stick an arm out at the loose trying to either gather it in or tap it onwards (even when not too anyone's advantage) compared with being willing to put his body behind it and take possession that way

I'm not talking about head over ball that could leave him in a vulnerable position, but a situation where he's upright and may need to be prepared to be tackled to force a ball-up situation - that happened a couple of times against Hawthorn as an example where he could have got his body behind the ball rather than just sticking the arm out


Where I find it harder to criticise a player is when they opt to not run back with the flight of the ball not knowing what's coming directly at them, a player who isn't going to put themselves in that vulnerable position of head/neck over the ball where they could be concussed or injured as the result of bump - if second to the ball though, it can help if they stick the tackle


We just need to look at this incident from last night's Freo vs Port match - how often do we see this with the player running with the flight of the ball being the one called courageous



While most the replies on Twitter are about how many weeks for Pearce, someone kinda flipped the question - where was the self awareness & self preservation from Byrne-Jones?

Maybe that's the side of things we need to start seeing from the media, with a message that the courageous decision can we knowing when not leave yourself vulnerable

In a week where we've had 2 teams refer players to the AFL's Concussion Panel, including a 23yr old Nik Cox, maybe "we" (media, fans, clubs, teammates etc) need to start changing our language around different situations within matches and understand that there's more ways to be courageous out on the field than putting yourself in a vulnerable position and that just because a player chooses to not put themselves in that type of position doesn't mean they're soft or weak

If half of our board had their way, Close, Dempsey and Miers would be flying into contests like that 10 times a match and their careers would likely already be over.

 

[Turbocat]

What % of Holmes breakaway runs would you estimate he bounces within the first 5 strides? I think we're overstating the frequency and severity of that a little bit. In any case he makes his runs work, if that frustrated me then I would be frustrated by something everything 2.5 seconds of a game.

Its not my frustration but it was mentioned ..and as I said..thing like that can frustraite. My frustration is having players call for the ball too close. Distance related issues ..its not like holding the ball etc. a distance thats measurable.

 

[you pick one]

I'm much more of an "end product" guy. It would shit me to tears if he was getting caught or stuffing up his plays. His breakaways are consistently elite and damaging.

Yes but how much better could he be with such a small adjustment I coached VFL young teenagers and knocked that fault out of those guilt in a week,took a lot more effort to get them to acquire some opposite side skills another pet hate of mine to see players reach AFL level with none at all.

 

[Mr Meow]

Yes but how much better could he be with such a small adjustment I coached VFL young teenagers and knocked that fault out of those guilt in a week,took a lot more effort to get them to acquire some opposite side skills another pet hate of mine to see players reach AFL level with none at all.

About 0.002% better as I really don't see if affecting much (i.e getting caught or really stuffing up a disposal because of it). It could be on my frustration list but I have 802 other higher priorities.

 

[Mr Meow]

Yes but how much better could he be with such a small adjustment I coached VFL young teenagers and knocked that fault out of those guilt in a week,took a lot more effort to get them to acquire some opposite side skills another pet hate of mine to see players reach AFL level with none at all.

Also there are way bigger culprits of this in the game IMO...Bolton, Saad, Warner, Blakey, NWM, Callaghan, Ash come to mind. They almost use a bounce as a "start my run" kind of move on the regular.

 

[you pick one]

Its not my frustration but it was mentioned ..and as I said..thing like that can frustraite. My frustration is having players call for the ball too close. Distance related issues ..its not like holding the ball etc. a distance thats measurable.

You are going to love Guthrie back then.

 

[cats_09]

You are going to love Guthrie back then.

Kick to kick between Cam and Zach...

 

[you pick one]

Also there are way bigger culprits of this in the game IMO...Bolton, Saad, Warner, Blakey, NWM, Callaghan, Ash come to mind. They almost use a bounce as a "start my run" kind of move on the regular.

That's where I see Max

 

[Mr Meow]

That's where I see Max

Every now and again. The others I see as more frequent offenders and ones who actually get caught doing it.

 

[you pick one]

Where I get frustrated is watching a guy like Dempsey stick an arm out at the loose trying to either gather it in or tap it onwards (even when not too anyone's advantage) compared with being willing to put his body behind it and take possession that way

I'm not talking about head over ball that could leave him in a vulnerable position, but a situation where he's upright and may need to be prepared to be tackled to force a ball-up situation - that happened a couple of times against Hawthorn as an example where he could have got his body behind the ball rather than just sticking the arm out


Where I find it harder to criticise a player is when they opt to not run back with the flight of the ball not knowing what's coming directly at them, a player who isn't going to put themselves in that vulnerable position of head/neck over the ball where they could be concussed or injured as the result of bump - if second to the ball though, it can help if they stick the tackle


We just need to look at this incident from last night's Freo vs Port match - how often do we see this with the player running with the flight of the ball being the one called courageous



While most the replies on Twitter are about how many weeks for Pearce, someone kinda flipped the question - where was the self awareness & self preservation from Byrne-Jones?

Maybe that's the side of things we need to start seeing from the media, with a message that the courageous decision can be knowing when not leave yourself vulnerable

In a week where we've had 2 teams refer players to the AFL's Concussion Panel, including a 23yr old Nik Cox, maybe "we" (media, fans, clubs, teammates etc) need to start changing our language around different situations within matches and understand that there's more ways to be courageous out on the field than putting yourself in a vulnerable position and that just because a player chooses to not put themselves in that type of position doesn't mean they're soft or weak

Unfortunately these days with no player weights published we are unable to see how young players are growing into their AFL body's so I find it more difficult to formulate my expectation on a players ability to perform specific tasks.

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

Nice to see someone got the right christian name then only to bugger up Riewoldt.

I before E !!

 

[Generalissimo]

I still reckon Max Holmes once got done for "running too far" as a kid, started bouncing every two paces just to be a smartarse to the ump that pinged him, and then never got out of the habit.

 

[iameviljez]

I before E !!

…… weight

 

[Spearman]

That's all fine but you need team standards and one of those is that you can trust your team-mate to get hit to protect you when it's his turn. Close shirked that too often (and this isn't the first game). Obviously you don't leave him out for 12 months as he's quality but id drop him for 2 weeks to the 2s to send a message to the rest of the squad. I think that would be worth doing.

I finally got to watch a replay on a proper sized screen. Could you maybe let me know when such acts occurred. Honestly I looked for something that would make him droppable.

I thought I saw one that could have been described as not tackling and going for the ball. F50, Lobb charging out to gather a loose ball, Close intersecting from the side went to knock the ball out as Lobb was getting hands to it, didn't. (9 mins left I think). Early on he had a chance to tackle a guy who got short-hopped on a pass. He bumped a little then knocked the ball away. It went back forward for our first goal maybe.
I did see him sprint, not Varcoe 2011 fast lope, full out head down sprint from back half to goal square on a couple occasions, just to support wasn't used. One was SN's out the back.
With a more than a bit of devil's advocate here, I think 'standards' are good. Are they ironclad, 100 time out of 100 must be maintained, or off the the Russian front with you?
Some are and should be. I think many are more situational and based on individual expectations and strengths. Would going body line, the brave physical thing, be the correct move if it costs a penalty, suspension or game? Or gives the player a niggle that affects his and the team's performance? Actually I can see it in a game winning/losing moment.
Pre covid I remember some discussion that some of the team weren't pulling their weight. I remember myself thinking Dangerfield, while busting his gut winning the ball and pushing forward, not going the other direction hard to help on defense. Maybe when a ball carrier was within his striking distance, but not running back hard to cover say halfback. I seriously thought at the time that maybe he was having a detrimental affect on the others. If a superstar doesn't why should I? Are there standards for pushing back for defense? Should he have been dropped?
Although my original point was not about going when it was your turn, it was a performance of a player, and the team, as a whole, and the roles each part plays. Many of the roles aren't seen on the coverage, yet their performance gets a spray.

 

[iameviljez]

Unfortunately these days with no player weights published we are unable to see how young players are growing into their AFL body's so I find it more difficult to formulate my expectation on a players ability to perform specific tasks.

I don’t think you need to look at Miers, Dempsey and Close too hard to work out that they’ll come off second best most of the time

 

[Spearman]

You'd be dropping a lot of players and we'd be dropping a lot of games.

How would you even do this? "Close: we're dropping you in 3 weeks based off this incident. Henry, we have you scheduled in for 5 weeks due to an incident 2 weeks ago, because Dangerfield is back then".

and which standards would be the ones under scrutiny

 

[Generalissimo]

Just watching the mini match and I think what I like most about Neale's game is how different his goals were:

• Crumbing goal in the goal square
• Snap across the body in congestion
• Big contested mark and set shot
• Burned off O'Donnell and goaled on the run
• Set shot after wining a ruck free kick

Not a one-trick pony at all.