List Mgmt. Trade & F.A. 2017 (if a scenario sounds wrong - read on before posting)

[Quicky]

I tell you, I really like Andrews from Brisbane as a stopper and think he'd fit the defensive balance we need for our backline far better than Lever. We already have Howe, Scharenberg, Reid (if he plays there) and Langdon as intercept types. We need a guy to play on the dominant forwards and Andrews will do that more effectively.

I wonder what he'd cost to shake free? It may be a complete pipe dream but I feel the thinking would be more in line with what type of player we actually need.

 

[Soups]

I tell you, I really like Andrews from Brisbane as a stopper and think he'd fit the defensive balance we need for our backline far better than Lever. We already have Howe, Scharenberg, Reid (if he plays there) and Langdon as intercept types. We need a guy to play on the dominant forwards and Andrews will do that more effectively.

I wonder what he'd cost to shake free? It may be a complete pipe dream but I feel the thinking would be more in line with what type of player we actually need.

Just signed a deal a couple weeks back.

 

[soreplums]

Brandon Matera as our small forward?

 

[Apex36]

I tell you, I really like Andrews from Brisbane as a stopper and think he'd fit the defensive balance we need for our backline far better than Lever. We already have Howe, Scharenberg, Reid (if he plays there) and Langdon as intercept types. We need a guy to play on the dominant forwards and Andrews will do that more effectively.

I wonder what he'd cost to shake free? It may be a complete pipe dream but I feel the thinking would be more in line with what type of player we actually need.

Andrews is the best young KPD in the league and a Queenslander to boot. The Lions won't let him go under any circumstances imo, they'll match any offer made to him if required.

 

[jjsmitty8]

Brandon Matera as our small forward?

Was literally coming to this thread to say that I was reading he'll apparently be on the market. Wouldn't mind at all if we chased him, just depends on the price.

 

[Mongo Ming]

Brandon Matera as our small forward?

Matera's name seems to pop up in the trade thread every year. I think if we draft in a small forward it'll be Devon Smith, but that's if we have the collateral. Esp if we trade for Lever.

 

[jackcass]

Surprised that Jack Redpaths name hasnt been brought up.. Only 26 KPF and would be a cheap option both trade value and Salary.. If we could get Lever and him in this trade period it would be a massive bonus moving forward.

Redpath has been playing to justify a 1 year extension at the Doggies as I understand it.

 

[jackcass]

We need smart players in the midfield, the only player you could consider trading out of their is Adams. And that's not because he isn't good, but because we have enough grunt. We need more class and speed.

I think Motlop would be a good cheap get. And I would take Casboult and Lever if they aren't asking too much for a third up player...there is no guarantee he will make it as a KPP.

Think Motlop's body is struggling with the rigors of AFL footy. I'd pass.

 

[unplugged]

So now we just have to just get Devon Smith, Jake Lever and Lynch all in the same trade period.

Would be better than the time we got Treloar, Aish and Howe in the one trade period.

 

[doppleganger]

I tell you, I really like Andrews from Brisbane as a stopper and think he'd fit the defensive balance we need for our backline far better than Lever. We already have Howe, Scharenberg, Reid (if he plays there) and Langdon as intercept types. We need a guy to play on the dominant forwards and Andrews will do that more effectively.

I wonder what he'd cost to shake free? It may be a complete pipe dream but I feel the thinking would be more in line with what type of player we actually need.

Andrews, Hipwood and Freeman I believe are all products of the QLD academy. Andrews and Hipwood are jets, would be rated by the Lions as we rate Moore.

They also have Schache, as the number #1 pick who they will want to get games into.

So give McStay or Close a bit of a nudge, two Victorians who might be able to shake out for a later pick.

 

[doppleganger]

Matera's name seems to pop up in the trade thread every year. I think if we draft in a small forward it'll be Devon Smith, but that's if we have the collateral. Esp if we trade for Lever.

Smith is much better option.

He can also play through the midfield, has a 2nd in the Giants BnF under his belt and is in their leadership group.

He would be a great addition to our best 22, but might cost more than he is worth considering we need KP type players.

Also hope a guy like Daicos could build into that kind of role.

 

[jackcass]

The Crows won't use pick 6 for Gibbs. That's way over the odds given Gibbs' age.

Agree, especially with the Crouch lads coming on this year. Getting pick 6 though would allow the Crows to use their 1st rounder (currently pick 17 I think) for Gibbs. I don't think he's even worth that but he has had a good year.

 

[BEEG]

Brandon Matera as our small forward?

Why so Bucks can play him in the VFL with Kirby?

 

[ThePhantom777]

Matera's name seems to pop up in the trade thread every year. I think if we draft in a small forward it'll be Devon Smith, but that's if we have the collateral. Esp if we trade for Lever.

I thought Devon Smith was going to the Cats?

 

[ThePhantom777]

Think Motlop's body is struggling with the rigors of AFL footy. I'd pass.

Yep read somewhere else that his body is shot.

 

[Johno9911]

With links to Darling as that medium/ third type forward, what are peoples thoughts on Crameri or Dickson from the dogs? While yes a bit older they would certainly be cheaper than Darling. Dickson looks a bit smaller only at ~185cm but geez he's a reliable set shot and has really good hands, and Crameri has only played 2 games in 2 years so would come with huge risk, yet is a bit bigger at 190cm and you could argue has more runs on the board. If the Lever deal gets done I think either of three would help Reid and Moore up forward. The reason I like either of the dogs boy's is that we keep Fas, outside of him I'm not to sure how a deal for Darling gets done.
A forward line set up of;
Elliot Moore Fasolo
Dickson Reid Kirby
Would certainly kick a lot of goals and be pretty hard for most defenses to set up on.

 

[didaksrightfoot]

Brandon Matera as our small forward?

Is a downgrade on both Fas and Elliot, we still havent been able to find gametime for our depth/potential SF's (Kirby & Daicos) and we have a few mids/wings who regularly can rotate through.

Dont see any room for Matera in there.
Only way we get a small forward is if he is a clear improvement on our best 22 - matera is not.

 

[jackcass]

With links to Darling as that medium/ third type forward, what are peoples thoughts on Crameri or Dickson from the dogs? While yes a bit older they would certainly be cheaper than Darling. Dickson looks a bit smaller only at ~185cm but geez he's a reliable set shot and has really good hands, and Crameri has only played 2 games in 2 years so would come with huge risk, yet is a bit bigger at 190cm and you could argue has more runs on the board. If the Lever deal gets done I think either of three would help Reid and Moore up forward. The reason I like either of the dogs boy's is that we keep Fas, outside of him I'm not to sure how a deal for Darling gets done.
A forward line set up of;
Elliot Moore Fasolo
Dickson Reid Kirby
Would certainly kick a lot of goals and be pretty hard for most defenses to set up on.

Pass.

 

[BEEG]

With links to Darling as that medium/ third type forward, what are peoples thoughts on Crameri or Dickson from the dogs? While yes a bit older they would certainly be cheaper than Darling. Dickson looks a bit smaller only at ~185cm but geez he's a reliable set shot and has really good hands, and Crameri has only played 2 games in 2 years so would come with huge risk, yet is a bit bigger at 190cm and you could argue has more runs on the board. If the Lever deal gets done I think either of three would help Reid and Moore up forward. The reason I like either of the dogs boy's is that we keep Fas, outside of him I'm not to sure how a deal for Darling gets done.
A forward line set up of;
Elliot Moore Fasolo
Dickson Reid Kirby
Would certainly kick a lot of goals and be pretty hard for most defenses to set up on.

NO

Either draft the best possible forward or have the crack of all cracks at Lynch next year.

Play WHE in a pocket as the medium tall continue with Moore, Kirby, Elliot and Fasolo as the small mobile forward line which teams have had success with this year, its all about delivery and game plan.

No way should Collingwood be throwing money at some medium sized average forward AGAIN.

 

[Johno9911]

Pass.

Does this mean you prefer Darling over the dog's pair? Understandable if so as he's younger and probably shown just as much as the other two.

I raise it only because I give us next to no chance of getting both Lever and Lynch this year. If Lever arrives I wouldn't mind Darling/Dickson/Crameri coming in as well to help out Moore and Reid up forward, or covering either along the way.

 

[didaksrightfoot]

With links to Darling as that medium/ third type forward, what are peoples thoughts on Crameri or Dickson from the dogs? While yes a bit older they would certainly be cheaper than Darling. Dickson looks a bit smaller only at ~185cm but geez he's a reliable set shot and has really good hands, and Crameri has only played 2 games in 2 years so would come with huge risk, yet is a bit bigger at 190cm and you could argue has more runs on the board. If the Lever deal gets done I think either of three would help Reid and Moore up forward. The reason I like either of the dogs boy's is that we keep Fas, outside of him I'm not to sure how a deal for Darling gets done.
A forward line set up of;
Elliot Moore Fasolo
Dickson Reid Kirby
Would certainly kick a lot of goals and be pretty hard for most defenses to set up on.

Two 29yo's who are fringe AFL players. NO.

I would much rather overpay for Darling (who really is a 2nd tall and one of those overrated to the point of being underrated guys IMO) or throw the kitchen sink at a (GC) Lynch type.
On that note - I really don't like the Casboult talk. Is being overated on what is one average season after a poor career.
I would either be spending big on a good young talent, try to bring over a young prospect or two who arent getting a game elsewhere and/or just go to the draft.

With our current list I dont see the point of any stop-gap veterans unless they are clearly quality players, or if they will provide leadership and experience to the group. (Eg. Wells, Hudson)

 

[Johno9911]

NO

Either draft the best possible forward or have the crack of all cracks at Lynch next year.

Play WHE in a pocket as the medium tall continue with Moore, Kirby, Elliot and Fasolo as the small mobile forward line which teams have had success with this year, its all about delivery and game plan.

No way should Collingwood be throwing money at some medium sized average forward AGAIN.

Respect your point of not wanting the bulldog boys, however your plan is to enter another season with a young KPF and a host of smalls as our only option, isn't it very akin to this year? I agree that other forward lines have had success with this set up, I assume we're both talking about Richmond, however their forward line has Jack Reiwoldt who is in the top 10 for goals this season, while Geelong has Hawkins who is also in there too. Now while I think Darcy will surpass both of them comfortably he's nowhere near capable enough to lead a small forward line next year. If he was 25/26 and expereienced then yeah sure, but for next year he needs a partner aside Reid who I think plays best down back anyway and is a big injury risk.

Also wouldn't call Darling average, will top 40-45 goals this year playing as the second fiddle to JJK.

 

[Anzacday]

A little reminder would be cheaper than Lever.

 

[Johno9911]

Two 29yo's who are fringe AFL players. NO.

I would much rather overpay for Darling (who really is a 2nd tall and one of those overrated to the point of being underrated guys IMO) or throw the kitchen sink at a (GC) Lynch type.

With our current list I dont see the point of any stop-gap veterans unless they are clearly quality players, or if they will provide leadership and experience to the group. (Eg. Wells, Hudson)

I agree that I would much prefer Darling over the other two, however only raised them as I feel the only way to get Darling atm would be if fas went the other way and was simply looking at as which would be a better result for our club in terms of goals,
Darling and ...? Daicos plays a slightly different role
or
Dickson and Fasolo

In terms of throwing the kitchen sink at Lynch I don't think we'd be able to do that until next year, as I don't see a way for us to get both Lever and Lynch this year.

 

[Mukesh]

Respect your point of not wanting the bulldog boys, however your plan is to enter another season with a young KPF and a host of smalls as our only option, isn't it very akin to this year? I agree that other forward lines have had success with this set up, I assume we're both talking about Richmond, however their forward line has Jack Reiwoldt who is in the top 10 for goals this season, while Geelong has Hawkins who is also in there too. Now while I think Darcy will surpass both of them comfortably he's nowhere near capable enough to lead a small forward line next year. If he was 25/26 and expereienced then yeah sure, but for next year he needs a partner aside Reid who I think plays best down back anyway and is a big injury risk.

Also wouldn't call Darling average, will top 40-45 goals this year playing as the second fiddle to JJK.

I think the point is neither Crameri or Dickson are KPF marking forwards...which is what we need. Of the three Darling is the best bet...but by no means a convincing one... Hopefully we are looking at addressing the KPF issue via the draft this year..