Do GWS have issues with trading for older players?

[Paul Kersey]

Just get the feeling if they don't do it with this list, well it'll be Brisbane all over again for forever and a day.

 

[Mofra]

Just get the feeling if they don't do it with this list, well it'll be Brisbane all over again for forever and a day.

GWS do have a habit of getting high draft picks for the players they trade out though so there will be a constant influx of high-end talent. I can't see them becoming the Bears.

 

[Farm Boy]

Umm Scull isnt our captain but a VC and took a pay cut to stay.

Shaw? Lol





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He had to take a pay cut at some point, right? Its not like his performance warranted staying on top dollar.

 

[Colonial]

Or your own fans on here that said they would win 3 or more flags.

Eh?

No we didnt.

We took this piss out of you lot and claimed we were promised 10 flags.

But we haven't talked it up.

Only ones doing that are the scaremongers.

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[Colonial]

He had to take a pay cut at some point, right? Its not like his performance warranted staying on top dollar.

Lol he has been great for us.

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[momentbymoment]

GWS made a point of being d**** from game 1. No respect. No class. I will enjoy watching them follow GC into the gutter.

 

[Farm Boy]

GWS made a point of being d**** from game 1. No respect. No class. I will enjoy watching them follow GC into the gutter.

That would be pretty funny. GWS have actually squandered a heap of early picks. There hasn't been much talk of it coming back to bite them, but it may be the thing that hurts them in the end. They did have a lot of luxury picks - but screwed up a heap of them.

 

[PP34]

That would be pretty funny. GWS have actually squandered a heap of early picks. There hasn't been much talk of it coming back to bite them, but it may be the thing that hurts them in the end. They did have a lot of luxury picks - but screwed up a heap of them.

Doubt that will cost them to be honest.

They've still got a number of young talents to come through who look the goods.

It will come down to player retention and what this thread is about in my opinion.

 

[Paul Kersey]

GWS do have a habit of getting high draft picks for the players they trade out though so there will be a constant influx of high-end talent. I can't see them becoming the Bears.

Probably been done to death, but poor performing club in a non football area with losses funded by the AFL etc. I can see that happening.

 

[The 747]

I think they did a very good job of trading in older players and Sheedy who taught the young players a competitive edge. But the young guys who are now their leaders might be expecting it to happen rather than making it happen.

For an analogy the Cats had a very talented young list in the early 2000s who played finals and were tipped to go onto big things - but it took a disastrous year (2006) for them to pull their finger out and turn that talent into something. And I would note that was player driven not coach driven. Perhaps the situation may be similar.

 

[King Brown]

Every great premiership side has to go through some heartbreaking losses and near misses before they can win one.

I remember how scary Brisbane were in 1999, but in 2000 they barely made finals and were seen as a bit flaky. For the first few rounds of the 2001 season they continued being mediocre, but then turned it around and never looked back.

 

[Mofra]

Probably been done to death, but poor performing club in a non football area with losses funded by the AFL etc. I can see that happening.

Gold Coast are already at that stage

 

[footyfan1978]

They finished the year 4th, half a game behind 1st, backing up from a prelim last year. If they beat WC at home this weekend, they will be par for the year.
This is likely.

Much, much better culture than 14 other side's.

The first part of your post I agree with but the last part is very open for debate and for mine, my own club having beaten your far more mature and talented list in a game this year, in a season we been blooding lots of youngsters tells me, it is certainly not better than my own clubs.

But you might be better dont you concentrate on the resurgence of the Blues. How long do you ylthink it'll be before you finish top 4? Will it even happen in our lifetimes?

I think he is fine to question Giants leadership after dropping the prelim final at home last season, Stevie J getting himself suspended for that important match and last weeks very lack lustre performance. If they go out in straight sets, people will be asking massive questions of the leadership at Giants. Everyone tends to agree Giants have the best list of players. They are not one of the younger lists in the league anymore.
The questions people are asking are more than fair enough given what we saw last week as follow up final to last year missing the grand final.

As for our Blues, our growth of young players is tracking really well and leadership traits being already instilled early into the batch the come through the draft in last two years. We still need to bring in more talent in coming drafts but on track to make finals in maybe 2 more years and top four probably 4 years off.

I think the Giants lack what premiership teams have had in the past.

So far, true.

 

[Orange Agent]

I'm not trolling though.

yeah right, seems like you have a few issues with us then.

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/afl-talks-about-equality.1097528/

Yet here we are with GWS, a soon to be manufactured premiership side/dynasty.

Call me a whinging Carlton fan, sooking because his joke of a team is getting arse whipped by them but it's the truth and you know it.

I had to make this thread after hearing some of the tripe David King speaks. "how good is this?", "they have a great amount of talent" etc. No shit you fat campaigner Kingy. Give any team the concessions they've had and we'll see this kind of play.

Is this what we want footy fans? We talk up equality, bring in ridiculous caps on footy department spending and yet here we are with a side in GWS and possibly Gold Coast that will dominate the league up in areas where quite frankly nobody gives a rat toss about football.

Draft concessions, mini drafts etc. What is this? The 1980s? Why don't we bring back zoning and salary cap cheating if we're gonna be like that. And before you have a go at me for going for Carlton, I wasn't aroids back then so have never agreed or barracked for sides that were pumped up by that.

What other sports league has ever manufactured teams like this? I doubt you would find any.

Just need the AFL to keep helping out the Swans while teams like Brisbane, Carlton etc will struggle to be relevant.

It is an absolute farce and get real if you want to enjoy these fake ******* franchises dominate the league.

P.S if you want to talk about what team I follow or if I supported expansion from day one ( I never liked it) head off to the bay.

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/jonathon-patton.1168212/

Reading the criticism of McCartin by many on this board this year and even before that, you'd think he's been in the league 5 years.

Jonathon Patton on the other hand has been in the league for that long now. Now he certainly hasn't been terrible since coming in and obviously dealt with knee issues, but why is there seemingly so little analysis and criticism of him as a pick one while McCartin bashers won't even allow the bloke to play 5 straight games without saying what a failure he is?

He kicked 38 goals last year which was his career best and is on track for about the same amount this season. In a team stacked so much and so great at getting the ball into the forward 50 surely that's not that amazing for a bloke that went pick one?

Again, he's a good footballer but as a pick one I don't feel like his performances really live up to the tag and he hasn't got half as much criticism as the likes of Jack Watts, Paddy McCartin have.

I find the double standards amusing, particularly when it comes to McCartin who has spent a lot of time dealing with injury issues.

There's a number of players from the 2011 draft that are better than him too.

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/lachie-whitfield.1176512/

Former pick ones seem to cop a fair bit of shit unless they look like a jet from day one.

Gibbs, Watts, Boyd etc all have copped pastings from opposition fans for years.

Whitfield has done nothing but win uncontested footy his entire career and it's been nothing but silence.

Pick one on a soft wingman.

Why no discussion about him?

All threads started by this same OP who posts the same kind of anti-GWS tripe on a regular basis.

 

[Bokonon_]

The first part of your post I agree with but the last part is very open for debate and for mine, my own club having beaten your far more mature and talented list in a game this year, in a season we been blooding lots of youngsters tells me, it is certainly not better than my own clubs.



I think he is fine to question Giants leadership after dropping the prelim final at home last season, Stevie J getting himself suspended for that important match and last weeks very lack lustre performance. If they go out in straight sets, people will be asking massive questions of the leadership at Giants. Everyone tends to agree Giants have the best list of players. They are not one of the younger lists in the league anymore.
The questions people are asking are more than fair enough given what we saw last week as follow up final to last year missing the grand final.

As for our Blues, our growth of young players is tracking really well and leadership traits being already instilled early into the batch the come through the draft in last two years. We still need to bring in more talent in coming drafts but on track to make finals in maybe 2 more years and top four probably 4 years off.

So far, true.

We've finished top 4 two years in a row, that's not a fail by any objective measure. The issues in the OP are things only known in the inner sanctum. With no knowlege or information, in fact in complete ignorance, he's making definitive statements. Some of which are not even factually correct from what is known.

Yep he's trolling. I made a comparison to try to lead him to reality but that's not gonna happen clearly.

I wish I could post a speech from our awards night in 2015 by Sheeds. I cant locate the Video, but the gist of it was flags are very hard to win. Many successful teams dont. In his many years at the Bombers with very talented sides he managed three.
That we need to prepare for that future and understand that winning a flag is the ultimate, and wont come easily or often. In my view he's a very smart dude.
Very relevant in this case.
You just cant set an expectation that any playing group needs to win every flag or be a failure. It's a view only a nuffie could hold.

 

[Jiggyman]

Might have been a bit harsh on him but I don't see him as Voss or a Hodge type leader.

Not setting a high bar or anything there, mate.

 

[offtherails9]

Every great premiership side has to go through some heartbreaking losses and near misses before they can win one.

I remember how scary Brisbane were in 1999, but in 2000 they barely made finals and were seen as a bit flaky. For the first few rounds of the 2001 season they continued being mediocre, but then turned it around and never looked back.

Not a bad call. Look at Geelong as someone else mentioned or even the Hawks who (bar having a good patch in 08 and things going their way - something that could have very well happened to the Giants last year) in 2011 and 12 were looked at as having missed their chance at a flag and almost labeled 'chokers'.

Still a young list at it's core, some good moves and they can win flags. It's never as bad as it seems.

 

[living_in_syd]

A few Tiger fans I know have a different view. Agree to differ.

A few Tiger fans? No one on Bigfooty agrees with you mate.

Despite how it worked out so far (Lids can get better just a bit cooked at the moment from soft tissue injuries and he needs needles to him going), Lids was always loved at Richmond even during our darkest days.

Yes it has worked out for us so far and we the trade occurred we ended up being okay with it because we got great return for him. Before the start of the season I didn’t mind him seeing him win the flag with GWS, but clearly things have changed now and most like have to face him in the PF… hopefully it doesn’t burn us…

 

[Bokonon_]

A few Tiger fans? No one on Bigfooty agrees with you mate.

Despite how it worked out so far (Lids can get better just a bit cooked at the moment from soft tissue injuries and he needs needles to him going), Lids was always loved at Richmond even during our darkest days.

Yes it has worked out for us so far and we the trade occurred we ended up being okay with it because we got great return for him. Before the start of the season I didn’t mind him seeing him win the flag with GWS, but clearly things have changed now and most like have to face him in the PF… hopefully it doesn’t burn us…

Agree about Deledio, he needs time to produce his best. While he's trained with our playing group I also think you need game time to learn your teamates strengths and capacity etc. His biggest threat to your guys will be next year maybe

 

[The_Flying_Egg]

There are no questions about Griffen's finals performances .. he was a brilliant finals player at the Dogs, our best in finals.


PS: this is the last time I will say nice things about him

 

[PP34]

Not setting a high bar or anything there, mate.

Bar is high to win flags

 

[Jiggyman]

Bar is high to win flags

You named both captains from 2 triple-premiership winning dynasties. These guys don't pop up all the time, had a similar discussion with someone hellbent on recruiting 'leaders' in our next draft... Hard to say at 18, even guys like Hodge had their issues early on.

 

[PP34]

yeah right, seems like you have a few issues with us then.

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/afl-talks-about-equality.1097528/



https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/jonathon-patton.1168212/



https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/lachie-whitfield.1176512/



All threads started by this same OP who posts the same kind of anti-GWS tripe on a regular basis.

I'm critical of plenty of teams.

And yes I'm not a fan of GWS. Get over it.

Go cry somewhere else.

 

[Bokonon_]

I'm critical of plenty of teams.

And yes I'm not a fan of GWS. Get over it.

Go cry somewhere else.

Wherever did you get the idea it was ok to tell anyone where they can post?

 

[PP34]

Wherever did you get the idea it was ok to tell anyone where they can post?

Where did you get the idea you can derail every GWS thread with posts sooking about what certain posters are saying?