List Mgmt. Trade & F.A. 2017 (if a scenario sounds wrong - read on before posting)

[TradeDraft]

That just highlights the incompetence of the people making key decisions at our club and why we are in this period of failure at the moment.

and Won't get Better when People at the Top like Bucks and Eddie Go

 

[Seedsfan]

Depends on the cost.

Say if we take Brander with pick 6 (seems to be where most guides rate him), no reason we would be "kicking ourselves" for missing Schache.
Just coz hes 2 years older doesnt make him a better prospect - especially when his most recent form has been pretty poor, for the wooden spooners, when their other young KPF has had a breakout year.

I understand that you seem to know more about him, and more about what might be going on off-field, but doesnt change his on field output... and his infield output thus far leaves serious question marks for me about where his potential really sits. (Again - if we get him at a fair price - absolutely do it he's worth a shot - but the club has to be clear what they consider "fair" and have conviction not to chase up the price just coz Brisbane is playing hardball. I would rather miss out him and see how he develops than overpay - and personally i think pick 6 is overpaying. Plus - if its as you say - chances are he will face the same rumours every off season and another year or two would give you a much better idea of how good he will or wont be)

He looked to be a star in his first season and also still holds the goal kicking record for the national championships. I am confident he is our best option going forward

 

[JustInsideFifty]

If it's true that clubs will be reluctant to trade next year's picks, it could be interesting negotiations for the GWS guys...
Smith - linked with us... first pick 6, next pick 36
Kennedy - linked with Carlton... first pick 3, next pick 38
Wilson - linked with Dockers... first pick 5, next pick 40

 

[3rdMan]

Jake Lever would pretty much be a perfect fit for us. He's exactly what we need and more urgently than a key forward (forward we have Moore and Cox into the future, back it's McClarty and a heavily used Reid).

He will pair very well with McClarty, the bigger more lockdown type at full back with Lever at CHB. He gets to play help defence and still use his intercept abilities. His role would be the equal of Ben Reid's when he played with Nathan Brown. At 195cm, lever should not be compared with Scharenberg or Howe who are simply not capable of playing KPP. There is some very slight question as to how good a man on man defender, will he be a gun or just good? As the secondary defender at CHB that's a bit less important, and we already know his help defence and intercept attributes are elite. He'd be a great get and there's no doubt we'd take him if we could.

I want three star key position players, one on each line would be ideal. We have 2/3 and just need a defender. Paying for more than 3 is irresponsible, KPP are not as important as they have been, we need stars in other positions.

 

[CFC2010]

Interesting article, says alot about bucks's personality.

“The two years before that I’d lost enjoyment as well. A few of my really good mates had been let go or traded away.

“With Heath Shaw and Beamsy (Dayne Beams) going, a lot of my tight connections had sort of gone and I was getting a bit frustrated in there.

“I looked at it and thought, ‘Do I want to put myself through another couple of years of this, and at the end of it there’s no guarantee I’ll have a football career, or do I seek a fresh start?”

The infamous "Pies Culture Revolution" cost us another one. Seedsman should also be humble and thankful for his start at our Club. He is living a dream tomorrow.

By the way Matz reading that article the bolded part above is the most significant part for me anyway.

The Bucks personality part is just more laying the boots in IMO #blamebucks.

 

[CFC2010]

Pretty much what we already know, majority of people who play at Collingwood don't enjoy it.

People say winning will improve the culture, won't happen until blokes like Bucks and Pendles are gone.

Name them BEEG or stop talking shit mate.

 

[pablo disco bar]

So

Interesting article, says alot about bucks's personality.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...s/news-story/f211e2c897db0ff4f892dcca3453a36d







Crows have their final say

AFL News

Lifelong Collingwood supporter Paul Seedsman explains how he fell out of love with the Magpies

SAM LANDSBERGER, Herald Sun

37 minutes ago

Subscriber only

PAUL Seedsman was a ‘Buckley’s Brigade’ member at Collingwood when he was 10.

He would queue at family days with a black marker, eagerly awaiting the next player’s ink on his jumper.

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Seedsman would sleep under the stars, with black and white posters decorating his bedroom walls.

Leon Davis was his favourite player, with Chris Tarrant not far behind. Weekends were made or broken by the MCG scoreboard.

At 12, Seedsman graduated out of signed Magpie jumpers and into the club’s tracksuit.

In Year 10, Seedsman spent a week at the club on work experience, which included kicking the balls back to players from behind the goals at training.

“I remember Mick Malthouse stopping and having a chat with me for about 10 or 15 minutes,” Seedsman said, “and I was too scared to tell him I wanted to play football for Collingwood.”

Two years later and Seedsman the player shook Malthouse the coach’s hand, the Magpies drafting him at pick 76 in 2010.

It was fairytale stuff. Seedsman joined the club great grandfather Jim Sharp played at and then was president of 100 years ago.

List manager Derek Hine warned his newest draftee to take the scarf off and immediately exit supporter mode. Failure to do so, Hine said, would see Seedsman quickly spat out of the system.

Seedsman responded. He made a Round 1 debut and quickly took the eyes of supporters as a dashing defender with a raking right foot.

Paul Seedsman and Jackson Paine celebrate playing in their first wins for Collingwood.

In 2015 he won the Anzac Day Medal after carving up Essendon with 31 disposals. Then, the dream disintegrated.

“I sort of just fell out of favour,” Seedsman said.

“I played one game in the back end of that year, so I worked out pretty quickly the direction the club was going.

“At the time they’d offered me a couple of years and I said, ‘I want to know where I sit first before I commit’.”

Collingwood wanted Seedsman. But Seedsman no longer wanted Collingwood. It was akin to finding out Santa isn’t real, and so he requested a trade.





“There’s not much more to say on that. There’s a little bit behind the scenes with a few people not seeing eye-to-eye, but that’s football,” he said.

So, was it hard to ask for an exit from his childhood version of heaven?

“It wasn’t something I took lightly,” Seedsman said.

“The two years before that I’d lost enjoyment as well. A few of my really good mates had been let go or traded away.

“With Heath Shaw and Beamsy (Dayne Beams) going, a lot of my tight connections had sort of gone and I was getting a bit frustrated in there.

“I looked at it and thought, ‘Do I want to put myself through another couple of years of this, and at the end of it there’s no guarantee I’ll have a football career, or do I seek a fresh start?”

Nathan Buckley talks with Paul Seedsman.

As 2015 went downhill, Seedsman battled in the VFL confused at what was required by coach Nathan Buckley.

“It was mixed messages,” he said.

“I never really knew exactly what was needed (to get selected). It sort of chopped and changed, which was where some of the frustration would come from.

“You’d do one thing and during the week you’re told to do something else. I really couldn’t tell you to be honest, it jumped around a bit and it’s a tough question to answer.”

Seedsman expected to find another Melbourne club, and the Kangaroos were reportedly keen.

But Adelaide was the first to flag interest as football boss David Noble, list manager Justin Reid and recruiter Hamish Ogilve jetted into Melbourne.

“I was just blown away with their presentation,” Seedsman said.

“The list they’d created and everything they’d gone through (with coach Phil Walsh dying) and to see the football they were still playing, with that final win against the Bulldogs.

“A lot of things that I value the club valued and they made it clear they were really keen.

Nathan Buckley congratulates Paul Seedsman after winning the Anzac Medal. Picture: Wayne Ludbey

So Seedsman wiped the slate clean and packed his bags for the Crows, in exchange for pick 32.

He became good mates with Kyle Cheney, Brad and Matt Crouch and captain Taylor Walker and said the West Lakes locker room resembled a local footy club.

“I’m a laid-back character and they just accepted me for who I was right from the word go, whereas at Collingwood at times that was seen as lazy and disinterested,” Seedsman said.

“It was refreshing. Sometimes around a captain you’re walking on eggshells and don’t want to say something wrong or do something wrong, whereas I feel (Walker) is very accepting.

“He makes everything so comfortable. If you want to have a beer on the weekend you ask him — sometimes you feel you’ve got to be on the down-low, whereas you can just be upfront about it.”

Seedsman lowered his golf handicap from 23 to 12 at the Crows, where coach Don Pyke plays off scratch.

It is on the greens where Pyke’s personality flows.

“When he misses a shot he can show a bit of frustration,” Seedsman said.

Paul Seedsman and Hugh Greenwood enjoy the Grand Final parade. Picture: Sarah Reed

“But he’s very measured. He doesn’t get all that flustered and he’s very calm.”

So, what about Bucks?

“He was a bit different. He was very intense and at times we saw things differently,” Seedsman said.

“Whether he was right or whether I was right, it didn’t matter. We didn’t see eye-to-eye on decisions, but it works for some people and it doesn’t work for others.

“We sat down at the end of it and I’d had four years of him as senior coach and I have a lot to be thankful for.

“I played close to 50 games and he gave me a fair bit of opportunity and towards the end I wasn’t in his plans going forwards, so it was a good decision to shake hands and move on.

“I can’t speak for what he’s been like the past couple of years, but he was learning every year in the caper.

“He was obviously a very intense and professional player — and an amazing player — and he sort of took all those traits into coaching.

Paul Seedsman is happy at the Crows. Picture: Sarah Reed

“So he was just very intense for me.”

Seedsman’s Anzac Day performance bodes well for Saturday as one of 44 Grand Final virgins.

It appears as if Seedsman has made a Steven Bradbury-type surge into Adelaide’s line-up. After overcoming groin problems, he played only Round 19 and Round 23 before September.

Both those games came as an injury replacement — with Eddie Betts (appendix) and Brad Crouch cheekbone) in Round 19 and then Daniel Talia (ankle) and Walker (toe) in Round 23 — but he has flourished.

The sizzling wingman has slotted five goals in four games, averaging 18 disposals.

Does Saturday’s shot at glory vindicate the move out of the Magpies?

“Making a Grand Final or not, the decision had been validated by the enjoyment I’ve got back in playing football, and life in general,” Seedsman said.

“If it could be further validated, it has been. With or without the finals, I couldn’t be happier with the decision. This is just the cherry on top.”



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So we wanted to keep him
....buckleys fault it seems

 

[ottoman]

What I found interesting was that players are told not to be supporters.
I would have thought having a passion for the club your playing for would be a good thing.

 

[Seedsfan]

Jake Lever would pretty much be a perfect fit for us. He's exactly what we need and more urgently than a key forward (forward we have Moore and Cox into the future, back it's McClarty and a heavily used Reid).

He will pair very well with McClarty, the bigger more lockdown type at full back with Lever at CHB. He gets to play help defence and still use his intercept abilities. His role would be the equal of Ben Reid's when he played with Nathan Brown. At 195cm, lever should not be compared with Scharenberg or Howe who are simply not capable of playing KPP. There is some very slight question as to how good a man on man defender, will he be a gun or just good? As the secondary defender at CHB that's a bit less important, and we already know his help defence and intercept attributes are elite. He'd be a great get and there's no doubt we'd take him if we could.

I want three star key position players, one on each line would be ideal. We have 2/3 and just need a defender. Paying for more than 3 is irresponsible, KPP are not as important as they have been, we need stars in other positions.

Cox will never make it as a key forward, we have more options down back our number focus must be a forward

 

[surfer1]

Pretty much what we already know, majority of people who play at Collingwood don't enjoy it.

People say winning will improve the culture, won't happen until blokes like Bucks and Pendles are gone.

Lets not make it another Bucks thread please and shame on you about Pendles

 

[JustInsideFifty]

Jake Lever would pretty much be a perfect fit for us. He's exactly what we need and more urgently than a key forward (forward we have Moore and Cox into the future, back it's McClarty and a heavily used Reid).

He will pair very well with McClarty, the bigger more lockdown type at full back with Lever at CHB. He gets to play help defence and still use his intercept abilities. His role would be the equal of Ben Reid's when he played with Nathan Brown. At 195cm, lever should not be compared with Scharenberg or Howe who are simply not capable of playing KPP. There is some very slight question as to how good a man on man defender, will he be a gun or just good? As the secondary defender at CHB that's a bit less important, and we already know his help defence and intercept attributes are elite. He'd be a great get and there's no doubt we'd take him if we could.

I want three star key position players, one on each line would be ideal. We have 2/3 and just need a defender. Paying for more than 3 is irresponsible, KPP are not as important as they have been, we need stars in other positions.

I agree with what you're saying 100%, but the price being spoken about is way too much.
The $ being spoken about would put him in the top 1-2 paid players on our list.
The picks being spoken about would pretty much wipe us out of this draft and/or put a huge dent in next year's.
Pick 6 and $550k or something I could live with, but it seems that that ain't even close.

 

[Seedsfan]

Pretty much what we already know, majority of people who play at Collingwood don't enjoy it.

People say winning will improve the culture, won't happen until blokes like Bucks and Pendles are gone.

Bad call, has nothing to do with Pendlebury. He was vice captain when we won the flag. During a time people loved playing at the club. The problem all steams from Buckley and his inability to relate with different personalities

 

[Apex36]

Why Pendles?

Did you read the article? The comment about stepping on eggshells around the captain was pretty telling imo.

 

[Seedsfan]

Yes he did.

Talking honestly is not potting the club. Saying he didn't enjoy his time there isn't potting the club neither is saying he and Buckley didn't see eye to eye

 

[Seedsfan]

Did you read the article? The comment about stepping on eggshells around the captain was pretty telling imo.

The captain though is an extension of the coach. Buckley will set the standards he wants the players to live by. Someone like Pendlebury will up hold that and will want to see that from the players. You look at Pyke he is a lot more relaxed with his approach and that flows down through the rest of the club

 

[3rdMan]

Cox will never make it as a key forward, we have more options down back our number focus must be a forward

That wasn't my point. We have Moore who projects to be a star. In the ruck we have Grundy. I don't want any more than three star talls. Ideally, we would have one on each line, so adding a star KPD works better than another forward.

Around our three star KPP we then fill in with solid options, we don't need pick 6 for those. We have McClarty down back, Cox up forward (who I agree my not be good enough). We would need one more young key forward, but looking for a solid partner to Moore is easier than trying to get a gun.

So, I only want one more star KPP, no more. Either forward or back, but for balance back would be better.

 

[Apex36]

That wasn't my point. We have Moore who projects to be a star. In the ruck we have Grundy. I don't want any more than three star talls. Ideally, we would have one on each line, so adding a star KPD works better than another forward.

Around our three star KPP we then fill in with solid options, we don't need pick 6 for those. We have McClarty down back, Cox up forward (who I agree my not be good enough). We would need one more young key forward, but looking for a solid partner to Moore is easier than trying to get a gun.

So, I only want one more star KPP, no more. Either forward or back, but for balance back would be better.

Pity that Lever isn’t, and may never be a star KPP then.

 

[Seedsfan]

That wasn't my point. We have Moore who projects to be a star. In the ruck we have Grundy. I don't want any more than three star talls. Ideally, we would have one on each line, so adding a star KPD works better than another forward.

Around our three star KPP we then fill in with solid options, we don't need pick 6 for those. We have McClarty down back, Cox up forward (who I agree my not be good enough). We would need one more young key forward, but looking for a solid partner to Moore is easier than trying to get a gun.

So, I only want one more star KPP, no more. Either forward or back, but for balance back would be better.

Limiting yourself to three good talks is odd. But anyway you go after a forward and if they don't work they can still make it as a defender. Also we will never contend for a flag if Cox is our second tall

 

[TradeDraft]

 

[left at home]

With respect to previous posters, all of our trade moves are pure scuttlebutt. No one has anything concrete and to be honest i would be disappointed if club figures were divulging our trade strategy to members of the public. FWIW am I the inly one who thinks it is better to attack the draft and try for a gun next year? Bringing in Watts or Smith smacks of our previously flawed trading strategy-bringing in blokes like White, Russell, Mayne and Lynch. Players with known limitations or on the wrong side of their career projection. Pass thanks.

I to only want to hit the draft as too many seem like depth players
Talent is the key, we need more high end.

 

[3rdMan]

Limiting yourself to three good talks is odd. But anyway you go after a forward and if they don't work they can still make it as a defender. Also we will never contend for a flag if Cox is our second tall

I'm not a fan of talls, their importance in the game is dwindling and they usually have short careers that start late and end early. And I'm talking only three "star" talls that will cost us a lot of money. I wouldn't waste the cash on more than three stars, prefer to pay for more quality mids.

 

[TradeDraft]

I to only want to hit the draft as too many seem like depth players
Talent is the key, we need more high end.

Well we need more 1st Round Picks then

 

[TradeDraft]

I'm not a fan of talls, their importance in the game is dwindling and they usually have short careers that start late and end early. And I'm talking only three "star" talls that will cost us a lot of money. I wouldn't waste the cash on more than three stars, prefer to pay for more quality mids.

So you think in the Future you might have a Team full of Players under 185CM's?

 

[Go Woods]

Devon Smith toured Essendon facilities today...Ch7 reporting he'll nominate one either Essendon,Geelong or Carlton....pretty much rules us out then.

 

[HFF]

Devon Smith toured Essendon facilities today...Ch7 reporting he'll nominate one either Essendon,Geelong or Carlton....pretty much rules us out then.

Thank god.
You could guarantee we would have had to pay top premium if he had.