And then there were 2 to break drought - Saints and Dees

[threesixpio]

Does the success of Dogs and Tigers offer hope for Saints and Melbourne fans?

Dees might do it.

Saints never will. Which makes me pretty happy

 

[Blue1980]

The 50 odd year droughts put ours into perspective a bit, at least I clearly remember us winning in 1995 and was going to matches nearly every week that year.

Something told me to enjoy it while I could as a 14-15 year old, and I’m glad I did.

 

[Komrade_Tiger]

I'm not talking about the umpiring in the H&A season but the umpiring was pretty heavily in Richmond's favour in the prelim and GF.

Free Kicks

Preliminary Final Grand Final

GWS 28-27 Richmond Adelaide 19-24 Richmond


50M Penalties


Preliminary Final Grand Final

GWS 0-0 Richmond Adelaide 2-0 Richmond



TOTALLY biased now isnt it?

get the **** over yourself. you're ****ing pathetic you know that

 

[footyfan1978]

a much higher standard than yesterday's game and our H&A game against Geelong back in 2009 when both teams were undefeated is the greatest H&A game I've seen so to call us an ugly side back then is just garbage.

You need to get out more if you trying to compare ugly styles of footy and which one is more effective and attractive. If that is the best you seen, I pity you.

 

[footyfan1978]

The 50 odd year droughts put ours into perspective a bit, at least I clearly remember us winning in 1995 and was going to matches nearly every week that year.

Something told me to enjoy it while I could as a 14-15 year old, and I’m glad I did.

We had already brought our celebratory drinks at quarter time that day. I reckon we were 5 minutes into the game and we looked at each other and knew it was all ours. I glad we made the most of it as been a long wait since.

 

[flamethrower]

Dogs finished seventh in 2016 and looked way off at times during that year with a shocking injury list. Look what happened! Tigers finished thirteenth last year; did anyone predict their rise to Premiership glory in March this year?

Mate, even the Cats in 2006 looked stuffed. I was only twenty-two at the time and never thought I'd ever see us win a flag. Fast-forward twelve months and we were victorious by the greatest winning margin in Grand Final history.

I'm really not trying to sound patronising, but so much can turn around in twelve months' time. I'm not sure who your trade targets are this off-season, but Richmond just proved that the smart recruitment of several key players can have a profound effect on the side.

All you can do, as a supporter, is keep hoping. When that day comes, it'll be all worth it. Like Cats fans will tell you, as will Bulldogs and Tigers fans, it's a surreal feeling and the relief and elation instantly wipes away all the tears and heartache of yesteryear.

Onwards and upwards in 2018.

That is one way to look at it. But the stats showed that we had a game style suited to finals football, with relentless pressure and a huge contested ball differential. Champion Data and stats guru David King were banging on about it all year. The Bulldogs were a top 2 team decimated by bad luck, hoping for a break come September. And the planets aligned with the return of key personel, allowing them to execute that premiership quality game plan.

The 2017 Richmond team have based their game on similar fundamentals of relentless pressure that will turn even the best flat track bullies, front runners and run and gun attacks into a blubbering mess.

 

[Flandersss]

Dees might do it.

Saints never will. Which makes me pretty happy

Great username, you know so much about footy..

 

[The Unforgiven]

That is one way to look at it. But the stats showed that we had a game style suited to finals football, with relentless pressure and a huge contested ball differential. Champion Data and stats guru David King were banging on about it all year. The Bulldogs were a top 2 team decimated by bad luck, hoping for a break come September. And the planets aligned with the return of key personel, allowing them to execute that premiership quality game plan.

The 2017 Richmond team have based their game on similar fundamentals of relentless pressure that will turn even the best flat track bullies, front runners and run and gun attacks into a blubbering mess.

The point was to illustrate that like Richmond, you guys came from seemingly nowhere and plucked an unlikely flag from obscurity. Both teams adopted and consistently implemented throughout the finals a style of footy which seemingly works in September.

The same thing could happen to either the Saints or the Dees. It might seem laughable now, but so would it have seemed laughable in 2015 if you'd have said the Dogs would win a flag or in 2016 if you'd said the Tigers would have won one.

 

[SdKfz 181]

I'm not talking about the umpiring in the H&A season but the umpiring was pretty heavily in Richmond's favour in the prelim and GF.

You may well have won those games regardless but it's a shame when big finals aren't umpired fairly anymore and it leaves a bad taste in the mouth.



The 2009 and 2010 drawn GF were two of the highest standard GFs of the past 30 years, a much higher standard than yesterday's game and our H&A game against Geelong back in 2009 when both teams were undefeated is the greatest H&A game I've seen so to call us an ugly side back then is just garbage.



A lunatic for thinking the umpiring in the last 2 years has been rubbish and biased towards the two Victorian teams? Must be a lot of lunatics out there.

About the only people thinking the umpiring in those GFs was fine are Bulldogs and Richmond supporters because they don't want their flags to be tainted.

They are not tainted.

 

[Trav 20]

Obviously, I hope to be around when we win one, but I have this feeling that it will be a slight letdown if it happens.

I crave it so much I doubt it will live up to expectations. It might momentarily, but I'm skeptical of how sustaining it will be.

But I'd like to find out.

Hopefully, I wouldn't behave like Dogs fans during the off-season.

 

[Plugger35]

Free Kicks

Preliminary Final Grand Final

GWS 28-27 Richmond Adelaide 19-24 Richmond


50M Penalties


Preliminary Final Grand Final

GWS 0-0 Richmond Adelaide 2-0 Richmond



TOTALLY biased now isnt it?

get the **** over yourself. you're ******* pathetic you know that

The final free kick count doesn't tell the whole story, especially when the umpires often even up the free kick once the game is decided.

When the game was on the line in the first half the umpiring was ridiculously one sided in Richmond's favour and helped give you the momentum.

If those umpires are the best umpires in the AFL then we're in trouble, how they missed Betts being dragged off the ball in the 2nd qtr was unbelievable.

You need to get out more if you trying to compare ugly styles of footy and which one is more effective and attractive. If that is the best you seen, I pity you.

Can you name a better H&A game than that one between St Kilda and Geelong? It was a much better standard than any game I've seen in recent years.

 

[Komrade_Tiger]

The final free kick count doesn't tell the whole story, especially when the umpires often even up the free kick once the game is decided.

When the game was on the line in the first half the umpiring was ridiculously one sided in Richmond's favour and helped give you the momentum.

If those umpires are the best umpires in the AFL then we're in trouble, how they missed Betts being dragged off the ball in the 2nd qtr was unbelievable.



Can you name a better H&A game than that one between St Kilda and Geelong? It was a much better standard than any game I've seen in recent years.

aaaand now i've heard it all.

first half? lol, we were up by 9 points. By that logic even with umpire assistant in the 3rd/4th Adelaide couldn't beat us. You really just need to give up for you're own good

you're so ****ing biased it's not funny, that's why no-one takes your delusional foaming rants serious. FOTY indeed.......

 

[McCrann]

And

Does the success of Dogs and Tigers offer hope for Saints and Melbourne fans?

Fremantle. 23 years and nothing to show so far.

They are third on this list and have played in most AFL seasons (23/28).

 

[footyfan1978]

Can you name a better H&A game than that one between St Kilda and Geelong? It was a much better standard than any game I've seen in recent years.

Clearly you restricted in amount of games you seen if you see most of your games with worst club history in league. I understand. Obviously many games I've been to you will never see as I was at them live at the ground and quite a few lost by channel 7 but one closer to your memory banks to find is the North v Essendon game of late 90's when I went along to the G, Carey kick 8 or 9 sublime goals at one end and Lloyd about the same at other. ****, there are about 20 games of this or more standard I've seen that I been enthralled by over the years.
The Carlton v Hawks games of early 80's at Princes Park had to be seen to be believed how awesome they were to be at live. Geez, even one game Lethal Leigh and Gary Ablett were powerless to stop the show on display. There are so many the Saints v Cats one pales in comparison. Do not get me wrong, it was a good game and close you saw but ****, if that is the best game you seen, you really have not seen much at all.

 

[Plugger35]

aaaand now i've heard it all.

first half? lol, we were up by 9 points. By that logic even with umpire assistant in the 3rd/4th Adelaide couldn't beat us. You really just need to give up for you're own good

you're so ******* biased it's not funny, that's why no-one takes your delusional foaming rants serious. FOTY indeed.......

I think you'll find you're the one that is biased, have a look at the match thread from yesterday, I'm not the only one that thought the umpiring was terrible and favoured Richmond.

The GF used to be the best umpired game of the year where there was no bias and only the most obvious free kicks were paid, that hasn't been the case the last two years though, the umpiring has been just as bad as the umpiring we see during the H&A season.

Obviously, I hope to be around when we win one, but I have this feeling that it will be a slight letdown if it happens.

I crave it so much I doubt it will live up to expectations. It might momentarily, but I'm skeptical of how sustaining it will be.

But I'd like to find out.

Hopefully, I wouldn't behave like Dogs fans during the off-season.

Both St Kilda and Melbourne should play finals next year, I doubt either will win a flag but I would have said the same about the Bulldogs and Richmond.

The competition is quite even at the moment with no really great teams so it gives every team some hope that they snatch a flag if they get things right.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Please take this umpiring shit elsewhere!

 

[Komrade_Tiger]

I think you'll find you're the one that is biased, have a look at the match thread from yesterday, I'm not the only one that thought the umpiring was terrible and favoured Richmond.

The GF used to be the best umpired game of the year where there was no bias and only the most obvious free kicks were paid, that hasn't been the case the last two years though, the umpiring has been just as bad as we see during the H&A season.



Both St Kilda and Melbourne should play finals next year, I doubt either will win a flag but I would have said the same about the Bulldogs and Richmond.

The competition is quite even at the moment with no really great teams so it gives every team some hope that they snatch a flag if they get things right.

nope, i'm not biased. Are there bad calls? yes, has happened in every single game in VFL/WAFL/SANFL/AFL history.

Lets look at the Rd. 23 ladder

1. Western Bulldogs +62 (433 for, 371 against)

2. Brisbane Lions +47 (446, 399)

3. Collingwood +45 (394, 349)

4. North Melbourne +38 (434, 396)

5. West Coast +32 (414, 382)

6. Carlton +29 (440, 411)

7. St Kilda +18 (392, 374)

8. Adelaide +2 (436, 434)

9. Gold Coast -3 (381, 384)

10. Melbourne -5 (409, 414)

11. Essendon -15 (392, 407)

12. Geelong -18 (457, 475)

13. Sydney -21 (417, 438)

14. Hawthorn -27 (364, 391)

15. Port Adelaide -34 (418, 452)

16. Fremantle -39 (375, 414)

17. GWS -45 (404, 449)

18. Richmond -66 (401, 467)

oh look!
Richmond with -66 Differential.
St. Kilda who you continuously bitch and moan about as being hated by the umpires have +18!

If you're expecting perfect umpiring in a tightly contested high pressure game then you're even more ****ing delusional than i took you for.

we're done here.

 

[Scotland]

I'm not talking about the umpiring in the H&A season but the umpiring was pretty heavily in Richmond's favour in the prelim and GF.

You may well have won those games regardless but it's a shame when big finals aren't umpired fairly anymore and it leaves a bad taste in the mouth.

The piss weak free kick to Townsend followed by no free to Betts in the goals square summed up the first half for me.

Adelaide were putrid in the second half and in a way I'm glad it was an easy win in the end because the umpires also got stage fright.

I don't buy into biases and narratives in the sense of the umpires walking out onto the ground wanting a team to win or having instructions from AFL house etc. but **** me Rance and Martin had their own set of rules out there. Detracts from the game as a neutral. Martin is awesome and in phenomenal form, but I hate watching him and thinking 'well that would've been paid holding the ball against the 35 other players on the field'.

 

[Murraj1966]

Makes me feel just more cursed to be honest.

Goal hits the post in 2009 but now we have score review.

Drawn grand final where we had the momentum in 2010 but no more drawn grand finals now.

If St Kilda ever win a premiership it'll be a bigger break of the universe than either of the last two flags because it's against the laws of nature. It's no wonder in 1966 that England won the World Cup; the sporting gods were hungover and not paying attention.

 

[Great8]

Have family members who support the Dees so wouldn't mind seeing them enjoy the feeling one day. Pretty sad to think that unless you are in your 60's you have never seen your side win a flag.

 

[Bazza97]

I think both teams will at least contend for a premiership in the next 5 years or so whether that's for a sustained period or not. If I had to choose which team will get themselves in contention first, probably Melbourne.

 

[Plugger35]

Makes me feel just more cursed to be honest.

Goal hits the post in 2009 but now we have score review.

Drawn grand final where we had the momentum in 2010 but no more drawn grand finals now.

If St Kilda ever win a premiership it'll be a bigger break of the universe than either of the last two flags because it's against the laws of nature. It's no wonder in 1966 that England won the World Cup; the sporting gods were hungover and not paying attention.

Well there is a lot of luck involved in winning a flag and we haven't had much, when we were challenging for premierships in 2009/10 we came up against two of the strongest teams of recent years in Geelong and Collingwood, both of whom had a lot more experience playing at the MCG than we did, Collingwood played about 10 games in a row at the MCG leading into the 2010 finals series.

Compare that to the premierships of the last 5 years where Hawthorn, the Bulldogs and Richmond all came up against interstate sides with less MCG experience. Playing Adelaide in the 1997 GF was probably our best chance at a flag but even then we didn't have much luck with our 2 best ruckmen going down injured during the finals and Winmar's dad dying the night before the GF which put him off his game.

 

[NUFC Tiger]

Load up on the Saints and Dees next year. Once you get that belief and momentum, the crowd driving you on...seems like talent isn't as important as it used to be. Dogs showed the world teamwork, unity and heart are just as important.

 

[Seadog]

St Kilda are a pretty average outfit. Dees have a chance in the next 4 or 5 years.

 

[SSSSSS]

Both teams have talent but will somehow manage to **** it all up as is tradition.