List Mgmt. 2017 Draft Needs...

[latinoheat]

If we still hold 2 x first round picks. Taken from knightmare post on draft board

12. Lochie O'Brien (VIC)

Best position: Outside midfield
Height, weight: 184cm, 75kg
Recruited from: Bendigo Pioneers
Projected draft range: First round
Similar to: Mitch Duncan
September Ranking: Not ranked
Rationale: Arguably the best kick in the draft and one of the best outside runners. Reclaims top 20 position on the back of strong performance in Under-18 All Star game. Performances this season have been below expectation due to niggling injuries which has seen his draft stocks drop over past 12 months, but deserves benefit of the doubt based on the damage he did at his best in 2016.
Strengths:
Arguably the best kick in the draft with his precision, variety of kicks he can execute, hurt factor and dual sided kicking
Lowers eyes
Vision
Decision
Making
Line breaker
Acceleration
Evasiveness
Agility
Overhead marking
Production
Versatility to play midfield or on flanks at either end
Weaknesses:
Stoppage work
Contested ball winning
Consistency

13. James Worpel (VIC)

Best position: Inside midfield
Height, weight: 185cm, 84kg
Recruited from: Geelong Falcons
Projected draft range: First to second round
Similar to: Josh P. Kennedy
September Ranking: 16
Rationale: Dominant stoppage specialist possessing size and a ready to go game. Rises as expectations of key position players drop.
Strengths:
Stoppage specialist
Powerful tackler
First possession winner
Contested ball winning
Clearance winner
Strong build
Strength through the hips allows Worpel to stand up when tackled and deliver a clean handball to a target without going to ground
Powerful fend offs
Courageous
Can hit the ball at speed and win it at full pace
Consistent performer
Acceleration
Agility
Leadership
Able to play forward and hit the scoreboard
Weaknesses:
Unreliable kick

 

[Danger in Texas]

I signed up after one game I saw at the U18 Champs, not frightened to get his hands dirty either, really attacks the contest hard just needs to lift his productiona tad.

Was really impressive during the GF day game too, seems to have quite a well rounded game actually

If we do a deal that sees us get Francis and 25 for 16, I’d be targeting Starcevich or Zac Bailey. Worpel too, but he’s probably less of a need, even though he can contribute immediately

 

[hey shorty]

I signed up after one game I saw at the U18 Champs, not frightened to get his hands dirty either, really attacks the contest hard just needs to lift his productiona tad.

Wouldn't mind his production if the end product was more consistent

 

[Grenville]

If Fogarty is available at pick 10 and we don't choose him we are insane.

Living overseas I havent seen anything of him outside of some youtube highlights that didnt impress me - disposal/decision making seemed questionable. You have any links to footage where he looks impressive?

 

[Mike Smyth]

Living overseas I havent seen anything of him outside of some youtube highlights that didnt impress me - disposal/decision making seemed questionable. You have any links to footage where he looks impressive?

This is all I need.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...s/news-story/9a05ab2a2c8f74e49b3bb85d644c6d67

 

[Danger in Texas]

Don't just peg Worpel as an inside mid he's got an outside game too, good acceleration from a contest and reasonable speed, can take a grab and hit the scoreboard. He actually has a booming if sometimes inconsistent kick......he wins a lot of his ball inside where a hack kick forward is sometimes the only option if there's no handball option presenting, DE% is relevant to the position the player plays. Worpel> Starcevich and Bailey ans WILL play plenty of AFL football in 2018 if given the opportunity.

Oh I realise all of that. He screams a very similar player to Brad Crouch, that is my only query. Would be happy if we took him at that pick, though

FTR, I rate Bailey higher than most, his game is extremely well rounded

 

[LC40]

Beyond that though, SA has been horrible at developing talent.

I do think we're getting to the point we can start to trust it again, however, you certainly can't blame the club for not focusing on it seeing it's track record.

We drafted an Adelaide player in Wigg, he kept performing in the SANFL but was never afforded a game in 3 years at the AFL level.
I don't know whether he is good enough but we never took the time to find out.
It's a two way street, if you draft the talent and they do show improvement there is some onus on the team to try him at some stage.
Don't put the entire blame on the SA system, you actually have to play that talent at some stage.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

In the last two years you don't rate Burton Hayward parfitt and graham 3 of which are rising star nominees and the other hurt us badly in the GF


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Parfitt never played for SA Marty

He's an NT kid

 

[Jeffcrowe]

If Fogarty is available at pick 10 and we don't choose him we are insane.

? Aren't we just better off at picking the best player at 10

If he ends up being that then so be it

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Thoughts on Jack Higgins? Very nice little player, would slot into Cameron's role straight up IMO- mainly forward but runs through midfield too. I'd love him if we don't snag Motlop.

very good player and plays immediately

Would feel more comfortable taking him if we had 2 1st round picks

 

[Captain Furious]

? Aren't we just better off at picking the best player at 10

If he ends up being that then so be it

I really don't think so anymore. This draft is loaded with Vic Metro kids at the top and I feel we should put a line through them.

I'd definitely take Fogarty at 10. Hopefully we've learnt our lesson after Burton.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

I really don't think so anymore. This draft is loaded with Vic Metro kids at the top and I feel we should put a line through them.

I'd definitely take Fogarty at 10. Hopefully we've learnt our lesson after Burton.

I'd rather get the best players and if one wants to go home every 3-4 years and we get 2 1st round picks so be it

 

[jackster83]

Parfitt never played for SA Marty

He's an NT kid

He played for North Adelaide in his draft year.

 

[Captain Furious]

I'd rather get the best players and if one wants to go home every 3-4 years and we get 2 1st round picks so be it

I'd rather get players that actually want to play for the club. We didn't even get two 1st round picks for Dangerfield, so that's almost never going to happen (and we had to give away a 2nd for Lever too). Why bother putting players into our elite development system if Victorian clubs are going to reap the benefits?

 

[Scorpus]

Just listening to the Champion Data Draft guy that crunches the numbers on Trade Radio apparently on their ratings not one player in this draft comes close on their system to their 2016's top 3 Andrew McGrath, Hugh McCluggage and Tim Taranto. Their No.1 on their rating system in 2017 is Jack Higgins but it must be remembered he's been a full time footballer for over 12 months after opting out of school to concentrate on his football and specifically to get drafted so probably hasn't got the upside of some of the others.

Also had a far bigger portfolio of matches than most with 2 years of TAC and Championship games [33] able to be rated whereas a lot of the kids were tied to playing for their school's footy program and only played limited games in the TAC Comp.

Are these the same people that rate Justin Westhoff as a top 60 player in the AFL?

 

[Golumless]

We drafted an Adelaide player in Wigg, he kept performing in the SANFL but was never afforded a game in 3 years at the AFL level.
I don't know whether he is good enough but we never took the time to find out.
It's a two way street, if you draft the talent and they do show improvement there is some onus on the team to try him at some stage.
Don't put the entire blame on the SA system, you actually have to play that talent at some stage.

To make it as a sub 180cm, slowish inside midfielder, you are either have to have one of the best inside games in the league or you don't have a career. There is no middle ground, and right now Wigg sits firmly in that middle ground. Especially when the only position he can play in our side is occupied by a certain Matty Crouch.

I truly believe Wigg was drafted for Walsh and would have had a different career under him seeing we valued skills as the main thing, which is what Wigg had; Pyke however wants pace as much as skills which sees his opportunities vastly hindered by this.

 

[Niximus]

I'd rather get players that actually want to play for the club. We didn't even get two 1st round picks for Dangerfield, so that's almost never going to happen (and we had to give away a 2nd for Lever too). Why bother putting players into our elite development system if Victorian clubs are going to reap the benefits?

If we'd taken that approach and instead taken the next selected South Australian.

Nathan Bock (R25) stays as Nathan Bock (R25)
Phil Davis (10) stays as Phil Davis (10), if he's questionably South Australian, he becomes Lewis Johnston (12)
Dangerfield (10) becomes Brad Ebert (13)
Jack Gunston (29) becomes Justin Bollenhagen (52)
Jake Lever (14) becomes Sam Durdin (16)
Charlie Cameron (R7) becomes Joel Tippett (R8) or if not really South Australian, Luke Reynolds (R12)

 

[Jeffcrowe]

He played for North Adelaide in his draft year.

He did but he was developed under the NT system and never played for SA

 

[Captain Furious]

If we'd taken that approach and instead taken the next selected South Australian.

Nathan Bock (R25) stays as Nathan Bock (R25)
Phil Davis (10) stays as Phil Davis (10), if he's questionably South Australian, he becomes Lewis Johnston (12)
Dangerfield (10) becomes Brad Ebert (13)
Jack Gunston (29) becomes Justin Bollenhagen (52)
Jake Lever (14) becomes Sam Durdin (16)
Charlie Cameron (R7) becomes Joel Tippett (R8) or if not really South Australian, Luke Reynolds (R12)

Clearly, those comparisons say we draft quality players. Arguing that we would instead draft s**t players is a gross simplification and pointless treatise on the drafting process.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

If we're not going to draft best available we might as well sack all our interstate scouts and only monitor the SA kids with a view to drafting only SA kids, no doubt if we follow that plan in a few years we'll invariariably get the best SA prospect because we'll be at the bottom of the ladder every year. We'll still miss out on the other 1st round quality SA kids because they'll be quickly snapped up by interstate clubs that will have their scouts monitoring them anyhow.

To not draft best available on our recruiting teams rankings as our picks drop is just plain insanity, sure if there's 2 kids very close in talent and character and one's a Croweater maybe that could be weighted in [probably is now anyhow] but to do otherwise is just plain dumb.

What we do need to be doing is keeping in the ear of the top end SA talent drafted interstate just like the Victorian and Sangroper's do with a view to enticing them home, and that's if we're not doing that already albeit with not a lot of success recently.

To do that we might as well fund the whole junior development pathway for us and Port while we're at it

 

[LC40]

To make it as a sub 180cm, slowish inside midfielder, you are either have to have one of the best inside games in the league or you don't have a career. There is no middle ground, and right now Wigg sits firmly in that middle ground. Especially when the only position he can play in our side is occupied by a certain Matty Crouch.

I truly believe Wigg was drafted for Walsh and would have had a different career under him seeing we valued skills as the main thing, which is what Wigg had; Pyke however wants pace as much as skills which sees his opportunities vastly hindered by this.

I do tend to agree about him being a Walsh draftee and he's suffered because of that.
When Wigg was drafted it was on the back of being a running defender and link man whose 'elite leg' would find a target and Walsh valued kicking skills.
Wigg did play in the square more in the SANFL but was that for team balance this year with Lyon, Greenwood and Grigg missing?

I know this isn't a point on drafting but his non selection after so many good games in the SANFL must have played on the minds of the others in the whole squad. All football I've been associated with has rewarded good performances in the B's with a game in the A's and poor form in the A's means being dropped to the B's. You can talk about team balance but what about team harmony, Wigg is not a hack.

We drafted an SA lad in the 2nd round and it would have been nice to at least see how he went first in an AFL game to make that a definitive judgement call.
A couple of games in 3 years would have erased all doubts and demonstrated that effort is seen and rewarded in lower grades.

 

[Rear Admiral]

Youth needs to be promoted more quickly

 

[Rear Admiral]

I think Douglas (and MacKay) need to be phased out of the best 22 over 2018 dropped like a hot potato immediately, if not sooner.

 

[Alite]

You Guys had the best attack in 2017, a great defence and an effective midfield.
What did you need to win the Premiership?

 

[FantasticShirt]

You Guys had the best attack in 2017, a great defence and an effective midfield.
What did you need to win the Premiership?

Them to turn up on GF day.