List Mgmt. 2017 Trade/Draft/FA SuperMegaUltra Thread - Post Trade-Period Edition

[Galileo9]

I don't get the take Kelly at 26 because Carlton might take him at 30 argument.

Do we take worpel at 21 also if there are rumors that Geelong might take him at 22.

Who cares what other clubs are doing, at 26 we take the player we rate the most, not the player we fear might be taken by another club . If kelly is deemed avilable at 26 then so be it, but if there is a better option (i.e. Zac Bailey) then I sure do hope we take him.

Let me explain it. He is West Australian and if he goes at 30, we will hate it if he becomes a star.

On flip side, if he gets taken at 26 and Carlton draft a superstar at 30, that’s ok, at least they didn’t get one from WA.

Nothing to do with picking best player. Still perception that recruitment networks only extend to local and that somehow to know other players, you have to wait for the VHS tape passed around at end of the year.

 

[liam123]

Harry Taylor ( WA boy ), Alex Rance ( WA Boy ), Callan Ward, Easton Wood and Cale Hooker say hi Mr know it all.

For reasons like this I'm starting a hindsight heroes thread immediately after the draft. All the geniuses in our midst can tell us who they would have picked instead of who the club picked. That way in time to come people can either quote their genius picks from that thread or gtfo

 

[Tom_Thumb]

It’s easy to be a hindsight hero 10 years later with your draft picks, but you failed to take into consideration our plight at the time.

Again we just lost 3 starting mids, picking Taylor at 3 and Rance at 13 would have been madness.

Its easy to sit there and behave like you are on the Eagles management and defend the indefensible, we kept on making mistake after mistake with the recycled Melbourne Players in Morton and Bennell...but you only need look at the 2011 draft to see why we're crap now.

 

[ArdentEagle]

For reasons like this I'm starting a hindsight heroes thread immediately after the draft. All the geniuses in our midst can tell us who they would have picked instead of who the club picked. That way in time to come people can either quote their genius picks from that thread or gtfo

That's actually a bloody good idea.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Its easy to sit there and behave like you are on the Eagles management and defend the indefensible

Like your posting history?

 

[liam123]

I think the club would rate Higgins higher than Clark. Think they will cream if he falls to 13

 

[Wadsworth]

You can justify taking Notte and Masten all you like in here, this very act of poor decision making cost us 1 flag in my opinion. We were due another flag these last 5 or 6 seasons and we blew it in the administration side which should never happen. Injuries, form and strategy should cost us not friggin picking dud after dud.

What do you mean that "we were due another flag in the last 5 or 6 years"? They don't just give them out on a rotation basis. Was it because we had a list close to being premiership calibre and it fell just short?

How did we get such a list if we've had such poor decision making? Certainly we've made mistakes, as every club has. That's the nature of making judgements on uncertain future events in complex environments.

 

[FKASC]

Is it draft day yet

 

[Eastern Rangers]

If Starcevich doesnt go by pick 37 he will not be there at 69 and that will be a bad error of judgement by our recruiters.

The under 18 All-Australian has been seriously underated. He has an excellent football brain, kicking is excellent, already has core body strength and is an aggressive tackler and comepitor. I rate him higher than Hunter Clarke who I have serious misgivings about.

Starcevich has never been an All Australian at U18 level.

I get it he has some impressive attributes(strong, has pace, good mark and solid skills) but he really hasn’t got the production behind him to justify some the hype he’s getting. If he’d had a couple of dominant games at Colts level it would be interesting to see where clubs ranked him but he hasn’t had a game over 20 disposals at Colts level. He’s had his injury problems but he’s not alone in that regard.

Hunter Clarke is simply a weird comparison and I’m not sold on him anyway it’s not like for like in the slightest.


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[truman]

For reasons like this I'm starting a hindsight heroes thread immediately after the draft. All the geniuses in our midst can tell us who they would have picked instead of who the club picked. That way in time to come people can either quote their genius picks from that thread or gtfo

Don’t really get this comment! I’m sure the majority on this board aren’t paid to draft afl players! Not saying we’ve done badly necessarily but comparing the output of paid professionals in recruitment to that of footy fans will prove nothing! Surely if the recruitment team isn’t doing better then average joe on this board they are actually terrible at their job?

 

[truman]

To be fair everyone will also complain if we do as you say and end up with the next Tomb Lamb or Gerrick Weedon

No doubt but that’s just because they are no good, nothing to do with the fact they were left field calls. In fact Tom lamb was considered a bargain at the time

 

[Byron_Clanger]

All I know is we're gonna draft a bunch of blokes with not one shred of excitability about them. Befitting the team ethos, of course

 

[bzparkes]

Is it draft day yet

Yes

 

[liam123]

Don’t really get this comment! I’m sure the majority on this board aren’t paid to draft afl players! Not saying we’ve done badly necessarily but comparing the output of paid professionals in recruitment to that of footy fans will prove nothing! Surely if the recruitment team isn’t doing better then average joe on this board they are actually terrible at their job?

The point is that 10years after the fact there are many on this board who claim the club stuffed up by not drafting player X and Y. When other posters state that they were late bloomers or unfortunate misses or the club had no way of foreseeing certain circumstances these posters seem to claim that they would have done a far better job.

See Tom thumbs post from an hour ago. It's very easy to claim in hindsight. Does he have evidence of a post from 2007 that we should have picked up rance and Taylor? If he produces a post from that time his credibility increases. If not then maybe he shouldn't pretend he knows better than the club.

There was a thread made after the 2007 draft where almost everybody was stoked with our choices. Now in 2017 we can continually rubbish the club? Yes they got it wrong, but I'm not going to bang on about it like I know better. Some here claim that they previously knew better so they should put their money where their mouth is. Drafting is more or less a lottery. No club gets it right every time. If they do they deserve a lot of praise. If they don't then I don't think they deserve all the crap they get especially if nobody else is able to point out their mistakes at the time.

I personally have only followed the draft since 2013 and have been quite happy with nearly every choice the club has made. I think it's an interesting idea to make our own choices knowing what's available at each pick post draft, and then see how genius we all are in 5 years from now.

 

[squashface]

So on the main board with the Big Footy Phantom, Monocle has us taking Higgins at 13 and then Bailey at 21.

I like the cut of both of their jibs

 

[dajesmac]

I know this will trigger some on here but - Noah Balta interests me greatly. I know it's a long shot but if he was able to adapt to playing as a mid he could be the next Judd. He can also play KPF (and KPD) which is a plus.

That's a massive if, I know, but I think he will tear a few teams apart over the course of his career, whichever position he settles in.

 

[2006_Eagles]

All I know is we're gonna draft a bunch of blokes with not one shred of excitability about them. Befitting the team ethos, of course

His name will be Lukom Partingcole Jnr

 

[Biggie]

How long can past drafts with the luxury of hindsight be debated?

 

[flamingEMBERS]

But who really won the Judd trade?

 

[flamingEMBERS]

I'm an admin of the Kelly@26 facebook group and run the Starcevich4ThirtySeven instagram

 

[WCErevival]

In hindsight I shouldn't have wasted my time reading this thread today

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Its easy to sit there and behave like you are on the Eagles management and defend the indefensible, we kept on making mistake after mistake with the recycled Melbourne Players in Morton and Bennell...but you only need look at the 2011 draft to see why we're crap now.

Just out of interest, how many flags did trading pick 88 for Morton and picking Bennell in the rookie draft cost us in your opinion?

Surely at least two or three.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Its easy to sit there and behave like you are on the Eagles management and defend the indefensible, we kept on making mistake after mistake with the recycled Melbourne Players in Morton and Bennell...but you only need look at the 2011 draft to see why we're crap now.

Tom - don't let these guys give you a hard time. I think you need to spend some time on PM with Sweet Jesus. I think you and he will have some good dialogue.

 

[squashface]

If Higgins was a bit taller he’d be a Top 5 pick. We’d be crazy not to pull the trigger at 13 if he’s still there.

Not convinced he will be though.

 

[dajesmac]

Just embracing the possibility of Higgins at 13 for a moment, I wonder how many debutants we would be willing to go into round one with.

In terms of forwards particularly, you'd think all of Venables, Rioli and Higgins would all be very close to the mark for a round one debut. There's also of course Waterman who we know is close (although you'd assume not a realistic chance).

Aside from those three, we may also be taking Tim Kelly, a plug and play midfield option. Is four debutants excessive? Surely, three debutants in the same forward line at once is overkill.