List Mgmt. 2017 Trade/Draft/FA SuperMegaUltra Thread - Post Trade-Period Edition

[Quinz]

So given the LeCras pot shots on the last page, I wondered what is a "cheap goal"? I suppose that's an interesting question.

So I had a look at LeCras goalkicking stats for the year, and what I found was

Goals in losses: 12 in 8, 1.5/game
Goals in wins: 20 in 11, 1.82/game

Goals against the bottom 10: 15 in 10, 1.5/game
Goals against the top 8: 17 in 9, 1.89/game

Goals at home: 16 in 9, 1.78/game
Goals away: 16 in 10, 1.6/game

So a somewhat surprising consistency perhaps with his performances in different conditions, most noticeably he performed better against the top sides than the bottom sides on average.

And then I thought that even those goals in wins or against good teams probably came when the match was over, or no longer winnable. Junk time essentially. So I went through AFL tables to find at what stage he kicked his goals, and what the match situation was at the time he kicked them.

Quarter by quarter
1st 8 goals
2nd 10 goals
3rd 9 goals
4th 5 goals

Actually not many goals kicked late in games, it was a rarity for him this season. He did his best work in the middle quarters.

By match situation
Draw 2 goals
Behind 10 goals
Leading 20 goals

So we get to see here that he kicked most of his goals with the team in front. So maybe he was a bit of a seagull. But it really depends how far in front, and at what time, doesn't it? It's hard to say that kicking a last quarter goal when you're leading by 3 points is downhill skiing. So I ordered the goals by our current margin at the time, with the quarter listed first. Negatives indicate a time when we are behind.

3rd 44
2nd 43
3rd 41
4th 36
2nd 28
3rd 23
3rd 22
3rd 21
3rd 18
3rd 12
2nd 9
4th 8
3rd 6
1st 6
2nd 5
1st 5
2nd 4
2nd 4
2nd 4
2nd 3
1st 0
1st 0
4th -6
1st -6
3rd -7
2nd -9
1st -10
1st -16
1st -16
4th -17
2nd -19
4th -73

What struck me most about this is how often he kicked goals when the scores were close. Fully half (16) of his 32 goals came with the margin at less than 10 points. That's pretty remarkable.

So even at the harshest possible mark you'd have to say more than half of his goals were kicked with the game "there to be won". Even his last quarter goals, only one came with us winning by more than 10 points. If you say the game is "there to be won" with the margin under four goals, over 80% of his goals were kicked in that situation.

While it might seem that way when watching, I don't see in here the indication that he was quite the downhill skier whipping boy his reputation would suggest. He didn't kick a large percentage of his goals only at home, or against poor teams, or in wins, or late in games, or with a big margin.

As for running to the back of packs and kicking goals from the square... I haven't looked at the footage to be honest.

 

[CM9000]

So given the LeCras pot shots on the last page, I wondered what is a "cheap goal"? I suppose that's an interesting question.

So I had a look at LeCras goalkicking stats for the year, and what I found was

Goals in losses: 12 in 8, 1.5/game
Goals in wins: 20 in 11, 1.82/game

Goals against the bottom 10: 15 in 10, 1.5/game
Goals against the top 8: 17 in 9, 1.89/game

Goals at home: 16 in 9, 1.78/game
Goals away: 16 in 10, 1.6/game

So a somewhat surprising consistency perhaps with his performances in different conditions, most noticeably he performed better against the top sides than the bottom sides on average.

And then I thought that even those goals in wins or against good teams probably came when the match was over, or no longer winnable. Junk time essentially. So I went through AFL tables to find at what stage he kicked his goals, and what the match situation was at the time he kicked them.

Quarter by quarter
1st 8 goals
2nd 10 goals
3rd 9 goals
4th 5 goals

Actually not many goals kicked late in games, it was a rarity for him this season. He did his best work in the middle quarters.

By match situation
Draw 2 goals
Behind 10 goals
Leading 20 goals

So we get to see here that he kicked most of his goals with the team in front. So maybe he was a bit of a seagull. But it really depends how far in front, and at what time, doesn't it? It's hard to say that kicking a last quarter goal when you're leading by 3 points is downhill skiing. So I ordered the goals by our current margin at the time, with the quarter listed first. Negatives indicate a time when we are behind.

3rd 44
2nd 43
3rd 41
4th 36
2nd 28
3rd 23
3rd 22
3rd 21
3rd 18
3rd 12
2nd 9
4th 8
3rd 6
1st 6
2nd 5
1st 5
2nd 4
2nd 4
2nd 4
2nd 3
1st 0
1st 0
4th -6
1st -6
3rd -7
2nd -9
1st -10
1st -16
1st -16
4th -17
2nd -19
4th -73

What struck me most about this is how often he kicked goals when the scores were close. Fully half (16) of his 32 goals came with the margin at less than 10 points. That's pretty remarkable.

So even at the harshest possible mark you'd have to say more than half of his goals were kicked with the game "there to be won". Even his last quarter goals, only one came with us winning by more than 10 points. If you say the game is "there to be won" with the margin under four goals, over 80% of his goals were kicked in that situation.

While it might seem that way when watching, I don't see in here the indication that he was quite the downhill skier whipping boy his reputation would suggest. He didn't kick a large percentage of his goals only at home, or against poor teams, or in wins, or late in games, or with a big margin.

As for running to the back of packs and kicking goals from the square... I haven't looked at the footage to be honest.

10/10 Quinz, fantastic stuff.

I'll probably be referencing this post quite a lot throughout 2018.

 

[Max zero]

So given the LeCras pot shots on the last page, I wondered what is a "cheap goal"? I suppose that's an interesting question.

So I had a look at LeCras goalkicking stats for the year, and what I found was

Goals in losses: 12 in 8, 1.5/game
Goals in wins: 20 in 11, 1.82/game

Goals against the bottom 10: 15 in 10, 1.5/game
Goals against the top 8: 17 in 9, 1.89/game

Goals at home: 16 in 9, 1.78/game
Goals away: 16 in 10, 1.6/game

So a somewhat surprising consistency perhaps with his performances in different conditions, most noticeably he performed better against the top sides than the bottom sides on average.

And then I thought that even those goals in wins or against good teams probably came when the match was over, or no longer winnable. Junk time essentially. So I went through AFL tables to find at what stage he kicked his goals, and what the match situation was at the time he kicked them.

Quarter by quarter
1st 8 goals
2nd 10 goals
3rd 9 goals
4th 5 goals

Actually not many goals kicked late in games, it was a rarity for him this season. He did his best work in the middle quarters.

By match situation
Draw 2 goals
Behind 10 goals
Leading 20 goals

So we get to see here that he kicked most of his goals with the team in front. So maybe he was a bit of a seagull. But it really depends how far in front, and at what time, doesn't it? It's hard to say that kicking a last quarter goal when you're leading by 3 points is downhill skiing. So I ordered the goals by our current margin at the time, with the quarter listed first. Negatives indicate a time when we are behind.

3rd 44
2nd 43
3rd 41
4th 36
2nd 28
3rd 23
3rd 22
3rd 21
3rd 18
3rd 12
2nd 9
4th 8
3rd 6
1st 6
2nd 5
1st 5
2nd 4
2nd 4
2nd 4
2nd 3
1st 0
1st 0
4th -6
1st -6
3rd -7
2nd -9
1st -10
1st -16
1st -16
4th -17
2nd -19
4th -73

What struck me most about this is how often he kicked goals when the scores were close. Fully half (16) of his 32 goals came with the margin at less than 10 points. That's pretty remarkable.

So even at the harshest possible mark you'd have to say more than half of his goals were kicked with the game "there to be won". Even his last quarter goals, only one came with us winning by more than 10 points. If you say the game is "there to be won" with the margin under four goals, over 80% of his goals were kicked in that situation.

While it might seem that way when watching, I don't see in here the indication that he was quite the downhill skier whipping boy his reputation would suggest. He didn't kick a large percentage of his goals only at home, or against poor teams, or in wins, or late in games, or with a big margin.

As for running to the back of packs and kicking goals from the square... I haven't looked at the footage to be honest.

I want to argue but I can't.

Well done.

 

[The Stid]

My theory is, we’ll play the most experienced 22 we can in Round 1 to give us the best chance at winning the first game at the new stadium. So I’d be surprised if we see both Rioli and Ryan. Maybe one or the other, or neither, I’m working off neither debuting. If Venebals can stay fit they’ll probably bring him in. I think they’ll be desperate to bring in our first rounder from last year, seeing as though we didn’t see any of the the 2016 draftee’s and the club knows it’s fans were unhappy with the lack of fresh blood being pumped into the team.

B: Hurn Mackenzie Barrass
HB: Yeo McGovern Sheppard
C: Gaff Redden Jetta
HF: Ah Chee Darling Cripps
F: LeCras Kennedy Lycett/Vardy
R: Naitanui Sheed Shuey

INT: Duggan Hutchings Nelson Venables

EMG: Schofield Masten* Rioli/Ryan

* Wouldn’t be surprised to see Masten in the 22 in round 1 either.

It’s not a bad 22, but I do hope we see atleast one of Rioli or Ryan.

Venables, Rioli and Ryan are definitely the closest to a debut with Watson and Waterman probably not too far behind if they stay fit and put up good games at EP. Also, does anyone find it strange that Branders agent told him that he should be getting games in his first season? It’s a bit concerning given the club hasn’t been great at blooding youngsters, if he doesn’t get game time/ much game time in his first two seasons, could we see him leave once his contract is up?

 

[mattyc75]

My theory is, we’ll play the most experienced 22 we can in Round 1 to give us the best chance at winning the first game at the new stadium. So I’d be surprised if we see both Rioli and Ryan. Maybe one or the other, or neither, I’m working off neither debuting. If Venebals can stay fit they’ll probably bring him in. I think they’ll be desperate to bring in our first rounder from last year, seeing as though we didn’t see any of the the 2016 draftee’s and the club knows it’s fans were unhappy with the lack of fresh blood being pumped into the team.

B: Hurn Mackenzie Barrass
HB: Yeo McGovern Sheppard
C: Gaff Redden Jetta
HF: Ah Chee Darling Cripps
F: LeCras Kennedy Lycett/Vardy
R: Naitanui Sheed Shuey

INT: Duggan Hutchings Nelson Venables

EMG: Schofield Masten* Rioli/Ryan

* Wouldn’t be surprised to see Masten in the 22 in round 1 either.

It’s not a bad 22, but I do hope we see atleast one of Rioli or Ryan.

Venables, Rioli and Ryan are definitely the closest to a debut with Watson and Waterman probably not too far behind if they stay fit and put up good games at EP. Also, does anyone find it strange that Branders agent told him that he should be getting games in his first season? It’s a bit concerning given the club hasn’t been great at blooding youngsters, if he doesn’t get game time/ much game time in his first two seasons, could we see him leave once his contract is up?

Barring injury you wouldnt think brander would be anywhere near getting a game.
He didnt even play that well this year and we probably reached for him slightly.

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[Milenko]

Lecca Averages 2 goals a game against everyone except Swans, Cats, Port, hawks and North.
Three of those sides have been powerhouse sides through his career. He only averages 0.36 goals v Swans, 1.35 v Hawks and 1.27 against the catters.

I'm genuinely shocked he averages 2 goals a game against Collingwood. He never seems to do anything in those Pies games. U sure those stats are right bro?

 

[swannies]

My theory is, we’ll play the most experienced 22 we can in Round 1 to give us the best chance at winning the first game at the new stadium. So I’d be surprised if we see both Rioli and Ryan. Maybe one or the other, or neither, I’m working off neither debuting. If Venebals can stay fit they’ll probably bring him in. I think they’ll be desperate to bring in our first rounder from last year, seeing as though we didn’t see any of the the 2016 draftee’s and the club knows it’s fans were unhappy with the lack of fresh blood being pumped into the team.

Can't recall when they have responded to the fans being unhappy, with match selections, tbh. Don't think it will enter their thinking.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Bit harsh on Rioli there. He was out injured a fair bit with Hamstring problems!

He stacked on the weight when he had his time off! It will be the little things he needs to do to get his body AFL ready.

 

[mentalgrind]

I don't think Bond is in the recruitment team at all. I've always had the feeling that he's a former player (early 90's era) that still gets down the club from time to time.

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[fullbull]

So given the LeCras pot shots on the last page, I wondered what is a "cheap goal"? I suppose that's an interesting question.

So I had a look at LeCras goalkicking stats for the year, and what I found was

Goals in losses: 12 in 8, 1.5/game
Goals in wins: 20 in 11, 1.82/game

Goals against the bottom 10: 15 in 10, 1.5/game
Goals against the top 8: 17 in 9, 1.89/game

Goals at home: 16 in 9, 1.78/game
Goals away: 16 in 10, 1.6/game

So a somewhat surprising consistency perhaps with his performances in different conditions, most noticeably he performed better against the top sides than the bottom sides on average.

And then I thought that even those goals in wins or against good teams probably came when the match was over, or no longer winnable. Junk time essentially. So I went through AFL tables to find at what stage he kicked his goals, and what the match situation was at the time he kicked them.

Quarter by quarter
1st 8 goals
2nd 10 goals
3rd 9 goals
4th 5 goals

Actually not many goals kicked late in games, it was a rarity for him this season. He did his best work in the middle quarters.

By match situation
Draw 2 goals
Behind 10 goals
Leading 20 goals

So we get to see here that he kicked most of his goals with the team in front. So maybe he was a bit of a seagull. But it really depends how far in front, and at what time, doesn't it? It's hard to say that kicking a last quarter goal when you're leading by 3 points is downhill skiing. So I ordered the goals by our current margin at the time, with the quarter listed first. Negatives indicate a time when we are behind.

3rd 44
2nd 43
3rd 41
4th 36
2nd 28
3rd 23
3rd 22
3rd 21
3rd 18
3rd 12
2nd 9
4th 8
3rd 6
1st 6
2nd 5
1st 5
2nd 4
2nd 4
2nd 4
2nd 3
1st 0
1st 0
4th -6
1st -6
3rd -7
2nd -9
1st -10
1st -16
1st -16
4th -17
2nd -19
4th -73

What struck me most about this is how often he kicked goals when the scores were close. Fully half (16) of his 32 goals came with the margin at less than 10 points. That's pretty remarkable.

So even at the harshest possible mark you'd have to say more than half of his goals were kicked with the game "there to be won". Even his last quarter goals, only one came with us winning by more than 10 points. If you say the game is "there to be won" with the margin under four goals, over 80% of his goals were kicked in that situation.

While it might seem that way when watching, I don't see in here the indication that he was quite the downhill skier whipping boy his reputation would suggest. He didn't kick a large percentage of his goals only at home, or against poor teams, or in wins, or late in games, or with a big margin.

As for running to the back of packs and kicking goals from the square... I haven't looked at the footage to be honest.

Very thorough! Appreciate the effort. I would still be interested to see how many of his goals came over the back of a pack. I have a feeling that'd be a telling statistic.

 

[Winky]

So given the LeCras pot shots on the last page, I wondered what is a "cheap goal"? I suppose that's an interesting question.

So I had a look at LeCras goalkicking stats for the year, and what I found was

Goals in losses: 12 in 8, 1.5/game
Goals in wins: 20 in 11, 1.82/game

Goals against the bottom 10: 15 in 10, 1.5/game
Goals against the top 8: 17 in 9, 1.89/game

Goals at home: 16 in 9, 1.78/game
Goals away: 16 in 10, 1.6/game

So a somewhat surprising consistency perhaps with his performances in different conditions, most noticeably he performed better against the top sides than the bottom sides on average.

And then I thought that even those goals in wins or against good teams probably came when the match was over, or no longer winnable. Junk time essentially. So I went through AFL tables to find at what stage he kicked his goals, and what the match situation was at the time he kicked them.

Quarter by quarter
1st 8 goals
2nd 10 goals
3rd 9 goals
4th 5 goals

Actually not many goals kicked late in games, it was a rarity for him this season. He did his best work in the middle quarters.

By match situation
Draw 2 goals
Behind 10 goals
Leading 20 goals

So we get to see here that he kicked most of his goals with the team in front. So maybe he was a bit of a seagull. But it really depends how far in front, and at what time, doesn't it? It's hard to say that kicking a last quarter goal when you're leading by 3 points is downhill skiing. So I ordered the goals by our current margin at the time, with the quarter listed first. Negatives indicate a time when we are behind.

3rd 44
2nd 43
3rd 41
4th 36
2nd 28
3rd 23
3rd 22
3rd 21
3rd 18
3rd 12
2nd 9
4th 8
3rd 6
1st 6
2nd 5
1st 5
2nd 4
2nd 4
2nd 4
2nd 3
1st 0
1st 0
4th -6
1st -6
3rd -7
2nd -9
1st -10
1st -16
1st -16
4th -17
2nd -19
4th -73

What struck me most about this is how often he kicked goals when the scores were close. Fully half (16) of his 32 goals came with the margin at less than 10 points. That's pretty remarkable.

So even at the harshest possible mark you'd have to say more than half of his goals were kicked with the game "there to be won". Even his last quarter goals, only one came with us winning by more than 10 points. If you say the game is "there to be won" with the margin under four goals, over 80% of his goals were kicked in that situation.

While it might seem that way when watching, I don't see in here the indication that he was quite the downhill skier whipping boy his reputation would suggest. He didn't kick a large percentage of his goals only at home, or against poor teams, or in wins, or late in games, or with a big margin.

As for running to the back of packs and kicking goals from the square... I haven't looked at the footage to be honest.

Well done. Amazing how people pull inaccurate statements out of the air and it's great to see them proven wrong. Once again, we have had the worst midfield around for a while now and when it does go forward, Kennedy or Darling are rightfully the targets. LeCras has also had to assist in the midfield because it has been so crap mostly so he hasn't been permanently forward and yet has kicked a decent amount of goals and certainly more than most small forwards in the game. Clearly he is near the end of his career but we have already bought 10 new players in and it makes sense to keep experienced older players like him, Kennedy, Hurn, McKenzie and Schofield in the side. Jetta and Masten are different stories but they are contracted and are both capable of improvement. So we have 6 players 28 and over at the end of the season and you could see at least 4 of those retiring at the end of this year which makes a smooth transition instead of the panicky "delist them all except Kennedy" rubbish espoused by some on here.

 

[Avalor]

So given the LeCras pot shots on the last page, I wondered what is a "cheap goal"? I suppose that's an interesting question.

So I had a look at LeCras goalkicking stats for the year, and what I found was

Goals in losses: 12 in 8, 1.5/game
Goals in wins: 20 in 11, 1.82/game

Goals against the bottom 10: 15 in 10, 1.5/game
Goals against the top 8: 17 in 9, 1.89/game

Goals at home: 16 in 9, 1.78/game
Goals away: 16 in 10, 1.6/game

So a somewhat surprising consistency perhaps with his performances in different conditions, most noticeably he performed better against the top sides than the bottom sides on average.

And then I thought that even those goals in wins or against good teams probably came when the match was over, or no longer winnable. Junk time essentially. So I went through AFL tables to find at what stage he kicked his goals, and what the match situation was at the time he kicked them.

Quarter by quarter
1st 8 goals
2nd 10 goals
3rd 9 goals
4th 5 goals

Actually not many goals kicked late in games, it was a rarity for him this season. He did his best work in the middle quarters.

By match situation
Draw 2 goals
Behind 10 goals
Leading 20 goals

So we get to see here that he kicked most of his goals with the team in front. So maybe he was a bit of a seagull. But it really depends how far in front, and at what time, doesn't it? It's hard to say that kicking a last quarter goal when you're leading by 3 points is downhill skiing. So I ordered the goals by our current margin at the time, with the quarter listed first. Negatives indicate a time when we are behind.

3rd 44
2nd 43
3rd 41
4th 36
2nd 28
3rd 23
3rd 22
3rd 21
3rd 18
3rd 12
2nd 9
4th 8
3rd 6
1st 6
2nd 5
1st 5
2nd 4
2nd 4
2nd 4
2nd 3
1st 0
1st 0
4th -6
1st -6
3rd -7
2nd -9
1st -10
1st -16
1st -16
4th -17
2nd -19
4th -73

What struck me most about this is how often he kicked goals when the scores were close. Fully half (16) of his 32 goals came with the margin at less than 10 points. That's pretty remarkable.

So even at the harshest possible mark you'd have to say more than half of his goals were kicked with the game "there to be won". Even his last quarter goals, only one came with us winning by more than 10 points. If you say the game is "there to be won" with the margin under four goals, over 80% of his goals were kicked in that situation.

While it might seem that way when watching, I don't see in here the indication that he was quite the downhill skier whipping boy his reputation would suggest. He didn't kick a large percentage of his goals only at home, or against poor teams, or in wins, or late in games, or with a big margin.

As for running to the back of packs and kicking goals from the square... I haven't looked at the footage to be honest.

Wah! What an effort! Someone has got way too much time on their hands.

 

[garlic munchers]

His hip must play up after plane trips as well. Rarely plays well away.

Such a bad hip that he is still able to clamber onto a boat and to cast a line whilst it rocks away.

LeCras has been looking to life after footy for nearly 2 years now and whilst there is nothing wrong with that if you are performing to your absolute potential, he hasn't been.

 

[flamingEMBERS]

So given the LeCras pot shots on the last page, I wondered what is a "cheap goal"? I suppose that's an interesting question.

So I had a look at LeCras goalkicking stats for the year, and what I found was

Goals in losses: 12 in 8, 1.5/game
Goals in wins: 20 in 11, 1.82/game

Goals against the bottom 10: 15 in 10, 1.5/game
Goals against the top 8: 17 in 9, 1.89/game

Goals at home: 16 in 9, 1.78/game
Goals away: 16 in 10, 1.6/game

So a somewhat surprising consistency perhaps with his performances in different conditions, most noticeably he performed better against the top sides than the bottom sides on average.

And then I thought that even those goals in wins or against good teams probably came when the match was over, or no longer winnable. Junk time essentially. So I went through AFL tables to find at what stage he kicked his goals, and what the match situation was at the time he kicked them.

Quarter by quarter
1st 8 goals
2nd 10 goals
3rd 9 goals
4th 5 goals

Actually not many goals kicked late in games, it was a rarity for him this season. He did his best work in the middle quarters.

By match situation
Draw 2 goals
Behind 10 goals
Leading 20 goals

So we get to see here that he kicked most of his goals with the team in front. So maybe he was a bit of a seagull. But it really depends how far in front, and at what time, doesn't it? It's hard to say that kicking a last quarter goal when you're leading by 3 points is downhill skiing. So I ordered the goals by our current margin at the time, with the quarter listed first. Negatives indicate a time when we are behind.

3rd 44
2nd 43
3rd 41
4th 36
2nd 28
3rd 23
3rd 22
3rd 21
3rd 18
3rd 12
2nd 9
4th 8
3rd 6
1st 6
2nd 5
1st 5
2nd 4
2nd 4
2nd 4
2nd 3
1st 0
1st 0
4th -6
1st -6
3rd -7
2nd -9
1st -10
1st -16
1st -16
4th -17
2nd -19
4th -73

What struck me most about this is how often he kicked goals when the scores were close. Fully half (16) of his 32 goals came with the margin at less than 10 points. That's pretty remarkable.

So even at the harshest possible mark you'd have to say more than half of his goals were kicked with the game "there to be won". Even his last quarter goals, only one came with us winning by more than 10 points. If you say the game is "there to be won" with the margin under four goals, over 80% of his goals were kicked in that situation.

While it might seem that way when watching, I don't see in here the indication that he was quite the downhill skier whipping boy his reputation would suggest. He didn't kick a large percentage of his goals only at home, or against poor teams, or in wins, or late in games, or with a big margin.

As for running to the back of packs and kicking goals from the square... I haven't looked at the footage to be honest.

To me it's more than goals. It's the selfishness of how he plays. It's pretty much the same as how Stevie J went about his last two years. Selfish selfish football. Sure he might still do some good things and kick a miracle goal but he has no effort running two ways, he burns players to add to his goal tally and he doesn't do the team things.

 

[squashface]

As for running to the back of packs and kicking goals from the square... I haven't looked at the footage to be honest.

Well that’s what I define as a cheap goal no matter what stage of the game it is

 

[Doashuey]

So given the LeCras pot shots on the last page, I wondered what is a "cheap goal"? I suppose that's an interesting question.

So I had a look at LeCras goalkicking stats for the year, and what I found was

Goals in losses: 12 in 8, 1.5/game
Goals in wins: 20 in 11, 1.82/game

Goals against the bottom 10: 15 in 10, 1.5/game
Goals against the top 8: 17 in 9, 1.89/game

Goals at home: 16 in 9, 1.78/game
Goals away: 16 in 10, 1.6/game

So a somewhat surprising consistency perhaps with his performances in different conditions, most noticeably he performed better against the top sides than the bottom sides on average.

And then I thought that even those goals in wins or against good teams probably came when the match was over, or no longer winnable. Junk time essentially. So I went through AFL tables to find at what stage he kicked his goals, and what the match situation was at the time he kicked them.

Quarter by quarter
1st 8 goals
2nd 10 goals
3rd 9 goals
4th 5 goals

Actually not many goals kicked late in games, it was a rarity for him this season. He did his best work in the middle quarters.

By match situation
Draw 2 goals
Behind 10 goals
Leading 20 goals

So we get to see here that he kicked most of his goals with the team in front. So maybe he was a bit of a seagull. But it really depends how far in front, and at what time, doesn't it? It's hard to say that kicking a last quarter goal when you're leading by 3 points is downhill skiing. So I ordered the goals by our current margin at the time, with the quarter listed first. Negatives indicate a time when we are behind.

3rd 44
2nd 43
3rd 41
4th 36
2nd 28
3rd 23
3rd 22
3rd 21
3rd 18
3rd 12
2nd 9
4th 8
3rd 6
1st 6
2nd 5
1st 5
2nd 4
2nd 4
2nd 4
2nd 3
1st 0
1st 0
4th -6
1st -6
3rd -7
2nd -9
1st -10
1st -16
1st -16
4th -17
2nd -19
4th -73

What struck me most about this is how often he kicked goals when the scores were close. Fully half (16) of his 32 goals came with the margin at less than 10 points. That's pretty remarkable.

So even at the harshest possible mark you'd have to say more than half of his goals were kicked with the game "there to be won". Even his last quarter goals, only one came with us winning by more than 10 points. If you say the game is "there to be won" with the margin under four goals, over 80% of his goals were kicked in that situation.

While it might seem that way when watching, I don't see in here the indication that he was quite the downhill skier whipping boy his reputation would suggest. He didn't kick a large percentage of his goals only at home, or against poor teams, or in wins, or late in games, or with a big margin.

As for running to the back of packs and kicking goals from the square... I haven't looked at the footage to be honest.

Some really interesting info there. A factor from last year that may also skew his data wrt 4th quarter goals and goals while in front is the fact that for so many games last year we lead most of the way only to fall apart in the last quarter. So with most of the game being played in the opposition half during 4th quarters this year its not surprising to see his 4th quarter goals dipped significantly. If I could be arsed researching, I'd be willing to bet our other forwards would show similar patterns. Furthermore, the % of goals kicked whilst leading would also be skewed as we spent a considerable % of time in the lead last year- I seem to recall a stat part way through the year where WCE had spent the highest % of game time in the lead for the league. Again, I would imagine other forwards would display similar trends wrt goals kicked while in the lead.

Maybe another project Quinz??

 

[Doashuey]

Well that’s what I define as a cheap goal no matter what stage of the game it is

Id define it as good small forward play. Reading the flight and crumbing the packs- its what makes a great small forward.

Handballs over the top to the square where the guy with the ball should just slot it- that is a cheap goal.

 

[Seadog]

Such a bad hip that he is still able to clamber onto a boat and to cast a line whilst it rocks away.

LeCras has been looking to life after footy for nearly 2 years now and whilst there is nothing wrong with that if you are performing to your absolute potential, he hasn't been.

As someone who has spent 40 yrs of their working life rocking around on a boat I can categorically say it has in no way shape or form any similarity to playing a game of footy.

 

[RookiePick]

I think people forget that Lecca is one of the best ever small/med forwards we have had at the club.

If his body is right he will be a very dangerous contributor. Hopefully we have more depth available now so if he does get an injury he can get himself 100% right and not get rushed back into the side. If we had more midfield depth and Priddis was able to have another month or 6 weeks to get over his back operation I reckon he would have had a lot more impact last year, for example. The older guys don't bounce back like they did when they were in their early-mid 20's.

 

[WCE_phil]

So given the LeCras pot shots on the last page, I wondered what is a "cheap goal"? I suppose that's an interesting question.

So I had a look at LeCras goalkicking stats for the year, and what I found was

Goals in losses: 12 in 8, 1.5/game
Goals in wins: 20 in 11, 1.82/game

Goals against the bottom 10: 15 in 10, 1.5/game
Goals against the top 8: 17 in 9, 1.89/game

Goals at home: 16 in 9, 1.78/game
Goals away: 16 in 10, 1.6/game

So a somewhat surprising consistency perhaps with his performances in different conditions, most noticeably he performed better against the top sides than the bottom sides on average.

And then I thought that even those goals in wins or against good teams probably came when the match was over, or no longer winnable. Junk time essentially. So I went through AFL tables to find at what stage he kicked his goals, and what the match situation was at the time he kicked them.

Quarter by quarter
1st 8 goals
2nd 10 goals
3rd 9 goals
4th 5 goals

Actually not many goals kicked late in games, it was a rarity for him this season. He did his best work in the middle quarters.

By match situation
Draw 2 goals
Behind 10 goals
Leading 20 goals

So we get to see here that he kicked most of his goals with the team in front. So maybe he was a bit of a seagull. But it really depends how far in front, and at what time, doesn't it? It's hard to say that kicking a last quarter goal when you're leading by 3 points is downhill skiing. So I ordered the goals by our current margin at the time, with the quarter listed first. Negatives indicate a time when we are behind.

3rd 44
2nd 43
3rd 41
4th 36
2nd 28
3rd 23
3rd 22
3rd 21
3rd 18
3rd 12
2nd 9
4th 8
3rd 6
1st 6
2nd 5
1st 5
2nd 4
2nd 4
2nd 4
2nd 3
1st 0
1st 0
4th -6
1st -6
3rd -7
2nd -9
1st -10
1st -16
1st -16
4th -17
2nd -19
4th -73

What struck me most about this is how often he kicked goals when the scores were close. Fully half (16) of his 32 goals came with the margin at less than 10 points. That's pretty remarkable.

So even at the harshest possible mark you'd have to say more than half of his goals were kicked with the game "there to be won". Even his last quarter goals, only one came with us winning by more than 10 points. If you say the game is "there to be won" with the margin under four goals, over 80% of his goals were kicked in that situation.

While it might seem that way when watching, I don't see in here the indication that he was quite the downhill skier whipping boy his reputation would suggest. He didn't kick a large percentage of his goals only at home, or against poor teams, or in wins, or late in games, or with a big margin.

As for running to the back of packs and kicking goals from the square... I haven't looked at the footage to be honest.

Have to be a late run for post of the year.

 

[matt_bas]

All this Vardy v Lycett talk! Why not play Vardy CHF, Lycett as a resting tall and finally move Darling to the midfield!!

 

[eaglesnutcase]

All this Vardy v Lycett talk! Why not play Vardy CHF, Lycett as a resting tall and finally move Darling to the midfield!!

Really?? Must you be so sensible?? Back to Lecca,my biggest bugbear with him is his lack of chase.He really is a lazy player.

 

[Eagle Wrath]

At his best, Le Cras is one of the smartest forwards in the game. He does a lot off the ball for Kennedy as well.

A lot of those easy leads Kennedy gets, are because of Le Cras getting in the full backs way. He needs to improve his away games but i still back him to start off well next year.

And there is nothing wrong with goals over the back of the contest, thats his job.

 

[liam123]

Barring injury you wouldnt think brander would be anywhere near getting a game.
He didnt even play that well this year and we probably reached for him slightly.

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Brander didn't play that well this year because he played for 7 different teams and a couple different positions in 2017. He said it messed him up and he's now happy to have some consistency which will see him improve again

 

[Gugs9]

I think we look best as follows:

HF: Venables Vardy Darling
FF: Ryan Kennedy Cripps​

The other alternative is:

HF: Venables Darling Cripps
FF: Ryan Kennedy Lycett​

Rioli will need to earn his spot and if he burns it in the WAFL, then Cripps is in danger
Ryan replaces LeCras based with the Frenchman having to prove he can both deliver as a forward and apply defensive pressure at EP prior to being included. Ryan having kicked 70 in the WAFL has "runs on the board so you gotta back him in".
Venables has to be prioritised in the team - he has the skills and pace we so desperately need that he needs fast tracking into the team.

That forward line is good, can see lecras and rioli potentially both playing as well, with venables rotating through the middle and cripps rotating on a wing. If lecca is back to being fully fit again over the pre season no reason why all 8 can’t make our round 1 team

Something like

Cripps Lycett/Vardy Darling
Ryan Kennedy Rioli

With lecca and venables off the bench looks like a very exciting fwd line next year