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Mike Procter, Clive Rice, Eddie Barlow and Lee Irvine. Barry Richards and Graeme Pollock seem to be the guys to get the lions share of plaudits for being great South African cricketers during boycott.
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Vincent Van De BijlMike Procter, Clive Rice, Eddie Barlow and Lee Irvine. Barry Richards and Graeme Pollock seem to be the guys to get the lions share of plaudits for being great South African cricketers during boycott.
I think Ryan Harris gets a lot more plaudits than Stuart Clark, who was basically just as good, so Sarfraz gets my nod.
Their records are remarkably similar.Gosh no.
Clark was good, but Harris was arguably best bowler in the world material.
AB played against the West Indies at all their might for his entire career, there's no padding in his average. Even when we played s**t yeams, half the time we were worse. He's also still, and sadly likely to be the only man for some time to have scored 150+ in both innings in Pakistan. Dude is a living god.I stand corrected.
He did indeed play home seies against WI and India and performed handsomly in both those series.
It's a matter of perspective I know, but I can't help feeling that WI at home in 1930-31 and India at home in 1947-48 were pretty much roadkkill for a Bradman led Australian team.
Again , it's totally hypothetical bit I wonder how Bradman would have performed against the rampant Windies sides of the 80's or against the Indian teams of the 90's onwards in India. I have a gut feeling that, that average of 99.4 might have been a little bit less
I also wonder what the test averages of A Border, G Chappell, Ponting, Hayden and S Smith would look like now if they din't have to play any tests away from home on the Sub-Continent or against the WI when they were total kings of cricket.
I know this is like shooting Bambi but.....
.......Bradman is seriously overrated.
1 .Never played a test match away from home outside England. So never had to bat in India, Pakistan, West Indies, Bahgla Desh, NZ or Zimbabwe
2, In, Australia only ever played against England and SAF...and that's when the SAF's were piss poor minnows.
So in a nutshell, all his test runs were made in Australia and England on pretty flat wickets against mediocre opposition, except when the Poms under Jardine took him on with "bodyline" in 1932-33
In that series he averaged around 67, got bowled for a duck in the first test and mysteriously pulled out of a later test in that series due to "illness".
As an all wicket player against any opposition in any conditions, I've got Steve Smith comfotably as my best ever Auusie batsman/batter.
And, yes, I rate him ahead of Bradman
So, while subjectively Bradman's average may have been lower in modern times, playing on covered, batsman friendly pitches with smaller boundaries and bigger bats, he may have averaged 105-110!
I think Ryan Harris gets a lot more plaudits than Stuart Clark, who was basically just as good, so Sarfraz gets my nod.
Ross Taylor
Agreed. Have NZ produced a better batsman?
You could argue Williamson, Turner or Crowe but his limited overs work is amazing too.
He's definite top 4 all time for NZ, possible #1 IMO.
Well worth the read tks for that. My first test match was Eng v Oz at the G in 70/71...John Snow was awesome(modern vernacular) beautiful run up and delivery stride and quick. Denis Lillee had the same aura. Two "great" fast bowlers.Read this article, thought of this thread.
http://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/1134499/for-the-love-of-snow
John Snow.
Ken McKewan was pretty handy as well...hit the ball hard. Excellent record in county cricket.Mike Procter, Clive Rice, Eddie Barlow and Lee Irvine. Barry Richards and Graeme Pollock seem to be the guys to get the lions share of plaudits for being great South African cricketers during boycott.
Gosh no.
Clark was good, but Harris was arguably best bowler in the world material.
Shivnarine Chanderpaul.
Carried the West Indies middle order the majority of his career. When Lara retired, was clearly their number 1 bat, but was still underrated to the likes of Gayle and Sarwan at various times.
Got dropped very swiftly after two lacklustre series after years of consistency.
Hmm I think he was underrated compared to the rest of his generation, but not to the rest of his team. His machine like output was also tempered somewhat by a general lack of playing to the game situation too. Don’t get me wrong, I’d take chanderpaul knocking up a slow hundred than a quick 35, but the longer his career went, seemingly the less flexible he became even though his run scoring was still mint
Clark needed to miracously start bowling 20km/h quicker mid career...
Clark needed to miracously start bowling 20km/h quicker mid career...
I must admit this thought had crossed my mind
I also recall the surprise at his remarkable transformation from medium pace trundler to one of the sharpest bowlers in the world.
Reading Harris' biography only time he really touched on it was one day bowling in a shield game the keeper Manou came up to him at the end of the over and said words to the effect of "s**t when did you get so quick" and he never looked back in terms of the pace he bowled.
I can't recall analysing his action much in his younger days so can't say with much certainty if it was simply finding his natural rhythm?