Play Nice 45th President of the United States: Donald Trump - Part 4 (cont in pt 5)

[Financialpanther]

https://nypost.com/2017/08/05/sessions-investigating-slush-fund-used-by-left-wing-groups/

https://theconservativetreehouse.co...-to-bite-its-creator/comment-page-1/#comments

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/economy/mick-mulvaney-elizabeth-warren-cfpb-accountability

LOL.

Umm ok - I am absolutely convinced now.....lol.

But seriously - I know you believe but I remain incredibly skeptical.

 

[awaremind]

Because nothing I have seen is “draining the swamp” - it’s a easy piece of rhetoric to sell to a public angry with government.

If he can set up Bolton and Pompeo for big falls, that would be a big step in the right direction.

 

[floodbuster]

Nah .

I'm going to start arguing the same way you do.


Nah, you're wrong.


Hey! That was easy.

 

[floodbuster]

Trump draining the swamp is like a government that repaints lines on the road and tell us they are fixing our motorway. Nothing changes but they remain busy telling us they are changing.

That's a very good analogy, I like it.

 

[floodbuster]

No Trump is the flower blooming

Poison ivy?

 

[floodbuster]

The flaw in that plan is he's incapable of developing coherent policies let alone a plan to execute them.

He's playing a character. He isn't the character.

Yeah, the only things he has close to coherent policy is an adjustment to TPP and.......

That's about it.

 

[Ripper]

This explains a lot.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/986814381722710016.html

 

[Ripper]

More winning!

 

[Satan]

Well, Set me straight instead of falling back on that old chestnut. Did Trotsky leave NY with $1M ?
Did Lenin leave Germany on the secret train at the same time even though WW1 was happening?

He got shot in 1980 in nyc

 

[GreyCrow]

The flaw in that plan is he's incapable of developing coherent policies let alone a plan to execute them.

He's playing a character. He isn't the character.

Its a valid point. If he kept of twitter then the lack of policy really wouldnt matter or the policy that does happen gets the fresh air to be discussed. I also said as the above. Stay off twitter and half if not more of the last 3 threads disappear

 

[Satan]

Its a valid point. If he kept of twitter then the lack of policy really wouldnt matter or the policy that does happen gets the fresh air to be discussed. I also said as the above. Stay off twitter and half if not more of the last 3 threads disappear

Chief needs income thou ,,Essendon drug saga over

 

[FireKrakouer]

The change in NK is more about Chinese policy than anything the Orange Emperor is doing.

SK disagree.

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/01/10...eserves-big-credit-for-north-korea-talks.html

Strategically Trump is making a huge mistake for the US if he caves to normalisation with NK. But the Chinese with the help of NK now have him boxed in.

The Chinese are playing the long game. Personally Trump is too (as usual while selling out his country).

Peace with a rogue nuclear state is bad for the US? What about the citizens of SK and NK having to live in anxious fear every day? Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like you are placing the importance of money over the importance of peace.

 

[FireKrakouer]

More recent article:

"North Korea has expressed its desire for “complete denuclearization” of the Korean peninsula and is not seeking conditions such as U.S. troops withdrawing from the South first, South Korean President Moon Jae-in said on Thursday."

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...eking-complete-denuclearization-idUSKBN1HQ119

 

[JeffDunne]

SK disagree.

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/01/10...eserves-big-credit-for-north-korea-talks.html

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/01/10...eserves-big-credit-for-north-korea-talks.html

Who doesn't praise the Orange Emperor when they want something?

As many are discovering, it costs nothing and the payoff can be significant.

Peace with a rogue nuclear state is bad for the US? What about the citizens of SK and NK having to live in anxious fear every day? Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like you are placing the importance of money over the importance of peace.

Bad for the US strategically.

Long term, who knows what the impact will be? I don't fear China domination in Asia but the Pentagon might.

 

[Ratts of Tobruk]

wait, so getting china to maintain the status quo is them backing off? china wants the status quo maintained. they dont want to invade, but that means no independence moves.

if usa leaving south korea is the price for china doing what its doing now, deal done already

Really crap arguing, mate. You just keep putting new sets of words in my mouth that bare no real relationship to what was said in the first place, while ignoring the responses. You should ask yourself why you're arguing like that, and try to avoid it in the future.

And if you think that criticism is a cop-out, you can have a direct response too - you're now claiming that China wants the status quo in Taiwan maintained, which is highly arguable, and that the US should withdraw from SoKo on the basis of "China doing what its doing now". That's the US and its allies giving up a key strategic outpost next to two Communist nations, one of which is a professed enemy, in exchange for... the 'status quo'? They already have that, obviously. Why would you do a deal to get what you already have? The whole point of these things is about managing the threat of what may happen, in the face of North Korea being bloody awful to its people.

 

[Satan]

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/04/19/politics/michael-cohen-dossier/index.html
One less court scenario that Cohen would be in a witness box and be truthful for fear of perjury

 

[Maggie5]

Gee no wonder Cohen is being investigated. Rather lengthy story on his background, involved in so many shady businesses including a number of links to Russia/Russians. Lock Him Up! Nice company you keep Donald.

https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-inc-podcast-michael-cohen

 

[floodbuster]

Gee no wonder Cohen is being investigated. Rather lengthy story on his background, involved in so many shady businesses including a number of links to Russia/Russians. Lock Him Up! Nice company you keep Donald.

https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-inc-podcast-michael-cohen

Birds of a feather flock together.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/01/donald-trump-scandals/474726/

 

[Maggie5]

Birds of a feather flock together.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/01/donald-trump-scandals/474726/

Yeah, but, but...

 

[Maggie5]

Go Team Mueller...

 

[Satan]

Birds of a feather flock together.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/01/donald-trump-scandals/474726/

So much to read , so little time

 

[floodbuster]

So much to read , so little time

Yeah with the Donald, his criminal and ties to crims is quite extensive.

It's a bit like Maggie's previous post which I bookmark and come back to.

 

[The Delusionist]

This explains a lot.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/986814381722710016.html

"1. Liberal progressives hold two truths as self-evident : they are the most intelligent, as well as the most virtuous, humans in history."

Trump supporters literally call him "God Emperor".
He aligns so much with their views, that he must be God. They are so correct in their views and opinions, that a person in a position of power who shares those views can only be explained as divinity.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Really crap arguing, mate. You just keep putting new sets of words in my mouth that bare no real relationship to what was said in the first place, while ignoring the responses. You should ask yourself why you're arguing like that, and try to avoid it in the future.

And if you think that criticism is a cop-out, you can have a direct response too - you're now claiming that China wants the status quo in Taiwan maintained, which is highly arguable, and that the US should withdraw from SoKo on the basis of "China doing what its doing now". That's the US and its allies giving up a key strategic outpost next to two Communist nations, one of which is a professed enemy, in exchange for... the 'status quo'? They already have that, obviously. Why would you do a deal to get what you already have? The whole point of these things is about managing the threat of what may happen, in the face of North Korea being bloody awful to its people.

China wants the status quo maintained because it doesnt want to invade. It will be costly, bloody, and devastating to trade. As long as taiwan dont edge towards recognition as an independant state, they are fine with it.

So you suggested using the sth korean usa forces to get china to back off on taiwan. If its not independance, not recognition, what is it? What are u wanting from china in return for us troops leaving?

 

[floodbuster]

If its not independance, not recognition, what is it? What are u wanting from china in return for us troops leaving?

To back off on the south China sea
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-pacific-13748349