Brexit - The UK referendum on leaving the EU - Reneging, reshmeging!

[tandino]

The circus is now on fire.

 

[donkeypunchd]

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Ah. Who would have guessed the neolibs and nativist coalition would fall apart.

 

[HairyO]

So May wants to leave the EU then pay the EU so thr UK can come back in.

Truly pathetic how she makes Boris actually look sensible.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

 

[Bomberboyokay]

Pro-Brexit people on Twitter. Jesus Christ, they've done nothing but read Daily Mail and The Sun for 2 years. Going to be ugly when their naive beliefs on British superiority crash hard into reality. They won't like any outcome.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

It is worth recalling that a majority of the parliamentary Conservative Party wanted to remain in the EU. It’s worth recalling, too, that there is no majority for a hard Brexit in the Commons, and still less in the Lords. As if she needed reminding, Sir Vince Cable, Ian Blackford and Ben Bradshaw kindly offered the services of the Liberal Democrats, the SNP and Labour rebels, should she need them, to get her policy – or something like it – past her own rebels.

And that is without reckoning on the negotiating power of the EU. To be clear: the EU would still prefer the UK not to leave at all (a small chance of which grows by the day as the British government descends into mayhem). Failing that, it would prefer something comprehensible such as the European Economic Area, the Norway model or some such. Ms May says she doesn’t wish to compromise on these, but refuses to rule out further concessions, as she was urged to by Iain Duncan Smith in the Commons. She’ll need to hand some cherries back.

In short, then, the net effect of these dramatic resignations is to increase the chances of so-called soft Brexit and reduce the chances of hard Brexit. That is ironic, but it is how democracies work, if in mysterious ways, to somehow communicate the public mood to the ruling class.

The Remainers had their first taste of revenge when they deprived Ms May of her Commons majority in her ill-judged snap election last year. Now they will be able to savour the delicious prospect of her being pushed further and further away from her own red lines and towards a softer, longer, gentler Brexit than even Andrex could devise. Boris knows not what he has done; he has managed to “polish the turd” that is the May premiership. Some may feel he deserves a scatological epitaph of his own.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...-brexit-soft-resign-david-davis-a8439321.html

 

[The Speaker]

The fact that a majority of MPs do not support leaving the European Union says a lot more about the lack of proper representation in Parliament than anything else.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

The fact that a majority of MPs do not support leaving the European Union says a lot more about the lack of proper representation in Parliament than anything else.

Time for Brits to take back control from the people they voted for? There was a referendum on changing to the superior Australian House of Representatives system in 2011. Your fellow travellers shat on it and made sure it didn't get up.

 

[ClokesShankedIt]

Looks like Brexit is becoming for the Tories what refugee policy is to the ALP. They need to lose an election every so often to be reminded what the people actually want.

 

[Total Power]

Time for Brits to take back control from the people they voted for? There was a referendum on changing to the superior Australian House of Representatives system in 2011. Your fellow travellers shat on it and made sure it didn't get up.

The vote was manipulated, the stars aligned for them and the migration crisis happened. On top of that false promises like 350m/week to NHS etc. The public are sheep. Democracy it ain't. Fear is everything, you control people through fear, this was a perfect example, dem brown fellas are coming.

 

[The Speaker]

Time for Brits to take back control from the people they voted for? There was a referendum on changing to the superior Australian House of Representatives system in 2011. Your fellow travellers shat on it and made sure it didn't get up.

My fellow travellers? The greedy Tory Party, full of Blairite liberals with a few lone conservatives here and there, or the divided, chameleon-like Labour Party, led by a socialist but full of Blairite liberals who don't like him?

It would be nice if the British people got to select between actually different candidates, but most of them don't get that choice. The candidates are decided beforehand by the parties, and most of them are the same colour of liberal beige.

 

[The Speaker]

The vote was manipulated, the stars aligned for them and the migration crisis happened. On top of that false promises like 350m/week to NHS etc. The public are sheep. Democracy it ain't. Fear is everything, you control people through fear, this was a perfect example, dem brown fellas are coming.

This was the one vote that wasn't manipulated, which is presumably why it still hurts you so much.

 

[Total Power]

This was the one vote that wasn't manipulated, which is presumably why it still hurts you so much.

If the migration crisis never happened, they would never have won.

 

[Total Power]

It would be nice if the British people got to select between actually different candidates, but most of them don't get that choice. The candidates are decided beforehand by the parties, and most of them are the same colour of liberal beige.

And people still think UK is a democracy.

 

[The Speaker]

Looks like Brexit is becoming for the Tories what refugee policy is to the ALP. They need to lose an election every so often to be reminded what the people actually want.

The referendum told them what the people want, they just don't care because they hate what the people want.

If the migration crisis never happened, they would never have won.

It would've been pretty tight, but that's like saying that if the NSW Labor Party hadn't been full of corruption, they would've won in 2011.

Leave won because the EU directly contributed to something that people didn't want. That is the fault of the European Union.

And people still think UK is a democracy.

Well it's not like they're alone in that regard. The reason so-called populists are gaining ground across the western world is mainly because people actually have diverse opinions and don't want to just pick between two or three parties that are exactly the same where it matters.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

Toys out of the cot because the hard right version of Brexit isn't going to happen.

 

[The Speaker]

Toys out of the cot because the hard right version of Brexit isn't going to happen.

"Hard right"? What universe is your mind in?

Leaving the European Union means removing one's self from the political apparatus of the European Union. The economic stuff is less important, but the current 'deal' they're suggesting involves remaining attached to both. There is no way that can be called leaving the European Union.

 

[Total Power]

Leave won because the EU directly contributed to something that people didn't want. That is the fault of the European Union.

The migrants could never get to UK anyway unless they were allocated under the quota system. It was pure "fear" showing the video of thousands of people marching towards EU. It's by no way related to UK. It's not easy for migrants to cross over from Calais to UK, many have tried over the years and very few been successful

 

[The Speaker]

The migrants could never get to UK anyway unless they were allocated under the quota system. It was pure "fear" showing the video of thousands of people marching towards EU. It's by no way related to UK. It's not for migrants to cross over from Calais to UK, many have tried over the years and very few been successful

It is absolutely related to the European Union's freedom of movement.

Unfortunately for the Blairites, when the British electorate discovers that it isn't just about the EU's freedom of movement, they will have nowhere to hide, because they love the low-wage economy that mass immigration brings about.

 

[Total Power]

It is absolutely related to the European Union's freedom of movement.

Nonsense, UK require visas for all asylum seekers holding refugee status in mainland EU

 

[The Speaker]

Nonsense, UK require visas for all asylum seekers holding refugee status in mainland EU

Which is irrelevant anyway, because they have no reason to hold refugee status once they have reached another safe country, which the UK would never be the first one of.

The relevance of the EU's freedom of movement is that even if the British government wanted to, it has no real control over the number of migrants with the appropriate EU status that wish to enter the country.

 

[Total Power]

Which is irrelevant anyway,.

What? you were just talking about EU freedom of movement of refugees, which doesn't apply to the UK. How is it "irrelevant"? nice backflip there

 

[The Speaker]

What? you were just talking about EU freedom of movement of refugees, which doesn't apply to the UK. How is it "irrelevant"? nice backflip there

No, I was talking about the EU's freedom of movement. You have assumed something that I haven't said, and then gone on about I point I wasn't making, only to accuse me of something I haven't done.

 

[Total Power]

No, I was talking about the EU's freedom of movement. You have assumed something that I haven't said, and then gone on about I point I wasn't making, only to accuse me of something I haven't done.

Are you ******* serious? you are desperately trying to backflip now. I posted.

The migrants could never get to UK anyway unless they were allocated under the quota system. It was pure "fear" showing the video of thousands of people marching towards EU. It's by no way related to UK. It's not for migrants to cross over from Calais to UK, many have tried over the years and very few been successful

To which you replied:

It is absolutely related to the European Union's freedom of movement.

Unfortunately for the Blairites, when the British electorate discovers that it isn't just about the EU's freedom of movement, they will have nowhere to hide, because they love the low-wage economy that mass immigration brings about.

How is it related to UK????? i am not talking about them moving to netherlands etc? i am telling you migrants coming to mainland EU got little to do with UK, this was project fear.

On the other hand, a bloke given refugee status in the UK can roam freely anywhere in the EU. That is ironic, but your argument is a strawman right from the beginning UK doesnt recognise EU refugee permits, they need to go through normal tourist/settlement visa route which even i had to go through when i moved to the UK

If you can read german:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reiseausweis_für_Flüchtlinge

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whatever we are discussing doesn't apply to the UK, EU freedom of movement is nonexistent in case of refugees in correlation to UK. I cannot explain this any easier. Just admit you are wrong

The relevance of the EU's freedom of movement is that even if the British government wanted to, it has no real control over the number of migrants with the appropriate EU status that wish to enter the country.

Do tell, what appropriate EU status does a refugee need to travel to UK without a visa (without an EU passport or not being married to an EU citizen). I was a holder of aussie passport and married to a swedish citizen and even i needed a visa to live in the UK for longer than 90 days. A refugee with a permanent status in the EU holding a 10 year permit would still ******* need a visa to travel to the UK.

I done with this ****