List Mgmt. Trade & F/A - 2018/2019 - Part 2!

[Jasper84]

It can't be that difficult can it?

He said whilst neglecting to separate a statement and a question with a comma.

 

[ClaytonM]

His 21-22 and a real potential star. Simple he is a must keep, to keep him we are going to have to pay base $550-$600k over 2-3 years, build in the incentives to earn very attractive bonuses if he meets certain targets. If we don’t get the on field return 3 years from now then I would be open to trading.

Base of 500-600 way overs for a player who have achieved sweet f**k all so far in his career.

Low 400s plus good incentives if he stays on the park.

 

[ClaytonM]

It can't be that difficult can it?

How hard is it to understand that paying a player plenty to not play is just stupid?

The club and Moore should be structuring a contract that acknowledges the risks to both parties and allocates the risks accordingly. It is contract negotiation 101.

For Moore the risk is he performs to a very high standard over the next 2-3 years and isnt adequarely compensated for his performance.

For the club the risk is we pay plenty for a player sitting on the sideline.

If the club cant negotiate a reasonable base salary with incentives, it is either incompetent, or Moore's demands are unreasonable.

If it is the latter then trade Moore. He really isnt fully invested in the club.

That isnt hard to understand.

 

[jackcass]

I cannot believe how many on here aren’t prepared to pay Moore $500-$600K? We need to invest in him not hand him over to another club willing to pay for the talent they’ve seen & know he WILL deliver.

$600K is about 5% of TPP and not an insignificant amount of money if he's not going to be available for selection. Especially when you're doling it out largely on potential. If he'd managed a number of games this year it'd be a different discussion.

 

[Go Woods]

Base of 500-600 way overs for a player who have achieved sweet f**k all so far in his career.

Low 400s plus good incentives if he stays on the park.

Ok, let’s let him walk then & watch him tear us a new one when he does get on the park and plays against us.

 

[sr36]

How hard is it to understand that paying a player plenty to not play is just stupid?

The club and Moore should be structuring a contract that acknowledges the risks to both parties and allocates the risks accordingly. It is contract negotiation 101.

For Moore the risk is he performs to a very high standard over the next 2-3 years and isnt adequarely compensated for his performance.

For the club the risk is we pay plenty for a player sitting on the sideline.

If the club cant negotiate a reasonable base salary with incentives, it is either incompetent, or Moore's demands are unreasonable.

If it is the latter then trade Moore. He really isnt fully invested in the club.

That isnt hard to understand.

You've got the risk for Moore wrong. What you're describing as a risk will result in a massive next contract, Like all AFL players, the risk for Moorei is that something stops him playing AFL and shortens his career. A 2 year contract with a small base with incentives maximises his risk and he'll be trying to avoid signing a contract like that..

 

[partypie]

What’s Weideman’s contract status? If he’s out of contract then it would be worth putting an offer to him with the excess we had from the Lynch kitty. At worst it means that Melbourne has to pay up for him and stretch their cap.

He's contracted until 2019 so there wouldn't be any offer put to him unless he or Melbourne want to part ways - and I can't see that happening now that he's been arguably BOG in their first final in forever...

 

[Apex36]

He's contracted until 2019 so there wouldn't be any offer put to him unless he or Melbourne want to part ways - and I can't see that happening now that he's been arguably BOG in their first final in forever...

There’s nothing stopping another club making him an offer, regardless of his or Melbournes intentions. Worst case scenario is he says no, but it will at least put pressure on Melbourne to make him an attractive offer, potentially squeezing their cap. They’ve still got to re-sign Petracca a year after Weideman too, remember

 

[partypie]

There’s nothing stopping another club making him an offer, regardless of his or Melbournes intentions. Worst case scenario is he says no, but it will at least put pressure on Melbourne to make him an attractive offer, potentially squeezing their cap. They’ve still got to re-sign Petracca a year after Weideman too, remember

So that's the sort of reputation you're comfortable with our club having then?

If a player is in the final year of their contract and is holding off on re-signing to explore their options then I'm fine with list and player managers putting out feelers, but I'd be disappointed if our club was throwing numbers at a player who is contracted for next year where there appears to be no desire to part ways from either player or club.

If that ends up becoming the norm and clubs start trying to indirectly tamper with other clubs TPP's by approaching contracred players with offers in the manner you suggest above then whole contracting and trading situation will rapidly devolve into an absolute shitlfest.

 

[Apex36]

So that's the sort of reputation you're comfortable with our club having then?

I want my club to be ruthless and win premierships. I couldn’t give a shit about what others think.

If a player is in the final year of their contract and is holding off on re-signing to explore their options then I'm fine with list and player managers putting out feelers, but I'd be disappointed if our club was throwing numbers at a player who is contracted for next year where there appears to be no desire to part ways from either player or club.

Why? If you value a player highly, and think you might be able to shake them from the tree, then go for it. You think we weren’t making Tom Lynch offers years ago?

If that ends up becoming the norm and clubs start trying to indirectly tamper with other clubs TPP's by approaching contracred players with offers in the manner you suggest above then whole contracting and trading situation will rapidly devolve into an absolute shitlfest.

It has nothing to do with indirectly tampering with clubs TPP’s. It’s having an awareness of oppositions clubs lists and knowing that you could potentially squeeze a player in to your own club with the right offer. You reckon that North didn’t do exactly the same thing with JDG this year? The only difference is he was OOC and Weideman is only OOC in 2019.

 

[partypie]

The only difference is he was OOC and Weideman is only OOC in 2019.

That is a pretty significant difference - like I said if a player in JDG's situation is testing the market (and his situation was fairly unique for a player coming OOC) then I have no problem with it.

Let's just agree to disagree on everything you've said above (and I posted initially) as this isn't going anywhere.

 

[TradeDraft]

Target Defenders and nothing else

 

[ClaytonM]

Ok, let’s let him walk then & watch him tear us a new one when he does get on the park and plays against us.

Let him walk then and we use the compensation, which should be considerable reflecting what another club is paying him, to address our list needs.

 

[TradeDraft]

Let him walk then and we use the compensation, which should be considerable reflecting what another club is paying him, to address our list needs.

But Moore is a Huge List Need

 

[legendstatus]

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[ClaytonM]

But Moore is a Huge List Need

Not at the wrong price

 

[Leviathan Pie]

Treacle slow and poor kick

Mark this as someone who has no idea about football.

 

[F_therest]

But Moore is a Huge List Need

Rumour on our board that we're into JDG and that he's interested despite having just re-signed.
Unknown poster so no credits in the bank so likely BS - can't see why he'd be interested unless we are offering some ridiculous cash.

However with this Moore talk thought i'd throw this up and interested to see what you think as a Collingwood supporter.

From a list perspective would you consider trading him for pick 1 or pick 1 & Liam Jones?
This would give you the opportunity to draft the highly rated Lukosius who can supposedly play both forward and back to a high standard...it could also potentially free up a bit of cash to keep Moore so have both he and Lukosius.

JDG looks a potential gun and understand if you rubbish this hypothetical but it looks like Collingwood have heaps of depth in that forward/mid type player like Stephenson, WHE, Mihocek etc and JDG is still inconsistent...with past indiscretions as well.

Could be a potentially ruthless and shrewd move by Collingwood to move him on and allow you to draft Lukosius and keep Moore by offering more $$$, boosting your KPP stocks for years to come.

 

[ottoman]

Rumour on our board that we're into JDG and that he's interested despite having just re-signed.
Unknown poster so no credits in the bank so likely BS - can't see why he'd be interested unless we are offering some ridiculous cash.

However with this Moore talk thought i'd throw this up and interested to see what you think as a Collingwood supporter.

From a list perspective would you consider trading him for pick 1 or pick 1 & Liam Jones?
This would give you the opportunity to draft the highly rated Lukosius who can supposedly play both forward and back to a high standard...it could also potentially free up a bit of cash to keep Moore so have both he and Lukosius.

JDG looks a potential gun and understand if you rubbish this hypothetical but it looks like Collingwood have heaps of depth in that forward/mid type player like Stephenson, WHE, Mihocek etc and JDG is still inconsistent...with past indiscretions as well.

Could be a potentially ruthless and shrewd move by Collingwood to move him on and allow you to draft Lukosius and keep Moore by offering more $$$, boosting your KPP stocks for years to come.

No way your club would give us pick 1 for Moore.
Not even SOS is that stupid.
If you were to give up pick 1 something more than Moore would have to come your way.

DeGoey got offered a godfather deal from North and didn't accept it. I think you can put that rumour to bed.

 

[F_therest]

No way your club would give us pick 1 for Moore.
Not even SOS is that stupid.
If you were to give up pick 1 something more than Moore would have to come your way.

DeGoey got offered a godfather deal from North and didn't accept it. I think you can put that rumour to bed.

Sorry if confusing, the rumour was purely around us interested in JDG, not Moore.

But i just added that a trade for pick 1 could free up cash to also allow you to keep Moore as another bonus to drafting Lukosius.

But yeah you're right about JDG with the North offer, unless something has drastically changed i can't see any chance of it happening or being a true rumour.

 

[ottoman]

Sorry if confusing, the rumour was purely around us interested in JDG, not Moore.

But i just added that a trade for pick 1 could free up cash to also allow you to keep Moore as another bonus to drafting Lukosius.

But yeah you're right about JDG with the North offer, unless something has drastically changed i can't see any chance of it happening or being a true rumour.

I reckon that rumour is as close to 100% wrong as possible.
North pretty much admitted they offered 1.2 mill and he still chose to stay. If money was going to sway him then he wouldn't have already signed. He would have held out.

 

[F_therest]

I reckon that rumour is as close to 100% wrong as possible.
North pretty much admitted they offered 1.2 mill and he still chose to stay. If money was going to sway him then he wouldn't have already signed. He would have held out.

Don't disagree...still, i'm just curious if Collingwood fans would entertain my hypothetical trade

 

[ottoman]

Don't disagree...still, i'm just curious if Collingwood fans would entertain my hypothetical trade

I don't think any Collingwood supporter would entertain any hypothetical anything when it comes to JDG
He is our golden child.

 

[Dead Eye Didak]

Rumour on our board that we're into JDG and that he's interested despite having just re-signed.
Unknown poster so no credits in the bank so likely BS - can't see why he'd be interested unless we are offering some ridiculous cash.

However with this Moore talk thought i'd throw this up and interested to see what you think as a Collingwood supporter.

From a list perspective would you consider trading him for pick 1 or pick 1 & Liam Jones?
This would give you the opportunity to draft the highly rated Lukosius who can supposedly play both forward and back to a high standard...it could also potentially free up a bit of cash to keep Moore so have both he and Lukosius.

JDG looks a potential gun and understand if you rubbish this hypothetical but it looks like Collingwood have heaps of depth in that forward/mid type player like Stephenson, WHE, Mihocek etc and JDG is still inconsistent...with past indiscretions as well.

Could be a potentially ruthless and shrewd move by Collingwood to move him on and allow you to draft Lukosius and keep Moore by offering more $$$, boosting your KPP stocks for years to come.

Stupidest rumour to come into a opposition board with l have seen. DeGoey just played in a final, and preparing to play in another next week. Why would he even remotely entertain the idea of going to a club that struggles to get past 17th on the ladder, with years of gloom ahead.
You also want to pass of your garbage like Liam Jones? No thanks, l think Liam is more a Carlton list fit, then ours.

 

[SpongePie]

I cannot believe how many on here aren’t prepared to pay Moore $500-$600K? We need to invest in him not hand him over to another club willing to pay for the talent they’ve seen & know he WILL deliver.

No from me. Pick 1 could end up being Jack Watts Mark 2. Whereas I honestly believe JDG has the potential of winning a Brownlow one day.