List Mgmt. Trade & F/A - 2018/2019 - Part 2!

[The Magnificent Seven]

What would be people’s thoughts to

Dylan Shiel 3.3 million over 4 years

I’m not convinced we are under salary cap pressure I think it’s kore likely we have players that are rapidly becoming stars that we need to make future allowances for

I say NO to the Fonz.

I say Eyyyyyyyy to May.

 

[didaksrightfoot]

I'm not overly fussed about the timing of offers but it appears from Lucas's comments that Ned hasn't been having the "we love your player and we want to sign him but we just don't know how much freedom we've got in the TPP at this stage" conversation with his manager which surprises me. It's not that hard to maintain open dialogue. Unless of course they weren't committed to retaining him.

It sounds like Langdon has had a contract in front of him all year.
That may well have been all the conversation Ned Guy felt he needed to have with Langdon/Lucas: "you are a wanted player - here's the contract".
Guy may well have left it at that until the season was done. The ball was in Langdons court to either accept, come back with a counter offer, or demand a trade. (Or wait patiently to see if his performances upped the offer).

I agree that it would be nice for Guy to keep more regular contact, but it might also not be the best business move - especially if they think their current offer is fair and Langdons demands (or rumoured demands) are outlandish.

I wouldn't read to much into Lucas' comments though. An Agent is going to do everything he can to eek the most $ out of the club, and make the club look like the bad guy.

 

[jackcass]

It sounds like Langdon has had a contract in front of him all year.
That may well have been all the conversation Ned Guy felt he needed to have with Langdon/Lucas: "you are a wanted player - here's the contract".
Guy may well have left it at that until the season was done. The ball was in Langdons court to either accept, come back with a counter offer, or demand a trade. (Or wait patiently to see if his performances upped the offer).

I agree that it would be nice for Guy to keep more regular contact, but it might also not be the best business move - especially if they think their current offer is fair and Langdons demands (or rumoured demands) are outlandish.

I wouldn't read to much into Lucas' comments though. An Agent is going to do everything he can to eek the most $ out of the club, and make the club look like the bad guy.

I got the opposite impression but there you go.

 

[doppleganger]

Clubs do as well.

Not all clubs.

Unsurprisingly, Hawthorn have happily traded away first round picks year on year.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Good to hear! Where was that on?

SEN

 

[doppleganger]

Agreed. I don't want Moore or Langdon to leave. But equally, if money is the sticking point.. it's irresponsible list management to pay massive overs because a player had a good finals series

It would normally always be about money.

Moore, looks as though he wanted to back himself in to play good footy so he ‘deserves’ a bigger contract....but he couldn’t get on the park.

Langdon, appears the club was in no rush to offer him a contract. He goes and plays three great games in a row, culminating in a GF where he received Norm Smith votes.

Because Collingwood were slow to act, Langdon potentially now has some offers from clubs who may not have shown much interest mid season...if he has a 500K offer in front of him and Pies only offer 350-400...who could blame him for leaving or asking for the Pies to come to the table.

 

[BringouttheGimp]

Bless you Gimp

I feel more alive already with your tips

Isn't that what it's all about re.. going from la nuit de l'homme.. to Faberge and Brut 33.. back to la nuit de l'homme..

You don't look for inspiration.. be patient enough and it will come to you.. and you're f back. Nothing's changed re.

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

You've become Big Event Damien.

 

[Chrispiesssss]

I got the opposite impression but there you go.

Completely agree. We waited to see where the other pieces of the puzzle fell, and fortunately for Langdon, he can still remain a Pie, if he wants.

 

[donnie5]

Didn’t realise we have so many players uncontracted...

Greenwood, Langdon, Moore, Mihocek and Appleby.

Hopefully we can lock down Greenwood for a little less coin than he was on when we first signed him, very important player imo.

Mihocek one is a bit worrying, he has been incredible this season for us. How do we fit all these guys in and try and make a play for anyone else?

I doubt we can really. Hopefully I’m wrong.

 

[Moeydw]

What would be people’s thoughts to

Dylan Shiel 3.3 million over 4 years

I’m not convinced we are under salary cap pressure I think it’s kore likely we have players that are rapidly becoming stars that we need to make future allowances for

Might be an unpopular opinion but I think Shiel is slightly overrated, he does have line breaking ability but his disposal is poor and I wouldn't want him when we already have Adams and Treloar who have shaky disposal as well.

 

[Moeydw]

Didn’t realise we have so many players uncontracted...

Greenwood, Langdon, Moore, Mihocek and Appleby.

Hopefully we can lock down Greenwood for a little less coin than he was on when we first signed him, very important player imo.

Mihocek one is a bit worrying, he has been incredible this season for us. How do we fit all these guys in and try and make a play for anyone else?

I doubt we can really. Hopefully I’m wrong.

Hopefully Mihocek repays us for giving him a chance.

 

[ITCHY EYEBALLS]

Just interested in how you guys value Moore and Langdon, pick wise.
cheers

 

[Fruit]

I’ve been struggling since the Grand Final wondering how we can get to a Grand Final again.
I’ve started to come around though. Would Dunn be back in May? If so, Dunn FB, Moore CHB. Treloar and Goldsack fully recovered from injuries. Improvement from Stephenson, Phillips, Sier and De Goey etc who are still young.
Also could we land one more to complement us? Is Beams any chance? I heard him say he was staying at Lions but have noticed his name keeps bobbing up.

 

[HFF]

Hopefully Greennwood isn't given more than a one year deal.
To be honest, I think next season we should start to see guys like Callum Brown go past him.

 

[unplugged]

Just interested in how you guys value Moore and Langdon, pick wise.
cheers

Pick 1 for Moore and Curnow for Langdon

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

The trade period is in full swing and every club is looking for versatility.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Didn’t realise we have so many players uncontracted...

Greenwood, Langdon, Moore, Mihocek and Appleby.

Hopefully we can lock down Greenwood for a little less coin than he was on when we first signed him, very important player imo.

Mihocek one is a bit worrying, he has been incredible this season for us. How do we fit all these guys in and try and make a play for anyone else?

I doubt we can really. Hopefully I’m wrong.

Of these 5 players, only 2 are crucial to lock in at this stage - Moore and Langdon. Mihochek has his limitations given he doesn't really play like a CHF, plus I can't see other clubs snapping him up for big money. Appleby would be handy but is also another player unlikely to be offered a big salary elsewhere. Greenwood is a tough nut but if he stays it should be on our terms not his.

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

Might be an unpopular opinion but I think Shiel is slightly overrated, he does have line breaking ability but his disposal is poor and I wouldn't want him when we already have Adams and Treloar who have shaky disposal as well.

It's just so telling of how some marriages can run out of puff.

 

[ITCHY EYEBALLS]

Pick 1 for Moore and Curnow for Langdon

im interested because Crows fans seem adamant that MM is a 1st rd in 5-15 range and I would say Langdon in particular has shown more.
Would a mid 1st get Langdon, mid 2nd Moore?

 

[Couch Coach]

im interested because Crows fans seem adamant that MM is a 1st rd in 5-15 range and I would say Langdon in particular has shown more.
Would a mid 1st get Langdon, mid 2nd Moore?

I would have it the other way around.

Moore 10-15 range based upon potential and rarity (200cm person versus 189cm Lagdon)
Langdon 25 - 35 range

MM I don't get. He is a 190cm forward. Not tall or dominant enough (think Fev @ 191cm) to build a forward line around. For mine MM is a 20-30 pick range.

 

[donnie5]

im interested because Crows fans seem adamant that MM is a 1st rd in 5-15 range and I would say Langdon in particular has shown more.
Would a mid 1st get Langdon, mid 2nd Moore?

I’d say 15-20 for Langdon is fair and 10-15 for Darcy Moore would be around the mark also.

Hopefully it doesn’t come to trading either and we lock them both in.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

im interested because Crows fans seem adamant that MM is a 1st rd in 5-15 range and I would say Langdon in particular has shown more.
Would a mid 1st get Langdon, mid 2nd Moore?

Yes and no.

 

[Thefly38]

im interested because Crows fans seem adamant that MM is a 1st rd in 5-15 range and I would say Langdon in particular has shown more.
Would a mid 1st get Langdon, mid 2nd Moore?

Crows are going to force a top 12 pick out of you for McGovern or your not going to get him. You over pay or miss out your obviously offering huge coin so need to stump up at the trade table. He’s chasing $$$$$

 

[No SPIN]

I’ve been struggling since the Grand Final wondering how we can get to a Grand Final again.
I’ve started to come around though. Would Dunn be back in May? If so, Dunn FB, Moore CHB. Treloar and Goldsack fully recovered from injuries. Improvement from Stephenson, Phillips, Sier and De Goey etc who are still young.
Also could we land one more to complement us? Is Beams any chance? I heard him say he was staying at Lions but have noticed his name keeps bobbing up.

You missed Elliot, Shaz, Reid, Appleby all contenders for best 22, and COX, Adams, Maynard, can also be added to your " to improve" list.

So I think we could be fine even if we miss May.