Play Nice 45th President of the United States: Donald Trump - Part 6 - It begins. (cont in pt 7)

[Poor Form]

Ex wife denies
His ex-wife, Christine Avenatti-Carlin, also issued a statement of support through his law office, labeling Avenatti as a "good man" who "has never been abusive to me or anyone else."

I honestly don't care that much about the guy, there aren't enough details to draw conclusion as yet but he was arrested for something so there must be an accusation somewhere from someone. He's denied it so he'll get his due process, i just find it ironic that someone so outspoken about womens rights and protecting women is now accused as a wife beater.

 

[bourbons]

Is this so? Is this how journalists are accredited to cover the White House?

Can you please post a link to your source?

Yes, this is so. For just about everything from the white house to sporting events and leagues. Source? I mean, it's common sense isn't it?

But ok

https://foreignpolicy.com/2010/06/07/can-the-white-house-revoke-a-reporters-credentials/

"To get accredited for the White House, a reporter first needs to be approved for a congressional press pass by the Standing Committee of Correspondents, elected by accredited reporters. Among other requirements, congressional reporters must demonstrate that they work for a publication whose "principal business is the daily dissemination of original news and opinion of interest to a broad segment of the public" and is "editorially independent of any institution, foundation or interest group that lobbies the federal government. The White House also requires an additional Secret Service background check."

Example of an application letter here -> http://washingtonnote.com/standard_letter/

Happy? Any chance you'll drop possibly the most ridiculous line of argument ever seen in this thread? Big call I know.

edit:

Not related to your question, but also noticed this from the first link and had a chuckle

"Because administrations generally don’t want to be seen as deciding who is or isn’t a qualified journalist, it’s unheard of for a reporter to be suspended for the quality of his or her reporting or behavior, though there are a few notable cases of reporters being barred for security reasons."

 

[FireKrakouer]

Interesting little analysis by John Barron just now.

34 to 38 seat loss in the mid terms. Recent historical average Republican loss in a non-recession year? 1 seat.

Only Ford did worse out of the Republican presidents shown.

They must really have gotten tired of winning.

Misleading to average it out, which is offset by the years when they won seats. The more relevant stat is the average seats lost in midterms by a party who holds the whitehouse, which is 34. So the result was quite normal.

 

[Mofra]

I honestly don't care that much about the guy, there aren't enough details to draw conclusion as yet but he was arrested for something so there must be an accusation somewhere from someone. He's denied it so he'll get his due process, i just find it ironic that someone so outspoken about womens rights and protecting women is now accused as a wife beater.

The irony is we would have never heard of him if someone who says he's a great deal maker hadn't paid US$135k to have sex with his client. Once.

 

[Poor Form]

Squabbling over the wording of the pass that was suspended but no issues with the doctored footage put out by the WH.

More evidence that "Fake News" is just anything that Trump and his supporters don't like.

Arguing about the nature of doctored footage while ignoring what the footage doctored and un-doctored shows isn't great either.

Anyway is anyone actually making a point (i haven't seen anyone comment) whether they actually have a case here? Their goal being to get him reinstated i can't actually see how either of their main arguments (1st ammendment and 5th violations) could stack up. They aren't restricting his free speech and the pass wouldn't be his property? Perhaps I'm incorrect as it seems people inherit passes from others which might make the nature of them an asset. But seems a very low bar would have to be set for this case to get up.

 

[Poor Form]

The irony is we would have never heard of him if someone who says he's a great deal maker hadn't paid US$135k to have sex with his client. Once.

Billionaires gonna billionaire. He's a household name not because of Trump's actions back then but because the media is desperate to hang Trump so they put forward people who have questionable integrity like Avenatti.

 

[its free real estate]

Avenatti is just more evidence for the maxim that you should never trust male feminists.

 

[bourbons]

Ok on that topic then Jeff Flake couldn't be more aptly named, he's the definition of a RINO against Trump since day 1, Sinema replacing him in the senate will make no difference since he's been nearly as bad as any democrat in the senate.

Wut

Case could actually be made Sessions did more for Trump's and GOP's agenda than any other, certainly re: immigration and border security. Was also the first senator to endorse Trump for president, the only presidential endorsement he made over almost 2 decades as a senator. "Against Trump since day 1"? Pretty much the exact opposite.

We all know the problem - recusing himself from the Mueller investigation, and Trump's inability to get over it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/08/us/politics/sessions-trump-justice-department-legacy.html

http://podbay.fm/show/1057255460/e/1541632683?autostart=1 (14 minutes in)

 

[Satan]

I honestly don't care that much about the guy, there aren't enough details to draw conclusion as yet but he was arrested for something so there must be an accusation somewhere from someone. He's denied it so he'll get his due process, i just find it ironic that someone so outspoken about womens rights and protecting women is now accused as a wife beater.

Would anyone want to stitch him up ?

 

[FireKrakouer]

Avenatti is just more evidence for the maxim that you should never trust male feminists.

This is why I'm always suspicious of virtue signallers.

 

[Punt rd end]

 

[GuruJane]

https://foreignpolicy.com/2010/06/07/can-the-white-house-revoke-a-reporters-credentials
"To get accredited for the White House, a reporter first needs to be approved for a congressional press pass by the Standing Committee of Correspondents, elected by accredited reporters. Among other requirements, congressional reporters must demonstrate that they work for a publication whose "principal business is the daily dissemination of original news and opinion of interest to a broad segment of the public" and is "editorially independent of any institution, foundation or interest group that lobbies the federal government. The White House also requires an additional Secret Service background check."

Good. So you now understand that the accreditation is supplied by a Standing Committee of fellow journalists and NOT by

That's how accreditation works, its provided by the entities on which a journalist is reporting.

as you posted earlier.

Now we've got that straight the system works like this: the committee of peers supplies the accreditation, not the White House.
Once a journo has his/her accreditation it is up to the white house to enable unescorted access to WH via the hard pass.
Ergo it is Jimmy's unescorted access that has been revoked not his press credentials or press pass.
(His press pass/credential is what he waves at people to introduce himself outside the WH.)

Glad this is cleared up. Well done.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

You asked me to describe "descriptive" between two choices "less dishonest or derogatory?" It wasn't a yes or no question. Nor did I have to choose between the the two options you gave me.

It sounds like you misunderstood the question.

I asked whether a label being "descriptive" automatically means it's not dishonest or not derogatory.

That is a yes or no question. The correct answer is no. It doesn't mean that.

And I answered by rejecting both of your provided options by stating: "You're assuming such descriptive labels are dishonest or derogatory to begin with."

See above.

Who are you to tell me I'm pretending? It's my observation.

Who am I? I'm the person pointing out that you're pretending.

Weird question.

I'd first have to have skin in the game for my observations to be self-serving.

Or perhaps you simply have a point of view that you're clumsily trying to substantiate.

Not only do the Left resort to labels more, but they use it as their primary means of attack.

What is this assertion based on? Anything?

I'm not on the Right, so be my guest. I've already stated the Right have used labels, it's just that they don't use them to the same extent or as their primary means of attack, unlike the Left.

What is this assertion based on? Anything? Or are you just pulling it out of your arse?

 

[Sweet Jesus]

I honestly don't care that much about the guy, there aren't enough details to draw conclusion as yet but he was arrested for something so there must be an accusation somewhere from someone. He's denied it so he'll get his due process, i just find it ironic that someone so outspoken about womens rights and protecting women is now accused as a wife beater.

Why is that ironic?

 

[GuruJane]

Billionaires gonna billionaire. He's a household name not because of Trump's actions back then but because the media is desperate to hang Trump so they put forward people who have questionable integrity like Avenatti.

and the foolish women who fall for it.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Even Foxnews is corrupted by fake news.

In fact, when I was researching my link I found it very hard to find a report from any outlet that hadn't been corrupted by fake news in its reporting of this event. Just shows how powerful the CNN megaphone is.

But eventually I did.All real news except for the headline.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/white-house-yanks-jim-acostas-press-pass

I don't understand your argument. How would you characterise Acosta having his WH access suspended?

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Ok on that topic then Jeff Flake couldn't be more aptly named, he's the definition of a RINO against Trump since day 1

Isn't Trump a RINO?

 

[Sweet Jesus]

This is why I'm always suspicious of virtue signallers.

Like the evangelicals who support Trump?

 

[Sweet Jesus]

That only means no abuse to her though. In this day and age suspicion of abuse = at least temporarily step down from public roles.

Is this fair **** no. But it appears to have become the standard demanded.

Unless you're getting a lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court. Then it's full steam ahead.

 

[bourbons]

Good. So you now understand that the accreditation is supplied by a Standing Committee of fellow journalists and NOT by

as you posted earlier.

Now we've got that straight the system works like this: the committee of peers supplies the accreditation, not the White House.
Once a journo has his/her accreditation it is up to the white house to enable unescorted access to WH via the hard pass.
Ergo it is Jimmy's unescorted access that has been revoked not his press credentials or press pass.
(His press pass/credential is what he waves at people to introduce himself outside the WH.)

Glad this is cleared up. Well done.

Ha, knew it was too much to hope for.

Semantics, which is all you have left. The portion of the process governed by the peer committee is a part of the WH accreditation, not a separate accreditation. Note the article says a secret service background check is also required. "Also", meaning in addition to the other requirements as part of the overall process of accreditation.

Media outlets are using the terminology they are because it is easier and simpler than wading into the minutiae of what specific part of the accreditation, that the WH controls, has been cancelled - end result is the same, he can no longer enter the WH. As I said recently, this victim hood complex is truly something to behold.

Jimmy may well wave the laminated pass CNN have given him, but that pass has no standing. Might help to break the ice depending on the situation, but legally it does not allow access anywhere beyond what a member of the general public could expect.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Time to move on from Acosta, friends. The umpire has spoken, he is gone. CNN can provide a less douchey journo and it'll all be good!

Yeah, I'm not convinced. We need to speed up the footage to make it clearer. That's how it works, right?

 

[darrenmorgan]

Yes, this is so. For just about everything from the white house to sporting events and leagues. Source? I mean, it's common sense isn't it?

But ok

https://foreignpolicy.com/2010/06/07/can-the-white-house-revoke-a-reporters-credentials/

"To get accredited for the White House, a reporter first needs to be approved for a congressional press pass by the Standing Committee of Correspondents, elected by accredited reporters. Among other requirements, congressional reporters must demonstrate that they work for a publication whose "principal business is the daily dissemination of original news and opinion of interest to a broad segment of the public" and is "editorially independent of any institution, foundation or interest group that lobbies the federal government. The White House also requires an additional Secret Service background check."

Example of an application letter here -> http://washingtonnote.com/standard_letter/

Happy? Any chance you'll drop possibly the most ridiculous line of argument ever seen in this thread? Big call I know.

edit:

Not related to your question, but also noticed this from the first link and had a chuckle

"Because administrations generally don’t want to be seen as deciding who is or isn’t a qualified journalist, it’s unheard of for a reporter to be suspended for the quality of his or her reporting or behavior, though there are a few notable cases of reporters being barred for security reasons."

I really can’t believe you had to go to these lengths to explain this. This is some crazy arse internet right there..

 

[Maggie5]

I honestly don't care that much about the guy, there aren't enough details to draw conclusion as yet but he was arrested for something so there must be an accusation somewhere from someone. He's denied it so he'll get his due process, i just find it ironic that someone so outspoken about womens rights and protecting women is now accused as a wife beater.

It is unrelated to Trump unless the woman making the accusations works for the Trump organisation or the WH. But anyway, if you want to play this game...

You keep using the word 'wife beater' yet every article I have seen is described as 'domestic violence'.

Wife as Satan has pointed out denies it and and states that she has not known him to be violent.
If he is found guilty of charges then he will deserve what he gets.

Good to see that you are concerned about violence against women though.

Edit:
Avenatti has become a household name because of Trump's actions back then and Trump fans are quick to discredit him because the way he has played Trump at his own game.

 

[GuruJane]

I don't understand your argument. How would you characterise Acosta having his WH access suspended?

By saying that his "hard pass" giving him unescorted access to WH had been suspended.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

By saying that his "hard pass" giving him unescorted access to WH had been suspended.

OK. Is that materially different from saying his WH press access has been suspended?