Coach Chris Scott re-signs to 2022 (aka the Chris Scott discussion Part IV)

[fallout11]

Self explanatory, last thread was deleted for some reason...sick to death of this pri$k...yet another poor start and poor selection that cost us...

Thoughts

 

[Mr Meow]

If we by a miracle make it to the GF and win awesome, but if we have a CS led straight sets or prelim exit, surely, SURELY he must be sacked!?

In 2013 in the qf I thought it was close to a scackable
offence leaving Hawkins out...since then he has been pathetic, leave Stanley out against an AA Rickman, play a FB against him, losing finals in the 1st qtr, I know u might think this is a rant (and i don't care) but SURELY he has to go if we don't make the GF? It is unacceptable given our h+w record, ladder position to allow this to continue to occur.

Thoughts?

P.S. I'm happy to camp out at KP and demand he goes if the unthinkable occurs, who's with me?

I give him a 0.2% chance of doing this but getting us to a GF this year is his only shot at keeping supporters inside. Beating West Coast and losing to Richmond by a point in a prelim still wouldn't cut it, because of the nature of this loss from top spot (sh*t the bed early and fail to pull it back).

 

[son of meto]

Definition of a professional AFL coach:

someone who can - by way of media savvy and painting the club board into a corner - can stay on 3 years (minimum) after it would have been sensible to move him on.

Ross Lyon is King. Anyone else we know?

Nice...Ross and 'unsaid other' seem to have similar games plans too.

 

[son of meto]

Who are the four muppets?

 

[frggr]

Thanks for saving me a seat, guys, sorry I'm a few years late.

 

[Partridge]

Thanks for saving me a seat, guys, sorry I'm a few years late.

Welcome.

 

[fallout11]

Eviscerate Chris Scott from this club...simple

 

[God Mode]

Has to walk. Unless by some miracle we win the next 2 games.

 

[Mad_Hatter]

He had his last chance and he blew it.
It finished when he pick Stanley "due to weather conditions" on a night that not a drop of rain was had.
Get rid of him and take Cook and Carter aswell.

 

[fallout11]

No chance he will walk from a $500k + job unless sacked...

No GF...No CS nxt year

 

[TheWoodenSlug]

The final straw for me. More outsmarting himself with selection and another pathetic start in a final. The buck(ley) stops with him.

 

[Cataholic]

I'm done, club isn't getting a single dollar from me until he is gone

7 bloody finals series in a row we've seen the same meek predictable s**t, the message either isn't getting through, or is wrong.
Time to move on while we have a chance at success

Yep, tonight's showing has broken me too.

You can only accept the same garbage so many times. The hesitant, sideways style of play we employ is rubbish. And our skills are worse.

 

[Gogeelong]

Please sack him. He has trained a defensive, slow rabble that can not handle pressure and will go out in straight sets for the umpteenth time.

 

[zb14]

Must be time for a contract extension!

Whoa, not so fast champ!

First we need Cookie Monster to conduct another “health check”.

In all seriousness though, I used to be sooo invested in the Cats. Forked out for premium memberships for a decade plus, upgraded seats at away games, watched every min of every footy show. Hardcore. I ended up ditching the membership post 2017. This is actually the first time in goodness knows that I’m actually even posting on here, even logged in to be honest. Anyways, I can honestly say Chris Scott is the single biggest reason (but not only) for extinguishing the flame that once burned for the Cats. His brand of footy is shit to watch, has been for years, he treats supporters in a condescending manner with his “its too hard to explain to the lay supporter” nonsense. Quite frankly, I find him an arrogant, condescending smartest guy in the room prick. But that is my subjective opinion.

What isn’t subjective is his finals record. In the end, I found that life can actually be much happier when your less engaged. I suspect some will head down this path shortly in a similar manner. For others, I understand the passion is too hard to break. My point is, footy can actually seem a lot more important than it really is. Don’t waste too much emotion on something that agitates you more than gives you enjoyment. If you are at that point, it’s not healthy. There are plenty of hobbies people could enjoy that they never discover because they waste time on other things. Don’t let footy control your emotions. Find other outlets to give you satisfaction.

What the Chris Scott era has given me is a wonderful appreciation for what the Bomber T era delivered. He is a man of many flaws Bomber, but what he had in abundance was passion. And it reflected in his team and the way they played. I firmly believe teams play in their coaches image, and we have today what we have today. Anyways, the Bomber era was also a different time in the sport, pre free agency, expansion, ultra PC craziness etc. I liked that time, but things change, and what was once ain’t returning, so I’ve mostly moved on... and life is great, even after a game like tonight.

 

[Cursed Cat]

I give him a 0.2% chance of doing this but getting us to a GF this year is his only shot at keeping supporters inside. Beating West Coast and losing to Richmond by a point in a prelim still wouldn't cut it, because of the nature of this loss from top spot (sh*t the bed early and fail to pull it back).

Well, Chris Scott did specifically mention that he thought we'd be a better team next year, so there's that ...

I think Scott himself knew the score from about halfway through the 2nd quarter tonight - the style of football he is imparting to our list is not standing up under Finals conditions. The denouement of this whole debacle will take place next week against a mature West Coast side.

IMO we need to hit the draft hard with our Tim Kelly picks and consolidate the next generation of Geelong footballers, who are an already surprisingly diverse and reasonable bunch considering the lack of genuine investment in youth over the past few years.

consider:

Ratugolea
Henry
O'Connor
Clark
Parfitt
Narkle
Miers

..if we hold onto our own 1st rounder for once this year, and keep hold of hopefully 2 Tim Kelly 1st rounders, then we've got a chance to build a fresh, unpredictable core of players, hopefully with a fresh coach and direction.

Maybe a Constable or an Okunbor might kick on, too.

The club really needs to develop a strategy for replacing Tom Hawkins, Joel Selwood and adding an AA-class ruckman in order to provide some real substance to a re-tooling/re-imagining/rebuild.

 

[Mr Meow]

Well, Chris Scott did specifically mention that he thought we'd be a better team next year, so there's that ...

I think Scott himself knew the score from about halfway through the 2nd quarter tonight - the style of football he is imparting to our list is not standing up under Finals conditions. The denouement of this whole debacle will take place next week against a mature West Coast side.

IMO we need to hit the draft hard with our Tim Kelly picks and consolidate the next generation of Geelong footballers, who are an already surprisingly diverse and reasonable bunch considering the lack of genuine investment in youth over the past few years.

consider:

Ratugolea
Henry
O'Connor
Clark
Parfitt
Narkle
Miers

..if we hold onto our own 1st rounder for once this year, and keep hold of hopefully 2 Tim Kelly 1st rounders, then we've got a chance to build a fresh, unpredictable core of players, hopefully with a fresh coach and direction.

Maybe a Constable or an Okunbor might kick on, too.

The club really needs to develop a strategy for replacing Tom Hawkins, Joel Selwood and adding an AA-class ruckman in order to provide some real substance to a re-tooling/re-imagining/rebuild.

Completely agree.

The Kelly situation has been a big win. Got us one last (failed) attempt at a flag with Gaz, Hawk and co for cheap. Now we can upgrade to two fresh first rounders.

I doubt the club do this but I would consider trading another 2 to 3 out that have solid currency. Duncan, Guthrie, Kolo, Menegola - a few of those could land some second or third rounders.

Ablett and Taylor retire this year. Hawkins and JS maybe next. Not sure if JS would go this year but it could be the best thing. Henderson can replace Taylor for a year but we do need to look for one big KPD long term.

Don't bring in any free agents or tradees above 25.

Constable and Narkle are ready for full years. Parfitt permanently midfield. Cockys last chance to see if his body will hold up. Danger leading them and maybe Dahl gets moved up there as another more senior player as his forward capacity is limited.

Time to give Krueger a red hot go. How about Stanley for a full couple of years too instead of in and out. Draft a ruckman and Hawkins replacement in the mean time. That and a prolific mid are the priorities with first round picks.

Turn over some of the assistant coaches right away as I doubt Scott is going anywhere. But with the above changes, a new head coach guiding them in 2021 is our best hope.

Time to move on and refresh.

 

[Jimmy Yamazaki]

Who are the four muppets?
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Just click on votes and you'll see the names.

 

[Cursed Cat]

Completely agree.

The Kelly situation has been a big win. Got us one last (failed) attempt at a flag with Gaz, Hawk and co for cheap. Now we can upgrade to two fresh first rounders.

I doubt the club do this but I would consider trading another 2 to 3 out that have solid currency. Duncan, Guthrie, Kolo, Menegola - a few of those could land some second or third rounders.

Ablett and Taylor retire this year. Hawkins and JS maybe next. Not sure if JS would go this year but it could be the best thing. Henderson can replace Taylor for a year but we do need to look for one big KPD long term.

Don't bring in any free agents or tradees above 25.

Constable and Narkle are ready for full years. Parfitt permanently midfield. Cockys last chance to see if his body will hold up. Danger leading them and maybe Dahl gets moved up there as another more senior player as his forward capacity is limited.

Time to give Krueger a red hot go. How about Stanley for a full couple of years too instead of in and out. Draft a ruckman and Hawkins replacement in the mean time. That and a prolific mid are the priorities with first round picks.

Turn over some of the assistant coaches right away as I doubt Scott is going anywhere. But with the above changes, a new head coach guiding them in 2021 is our best hope.

Time to move on and refresh.

Can't disagree with any of that; not sure of the currency of the players you nominated for trade = who knows; I was surprised when both Christensen and Caddy suddenly left in recent years (Hartman too) ...
I could handle seeing a Duncan or Kolo go; I've already endured the departures of the likes of Greg Williams, Bernard Toohey, David Bolton, Sean Denham, Stephen O'Reilly, Leigh Colbert etc ..

Time to skew younger, as you mentioned; save the pick dedicated to Jack Steven, great player though he has been for the Saints.

The tricky ones to get right are the ruck, the key forward and then that key midfielder or five ..

 

[Baudolino]

We haven't actually been eliminated from finals yet, so I'm not willing to put my name in the "Scott out" column just yet, however I will say tonight was a complete disgrace and if he doesn't pull a miracle out of the hat and make the Grand Final from here, I'll be against him staying on next year. It was the nature of the defeat almost as much as the defeat itself that discredits the case in favour of his tenure continuing.

 

[TEDDY24INC]

I’ve been a Scott apologist, but after the Stanley “omission” tonight, Scott is cooked in my books.. GF or bye bye

 

[volcboy]

Midway through the second quarter tonight, I thought 'my son is a bit quiet'. My 9 year old son, who has been a GFC member for 6 years and lives and breathes footy and the GFC. He sat through the embarrassment that was the Melbourne QF in 2018 and the Richmond QF in 2017. I looked over, and he was silently weeping, tears streaming down his face. I took a photo of him at that point.

Anyone have Chris Scott's email address? I want to send that photo to him to see what his rubbish, narcissistic self-interest does to people.

F*** you Chris Scott, you self-promoting snake oil salesman. You are full of s***, and more interested in your own supposed coaching prowess and coaching legacy. We are Geelong; we are meant to play the game 'as it should be played', not a safety first, watered down version of Ross Lyon and Paul Roos' defensive rubbish. Take some responsibility for your lack of coaching acumen. Stop self-promoting on AFL 360 and have the courage to step down.

We don't care if other coaches voted you 'The Most Difficult To Coach Against'. That is only because you try to be too clever and switch things up unnecessarily. Not only do opposition teams have no idea what we are going to do, neither do our own players.

Premiership teams are bold; they take the initiative, create new styles of play and challenge the rest of the competition to beat them. You recycle tired, old defensive schemes that win lots of game in the H&A, but fall down in finals. You have nothing more to give our club - move on please.

Oh, and apologise to my son while you're at it, for having to sit through the tripe your game plan has served up over the past eight years.

 

[Seeds]

The person who signed up Scott to this 3 year deal needs to be sacked immediately? Who was it?

 

[Stocks_go_Up]

The person who signed up Scott to this 3 year deal needs to be sacked immediately? Who was it?

I and a few others called it a terrible terrible mistake and look how its playing out. There was NO reason to sign him before finals - the Melbourne slamming should have been a big enough wake up call to move him on. The guy believes his own BS and simply refuses to adapt and change the way the team plays. We fall to absolute shit in finals - 30 something points in 3/4 of football ffs... His zone is the worst I have seen as well - think's his shit doesn't stink.

 

[Nickoo]

Willing to concede in relation to the context of Scott's response, Nankervis Bros; however even if invited to speculate as to the health of the list in 2020 I still wasn't particularly comfortable with his response - sounded suspiciously like a rationalisation to me; not very on-script for an AFL coach to be looking beyond 'this week', particularly when there is a final to be played - and to be looking as far ahead as next year is quite an unusual bit of forecasting at this time of year.

The bit about 'being in the moment' rang particularly hollow given CS already has an eye on the team's prospects in 2020.

Still; you are right that perhaps he was cornered into his response by an unusually cunning journalist.

As to comparing reactions if Buckley had said the same thing; personally I barely pay any attention to what an opposition coach says so it is moot (to me) really - the words of the head coach of the club I support is all I really care about, and if I'd heard Buckley speculating as to his team's improvement in 2020 I'm not even sure how I'd react.

I'm not particularly strident on this matter, but the quotes did give me pause.

Anyway; if we win on Friday who cares what was said in the lead-up, if we lose though the last thing I want to hear about from Chris Scott is how the club is in great shape for 2020 ..

That was very prescient.



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[Herne Hill Hammer]

Has to walk. Unless by some miracle we win the next 2 games.

3. If we make gf then pass mark has to be to win it.