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this is exactly what happenedI don’t think it was a gamble on Kemp falling at all. I think Carlton stuffed this badly. I think they had a blanket over 3-4 guys and Kemp was who was left.
To then move up to grab what’s his name?
I think they pulled the trigger on that hoping for De Koning and he went straight after. Let’s be honest they didn’t shift back up due to the fear of Philp going.
Carlton stuffed it big time in my opinion.
this is exactly what happened
With all due respect, why would we want another key backman?I don’t think it was a gamble on Kemp falling at all. I think Carlton stuffed this badly. I think they had a blanket over 3-4 guys and Kemp was who was left.
To then move up to grab what’s his name?
I think they pulled the trigger on that hoping for De Koning and he went straight after. Let’s be honest they didn’t shift back up due to the fear of Philp going.
Carlton stuffed it big time in my opinion.
They know what goes around will come around. That includes when you let other clubs academy players roll through without a bid, but they remember when you do.
With all due respect, why would we want another key backman?
Weitering, Marchbank, Plowman, Macreadie, Ben Silvagni, Liam Jones, Casboult are all at varying stages of their careers and all can play KPD. You can choose to rate them (or not) but why would we obtain another KPD when we already have 7 in a list of 45?
Okay, so 5 of a list of 45. The point still stands; how many KPDs does a team need, that 7 is not enough but 8 is just the right amount, and/or the drafts are such over the next three years that we cannot select any KPDs whatsoever between now and when both players retire?In three years when you expect a key tall to be coming into the AFL system I wouldn't be expecting Liam Jones or Levi Casboult to be AFL players.
You won't be playing a teenager as your key defender when you're hoping to play finals. You'll want someone who has a few years run up.Okay, so 5 of a list of 45. The point still stands; how many KPDs does a team need, that 7 is not enough but 8 is just the right amount, and/or the drafts are such over the next three years that we cannot select any KPDs whatsoever between now and when both players retire?
Marchbank, Weitering, Plowman, Macreadie. Silvagni is the only teenager in there at the moment.You won't be playing a teenager as your key defender when you're hoping to play finals. You'll want someone who has a few years run up.
You also won't want to be playing half backs in the key back role.
Marchbank, Weitering, Plowman, Macreadie. Silvagni is the only teenager in there at the moment.
I suppose you're referring to the hypothetical KPD we should've taken yesterday (because there aren't any KPDs left in the draft ) but you have again to answer the question. I'll ask it again: how many KPDs can or should a list of 45 carry before said list is unbalanced? Why is 7 not enough but 8 perfect to the point that trading down to pick up 2 midfielders of wildly different skillsets instead of picking a KPD 'stuffing it up big time'?
and/or the drafts are such over the next three years that we cannot select any KPDs whatsoever between now and when both players retire?
They know what goes around will come around. That includes when you let other clubs academy players roll through without a bid, but they remember when you do.
With all due respect, why would we want another key backman?
Weitering, Marchbank, Plowman, Macreadie, Ben Silvagni, Liam Jones, Casboult are all at varying stages of their careers and all can play KPD. You can choose to rate them (or not) but why would we obtain another KPD when we already have 7 in a list of 45?
Genuine question. Those bids and subsequent pick swaps seemed like their Recruitment team were throwing the toys out of the cot. But why? I don’t recall any specific trade dealings with them recently that would have rubbed them up the wrong way.
Interested to hear from any Carlton lurkers as well, as to why they’d want to make enemies out of us and GWS??
The truth is we'll all never know if the bids were legit or gamesmenship. The fact that Flanders and Green were both still on the board does make it look like you went out of your way to disadvantage another team. I mean if you were always going to trade for the two later picks then why not just do that. No one had Henry rated ahead of Green and Flanders, and thats what seems suss. Next years draft is likely to be an embarrassment if teams start playing games to draw out bids from other teams, rather than make bids because they rate that player the best available at that pick.Marchbank, Weitering, Plowman, Macreadie. Silvagni is the only teenager in there at the moment.
I suppose you're referring to the hypothetical KPD we should've taken yesterday (because there aren't any KPDs left in the draft ) but you have again to answer the question. I'll ask it again: how many KPDs can or should a list of 45 carry before said list is unbalanced? Why is 7 not enough but 8 perfect to the point that trading down to pick up 2 midfielders of wildly different skillsets instead of picking a KPD is 'stuffing it up big time'?
Not really. Both of those bids were at or after where the player was expected to go. They were genuine bids for players as the system is designed for. If the Henry bid was legit then geez teams rated Flanders and Green lower than rumoured.Not necessarily. GWS were the Carlton of last year, bidding on Blakey and Quaynor. Sydney didn't repay the favour.