Politics Climate Change Paradox (cont in part 2)

[Snake_Baker]

Article contains some interesting information of how ocean temperatures are measured:

2019 Was a Record Year for Ocean Temperatures, Data Show (Published 2020)

A new analysis found 2019 was the hottest for the world’s oceans. The five hottest years have also been in the past five years.

www.nytimes.com

FWIW world navies still launch bathythermographs on a regular basis for their own localised measurements.

Do you actually believe that they can measure 517,000,000 cubic kilometers of ocean at +/- 0.003C accuracy?

C'mon now mate.

 

[Mofra]

Do you actually believe that they can measure 517,000,000 cubic kilometers of ocean at +/- 0.003C accuracy?

C'mon now mate.

I find the attempts to understand the ocean interesting (putting on my first year uni oceanography hat). It's an incredibly difficult and complex system to try and measure though. If measurements are being conducted the same way in the same locations they can start to form some semblance of a picture over years of study on at least a localised basis.

 

[its free real estate]

BTW, you will find the engineers in between the biologists and psychologists. They're on the ladder, but they're basically the lawn mowers.

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Engineers are to the right of the mathematicians, dummy.

 

[its free real estate]

Lmao at saying someone like Claude Shannon or Harry Nyquist exists on a scale of rigour between biologists and sociologists. Just pure cretinism.

 

[Lethality]

Try living without them.

I think we can keep trees alive without trashing the environment. They do fine at about 350ppm.

 

[Corpuscles]

Other than renewables what else do you think we should be doing?

1. Eliminate the mass hysteria and the politicisation out of the "debate"
2. Strong leadership and a clear education and an information campaign to educate all that nothing can realistically be achieved in the short term, and address or disarm the exaggerated falsehoods of impending doom and extinction. However, require a clear statement of the Government (or better, separate specialist non political Utility body given economic parameters constraints in which to abide and offer limit ) plans to address CC in the long term 5 , 10, 20, 30 year objectives.
3.Eductate all CC activist warriors that reduction cannot occur unless there is a corresponding decrease in consumption levels and standard of living, until better alternatives are invented and proven.
4. Reduce funding by at least half ( I think reduce to 25%) to all the Climate change scientists and redirect funds to cleaner sustainable energy research.
5. For all Western nations to unite and understand the covert economic and strategic war China is engaged in and the infiltration and propaganda campaign it is waging against the rest of the world.
6. Australia to introduce a border adjustment tax. Any company moving funds or profits overseas is taxed on funds transfer This applies equally to all whether US (eg google or apple) as well as Chinese (all othr nations) also capture tax on many deemed luxury imports.
7. Royal Commission into water allocation and mismanagement in Australia with jail sentences imposed for any corruption discovered.
8. Independent thorough mandatory annual independent audit of all political organisation expenditure including sideline activist groups. Ban and penalise any foreign donations/bribes and corruption received. All politicians required to lodge clear annual statement of personal wealth acquisition publicly available information
9. Major infrastructure projects to make business and agriculture more efficient (especially involving water)
10. Introduce a loony Climate Change activist tax. If you want to whinge about the perils of Climate Change then pay for that right! All funds directed exclusively to research. This ought be progressive the richer and more powerful (eg Nicole and Keith) the more you pay ! A dollar figure for every comment on social media. All protesters are charged for the right to do so for the investment CC fighting fund. So that hypocritical people realise there is a personal sacrifice that must be made to achieve their demands.


You suggested

"Here are some things I think we can sensibly and responsibly do. No one is suggesting throwing it all in and going back to caveman days.

We could take some understandings from Shadows of Consumption, to help understand some of the impacts we are having on others globally.
We should look to reduce the coal we export that gets burnt off elsewhere and counts as others' emissions. This pushes us up to about 4% of global emissions and in the top 6 contributing to carbon emissions. We're like the drug cartels, exporting to poorer nations.
But aside from that, we are wealthy and educated enough to begin a shift towards "sustainable energy". And no, renewables are not the be all and end all. We could be assisting poorer nations with this.
It's not just about coal, we should be looking at transport solutions also.
And efficiencies in agriculture.
Our governments should also be investing in NETs.
There's a lot of money to be made from this wave of social change. It's coming. You can't stop it. Just a shame conservatives are holding us back and stopping us from being leaders globally and benefiting both socially and financially."

I have not read Shadows of Consumption but from the abstract at least you are aware of the ramifications implications on the individual so thumbs up for that part.

 

[douglyzia]

And how does that constitute 'exploitation' and 'child abuse' (as per the post I was responding to), considering many celebrities also have social media managers?

I would think that denying your child a proper education so she can serve as the face of your hysterical proclamation that climate change will end the world as we know it would constitute child abuse.

And the point is that Svante Thunberg believes his climate change message will be more palatable if it was made under the guise of a 16-year old girl with pigtails. Because, let's face it, if he was to try pushing the message as himself, he'd just be dismissed as another mansplaining cis white male.

Do you not even feel any level of resentment for being emotionally manipulated like that?

Very impressive with the diversion though.

1. That's a lie. Where's the evidence?!?!!
2. Oh ... uhh ... I mean ... that's not ... err ... child abuse ... like ... her dad is just her ... uhh ... media manger. Yes! Her media manager!

Like, I said. Everything leftists believe in is a lie. From Russian "not in my purview" collusion to Jussie Smollett to the Convington kids to Greta Thunberg.

 

[Mofra]

The point is that Svante Thunberg believes his climate change message will be more palatable if it was made under the guise of a 16-year old girl with pigtails. Because, let's face it, if he was to try pushing the message as himself, he'd just be dismissed as another mansplaining cis white male.

Do you not even feel any level of resentment for being emotionally manipulated like that?

Very impressive with the diversion though.

1. That's a lie. Where's the evidence?!?!!
2. Oh ... uhh ... I mean ... that's not ... err ... child abuse ... like ... her dad is just her ... uhh ... media manger. Yes! Her media manager!

Like, I said. Everything leftists believe in is a lie. From Russian "not in my purview" collusion to Jussie Smollett to the Convington kids to Greta Thunberg.

I am addressing the point in the post I originally referred to.
I even posted an interview in which Greta spent years convincing her father on the merits of acting, not the other way around which seems to be your belief despite all evidence to the contrary.
If you make a claim, it is up to you to substantiate it.

 

[douglyzia]

I even posted an interview in which Greta spent years convincing her father on the merits of acting

How is this supposed to prove anything? Are you sure Svante didn't write the "script" for this interview?

 

[douglyzia]

But whatever. You believe whatever you want to believe. If you want to believe the world will end, and traumatize your kids while doing so, go ahead.

Just like you believed in Russian collusion.

Just like you believed Jussie Smollett was attacked by Trump supporters.

Just like you believed the Covington Kids were being racist.

Just like you believe Trump is a white supremacist.

 

[Mofra]

But whatever. You believe whatever you want to believe. If you want to believe the world will end, and traumatize your kids while doing so, go ahead.

Just like you believed in Russian collusion.

Just like you believed Jussie Smollett was attacked by Trump supporters.

Just like you believed the Covington Kids were being racist.

Just like you believe Trump is a white supremacist.

Projecting and ranting is not the same as a discussion. Are you ok?

 

[douglyzia]

Svante! Help me!!!!

 

[Mofra]

This might help a few people here who are showing signs of being seriously upset.

Why is Greta Thunberg so triggering for certain men?

Articles of 2019: How can a 16-year-old girl in plaits inspire such rage?

www.irishtimes.com

Why is Greta Thunberg so triggering? How can a 16-year-old girl in plaits, who has dedicated herself to the not-exactly sinister, authoritarian plot of trying to save the planet from extinction, inspire such incandescent rage?

But who’s the real freak – the activist whose determination has single-handedly started a powerful global movement for change, or the middle-aged man taunting a child with Asperger syndrome from behind the safety of their computer screens?

And that, of course, is the real reason why Greta Thunberg is so triggering. They can’t admit it even to themselves, so they ridicule her instead. But the truth is that they’re afraid of her. The poor dears are terrified of her as an individual, and of what she stands for – youth, determination, change.

 

[DapperJong]

Hyperbole is ok UNLESS YOU ARE A 12 YEAR OLD GIRL!!!!!11111

 

[Deliverance]

Yeah, I'd much rather have this guy tell me what to think.

 

[DapperJong]

 

[Corpuscles]

I am addressing the point in the post I originally referred to.
I even posted an interview in which Greta spent years convincing her father on the merits of acting, not the other way around which seems to be your belief despite all evidence to the contrary.
If you make a claim, it is up to you to substantiate it.

You are correct.
However, you seemed to miss the fact that Svante was an pretty much unknown human rights activist right throughout her childhood, before her loony turn.

I do not think you have children? At least not any intended ones (BUT none of my business )

Pick an event around when you were 15 eg 9/11 - subsequent war???

Would your parents have allowed (passively) you at 15 to leave school, refuse to talk, constant depression , refuse to eat any Maccas or Coca Cola or have anything to do even touch with any USA item, and sit outside parliament protesting (eg Iraq war etc!)
Would they give up their job and not send you for medical assistance?

If you happened to be (say funny /entertaining about it!) gained celebrity, would your parents be riding on your income earning ability from your celebrity obsession and become your campaign manager because you finally "convinced " them (Example only that USA is evil) and that gave them opportunity to voice their own separate loonie ideas?

If , that was your parents reaction, do you think that is acceptable rational and sane behaviour?

 

[DapperJong]

ctrl+B hey?

Compelling argument

 

[Deaneus!]

Love it

 

[Deaneus!]

ctrl+B hey?

Compelling argument

Wait for the Ctrl + I

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I do not think you have children? At least not any intended ones (BUT none of my business )

Are you ok?

 

[Nuggs Bunny]

Greta Thunberg strikes again! This topical discussion is an excellent reminder of who is really about the science and who is really about the politics.

 

[DapperJong]

Wait for the Ctrl + I

Then you do the super COMBO

 

[Deaneus!]

Then you do the super COMBO

Demosthenes eat your heart out

 

[Mofra]

You are correct.
However, you seemed to miss the fact that Svante was an pretty much unknown human rights activist right throughout her childhood, before her loony turn.

What do you mean by 'loony' turn?
I don't have a special needs child so it's difficult to comment on your hypothetical. I'd imagine I'd want to help my child as much as possible, noting:

Thunberg says she first heard about climate change in 2011, when she was 8 years old, and could not understand why so little was being done about it.[22] The situation made her depressed. She stopped talking and eating and lost ten kilograms (22 lb) in two months.[23] Eventually, she was diagnosed with Asperger syndrome, obsessive–compulsive disorder (OCD), and selective mutism.[22] Her Asperger diagnosis was made public nationwide in Sweden by her mother in May 2015, in order to help other families in a similar situation, as she said.[24] While acknowledging that her diagnosis "has limited me before", she does not view her Asperger's as an illness and has instead called it her "superpower".[25]

For about two years, Thunberg challenged her parents to lower the family's carbon footprint and overall impact on the environment by becoming vegan, upcycling, and giving up flying.[18][26] She has said she tried showing them graphs and data, but when that didn't work, she warned her family that they were stealing her future.[27] Giving up flying in part meant her mother had to give up her international career as an opera singer.[28]

When she started protesting, her parents did not support her activism. Interviewed by the BBC in December 2019, her father said his wife stopped flying to try and 'save' their daughter rather than the climate. He added: "To be honest, (her mother) didn't do it save the climate. She did it to save her child because she saw how much it meant to her, and then, when she did that, she saw how much (Greta) grew from that, how much energy she got from it."[29] Thunberg credits her parents' eventual response and lifestyle changes with giving her hope and belief that she could make a difference.[18] The family story is recounted in the 2018 book Scenes from the Heart.[30]