News Adelaide Crows Camp Allegations and Rumors

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This is a must read.

Damning, and incredibly accurate.

Shows once again that the AFC Executive have made decisions in their own interest, before the Club. There is zero reason why we should have sold control of our Club in return for the license.

The AFL review of the Collective Minds sh*t was clearly a fraud - many of us said it at the time; the investigation was never going to slam the Crows, as it would slam the AFL by association. Effectively review yourself, and then use the result of that review to show everybody that it wasn't a problem - what a complete and utter load of sh*t.

The AFC executive would not be there in a real corporate environment, it is an absolute disgrace that Chapman, Fagan, Riccuito remain after the debacles of the last decade - and the mere mention of Trigg is sickening.

Griffin might be the best chance to force change - it might be worth a mass email campaign to back him in and give him the encouragement to keep going after them.

Does anyone recall the AFL's 'independent' judiciary of the Essendon doping scandal? ASADA had to appeal to get the right verdict. The AFL manufactured the sacrifices from the get go to keep the players on the field.
 
Does anyone recall the AFL's 'independent' judiciary of the Essendon doping scandal? ASADA had to appeal to get the right verdict. The AFL manufactured the sacrifices from the get go to keep the players on the field.
No, I don't think anyone will because it didn't happen like that.

AFL sanctified the club within its rules, ASADA within its rules.

AFL bringing the game into disrepute, ASADA for being drug cheats.

The AFL could have publicly executed all players, ASADA would still have done its thing.
 
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No, I don't think anyone will because it didn't happen like that.

AFL sanctified the club within its rules, ASADA within its rules.

AFL bringing the game into disrepute, ASADA for being drug cheats.

The AFL could have publicly executed all players, ASADA would still have done its thing.

No, ASADA only got involved due to the AFL's judiciary's failure to get close to the right answer. Had the AFL not manufactured their result, there'd have been no need for WADA to get involved. The AFL had an obligation under its ASADA agreement to attempt to get his right. The AFL process was meant to punish the players if found guilty. It did not do that, so ASADA handballed to WADA.

 
No, ASADA only got involved due to the AFL's judiciary's failure to get close to the right answer. Had the AFL not manufactured their result, there'd have been no need for WADA to get involved. The AFL had an obligation under its ASADA agreement to attempt to get his right. The AFL process was meant to punish the players if found guilty. It did not do that, so ASADA handballed to WADA.

That is a statement saying ASADA won't appeal WADA.

Of course they won't
 
That is a statement saying ASADA won't appeal WADA.

Of course they won't

No, ASADA had grounds to appeal to the AFL's system but realised its a rigged game and as they had no rights via CAS, they just handballed to their governing body. What you have wrong is that the AFL process wasn't about the players, it was. They found the players not guilty. ASADA could have appealed via the AFL mechanism, but chose not to. Had the AFL arrived at the correct result, WADA would never have been involved.
 
I am not sure we will ever hear the facts. The contractual terms around sacking that wonderful external group of allegedly pseudo shrinks and associated non disclosure agreements would open a legal can of worms. While I want the AFC to clear the air, it won’t happen in the same way the Tippett resolution will never really be known.
 
No, ASADA had grounds to appeal to the AFL's system but realised its a rigged game and as they had no rights via CAS, they just handballed to their governing body. What you have wrong is that the AFL process wasn't about the players, it was. They found the players not guilty. ASADA could have appealed via the AFL mechanism, but chose not to. Had the AFL arrived at the correct result, WADA would never have been involved.
Yeah, sorry I misread that.

So maybe they did see it a kangaroo court, but that wasn't going to stop WADA from stepping in, which he explicitly states,

But re reading that case, holy shit what a debacle, Stephen Dank was.
 

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Speculation in tomorrow's paper that WorkSafe SA will launch an investigation. Sounds like pure speculation at this point, but it makes for a good article.

SafeWork SA is poised to probe the notorious pre-season camp that caused fractures within the Adelaide Crows
South Australia’s workplace regulator is poised to investigate the Adelaide Crows’ notorious 2018 Gold Coast pre-season camp.
Paul Starick, Chief Reporter, The Advertiser

July 21, 2020 4:22pm
Workplace regulator SafeWork SA is poised to launch an investigation into the Adelaide Football Club’s infamous 2018 pre-season training camp, raising the potential for prosecutions, a fine and safety order.

An official investigation would focus on “safe systems of work” at the Gold Coast camp, about which Premier Steven Marshall expressed “genuine concerns” following reports of players being put through traumatic activities aimed at building resilience.
The SA workplace health and safety regulator’s role does not extend to Queensland but its jurisdiction may extend to work activities conducted there by the Adelaide-based AFL club.
Responding to reports about Crows players at the camp being told to hurl abuse at a teammate about a childhood trauma, Mr Marshall on July 6 said “everybody who goes to any work environment should be safe from bullying or intimidation” and vowed to check whether the Crows were subject to SafeWork SA legislation.
The camp is widely believed to have played a key role in triggering the club’s collapse from 2017 grand finalists to their current dire position – winless on the foot of the AFL ladder.
Adelaide Crows players walk from the ground during the round 7 match against St Kilda at Adelaide Oval on Monday night. Picture: Daniel Kalisz/Getty Images
Adelaide Crows players walk from the ground during the round 7 match against St Kilda at Adelaide Oval on Monday night. Picture: Daniel Kalisz/Getty Images
Asked on Tuesday about the status of any inquiry by SafeWork SA into the Crows, a spokeswoman for the regulator responded with a written statement.
“No notifications or complaints against the Adelaide Football Club in relation to their pre-season camp in 2018 have been received by SafeWork SA. SafeWork SA is looking into the matter and no further information can be shared at this stage,” the statement says.
“SafeWork SA does not have jurisdiction over Queensland businesses, however, where South Australian businesses operate interstate, we may have jurisdiction over activities relating to safe systems of work.”
According to SafeWork SA’s website, the regulator’s compliance and enforcement activities, in general, may lead to prosecutions being filed in the SA Employment Tribunal and the Magistrates Court, or an enforceable undertaking or expiation notice being issued.

News Corp last week revealed serious doubts had been raised over the independence of the AFL probe into the camp, which cleared the club of wrongdoing, despite revelations of disturbing mental, physical and cultural abuse.
It was revealed seven of the nine Crows’ directors were appointed by the AFL and that the league had sole voting rights of all matters at annual general meetings other than the election of the two remaining board members.
Former Crows coach Don Pyke has said Crows chiefs need to address the notorious four-day camp “once and for all”, arguing the club needed to explain the “context” around some of the activities.
“It’s probably disappointing it’s continuing to be … discussed. I mean clearly, the club’s viewpoint is that they want to move on,” Mr Pyke told ABC radio, following the fresh News Corp investigation into the saga.
“I think it’s probably a conversation that’s due with the club about, well, how they want to address this once and for all.”
Top Adelaide lawyer Greg Griffin has said the AFL made a “serious error” in claiming its investigation into the Crows’ camp was independent, saying it controlled the board and, therefore, the club.
Flying as one? Crows players during the match against St Kilda on Monday night. Picture: Daniel Kalisz/Getty Images
Flying as one? Crows players during the match against St Kilda on Monday night. Picture: Daniel Kalisz/Getty Images
Under the terms of the Crows’ constitution – revised six years ago – the AFL took effective control of the Adelaide board and became the club’s ultimate authority.
The AFL integrity unit in 2018 cleared the Crows of any wrongdoing in the “cult-like” team-building camp and concluded that there had been “no breach of industry rules”.
 
SafeWork SA is poised to probe the notorious pre-season camp that caused fractures within the Adelaide Crows
South Australia’s workplace regulator is poised to investigate the Adelaide Crows’ notorious 2018 Gold Coast pre-season camp.
Paul Starick, Chief Reporter, The Advertiser

July 21, 2020 4:22pm
Workplace regulator SafeWork SA is poised to launch an investigation into the Adelaide Football Club’s infamous 2018 pre-season training camp, raising the potential for prosecutions, a fine and safety order.

An official investigation would focus on “safe systems of work” at the Gold Coast camp, about which Premier Steven Marshall expressed “genuine concerns” following reports of players being put through traumatic activities aimed at building resilience.
The SA workplace health and safety regulator’s role does not extend to Queensland but its jurisdiction may extend to work activities conducted there by the Adelaide-based AFL club.
Responding to reports about Crows players at the camp being told to hurl abuse at a teammate about a childhood trauma, Mr Marshall on July 6 said “everybody who goes to any work environment should be safe from bullying or intimidation” and vowed to check whether the Crows were subject to SafeWork SA legislation.
The camp is widely believed to have played a key role in triggering the club’s collapse from 2017 grand finalists to their current dire position – winless on the foot of the AFL ladder.
Adelaide Crows players walk from the ground during the round 7 match against St Kilda at Adelaide Oval on Monday night. Picture: Daniel Kalisz/Getty Images
Adelaide Crows players walk from the ground during the round 7 match against St Kilda at Adelaide Oval on Monday night. Picture: Daniel Kalisz/Getty Images
Asked on Tuesday about the status of any inquiry by SafeWork SA into the Crows, a spokeswoman for the regulator responded with a written statement.
“No notifications or complaints against the Adelaide Football Club in relation to their pre-season camp in 2018 have been received by SafeWork SA. SafeWork SA is looking into the matter and no further information can be shared at this stage,” the statement says.
“SafeWork SA does not have jurisdiction over Queensland businesses, however, where South Australian businesses operate interstate, we may have jurisdiction over activities relating to safe systems of work.”
According to SafeWork SA’s website, the regulator’s compliance and enforcement activities, in general, may lead to prosecutions being filed in the SA Employment Tribunal and the Magistrates Court, or an enforceable undertaking or expiation notice being issued.

News Corp last week revealed serious doubts had been raised over the independence of the AFL probe into the camp, which cleared the club of wrongdoing, despite revelations of disturbing mental, physical and cultural abuse.
It was revealed seven of the nine Crows’ directors were appointed by the AFL and that the league had sole voting rights of all matters at annual general meetings other than the election of the two remaining board members.
Former Crows coach Don Pyke has said Crows chiefs need to address the notorious four-day camp “once and for all”, arguing the club needed to explain the “context” around some of the activities.
“It’s probably disappointing it’s continuing to be … discussed. I mean clearly, the club’s viewpoint is that they want to move on,” Mr Pyke told ABC radio, following the fresh News Corp investigation into the saga.
“I think it’s probably a conversation that’s due with the club about, well, how they want to address this once and for all.”
Top Adelaide lawyer Greg Griffin has said the AFL made a “serious error” in claiming its investigation into the Crows’ camp was independent, saying it controlled the board and, therefore, the club.
Flying as one? Crows players during the match against St Kilda on Monday night. Picture: Daniel Kalisz/Getty Images
Flying as one? Crows players during the match against St Kilda on Monday night. Picture: Daniel Kalisz/Getty Images
Under the terms of the Crows’ constitution – revised six years ago – the AFL took effective control of the Adelaide board and became the club’s ultimate authority.
The AFL integrity unit in 2018 cleared the Crows of any wrongdoing in the “cult-like” team-building camp and concluded that there had been “no breach of industry rules”.

Good.

Let’s have everyone have their go.

Surely if there was something really serious a player would have already commenced taken legal action by now. If you are still playing at the club, you couldn’t decide to take action later as you are still taking $$$ from the club now. And if you have left the club why would you delay any action, the longer it passes the recollections become less reliable. It makes no sense at all?
 
Good.

Let’s have everyone have their go.

Surely if there was something really serious a player would have already commenced taken legal action by now. If you are still playing at the club, you couldn’t decide to take action later as you are still taking $$$ from the club now. And if you have left the club why would you delay any action, the longer it passes the recollections become less reliable. It makes no sense at all?

You would think the findings of worksafe SA might be a tipping point one way or the other in determining if the club ends up having to pay out players who attended the camp.

This is very dangerous territory for the Crows. If Worksafe SA determine the club was negligent in meeting their duty of care, or contributed to psychological distress.they are a sitting duck in a legal sense.

If it heads down that track, you can bet the club will quickly find a way to settle to avoid lengthy legal proceedings. Payouts for psychological distress could be in the millions.

Players won't start legal proceedings until their careers are over, however it should be a given that the club will face legal action. Betts, Jacobs, McGovern are most likely.

Money talks, and you would think once they get smacked with a fine, and lawsuits the club will finally wake up to toxic culture that has existed there and take the action required to rebuild the club from the inside out.
 
SafeWork SA is poised to probe the notorious pre-season camp that caused fractures within the Adelaide Crows
South Australia’s workplace regulator is poised to investigate the Adelaide Crows’ notorious 2018 Gold Coast pre-season camp.
Paul Starick, Chief Reporter, The Advertiser

July 21, 2020 4:22pm
Workplace regulator SafeWork SA is poised to launch an investigation into the Adelaide Football Club’s infamous 2018 pre-season training camp, raising the potential for prosecutions, a fine and safety order.

An official investigation would focus on “safe systems of work” at the Gold Coast camp, about which Premier Steven Marshall expressed “genuine concerns” following reports of players being put through traumatic activities aimed at building resilience.
The SA workplace health and safety regulator’s role does not extend to Queensland but its jurisdiction may extend to work activities conducted there by the Adelaide-based AFL club.
Responding to reports about Crows players at the camp being told to hurl abuse at a teammate about a childhood trauma, Mr Marshall on July 6 said “everybody who goes to any work environment should be safe from bullying or intimidation” and vowed to check whether the Crows were subject to SafeWork SA legislation.
The camp is widely believed to have played a key role in triggering the club’s collapse from 2017 grand finalists to their current dire position – winless on the foot of the AFL ladder.
Adelaide Crows players walk from the ground during the round 7 match against St Kilda at Adelaide Oval on Monday night. Picture: Daniel Kalisz/Getty Images
Adelaide Crows players walk from the ground during the round 7 match against St Kilda at Adelaide Oval on Monday night. Picture: Daniel Kalisz/Getty Images
Asked on Tuesday about the status of any inquiry by SafeWork SA into the Crows, a spokeswoman for the regulator responded with a written statement.
“No notifications or complaints against the Adelaide Football Club in relation to their pre-season camp in 2018 have been received by SafeWork SA. SafeWork SA is looking into the matter and no further information can be shared at this stage,” the statement says.
“SafeWork SA does not have jurisdiction over Queensland businesses, however, where South Australian businesses operate interstate, we may have jurisdiction over activities relating to safe systems of work.”
According to SafeWork SA’s website, the regulator’s compliance and enforcement activities, in general, may lead to prosecutions being filed in the SA Employment Tribunal and the Magistrates Court, or an enforceable undertaking or expiation notice being issued.

News Corp last week revealed serious doubts had been raised over the independence of the AFL probe into the camp, which cleared the club of wrongdoing, despite revelations of disturbing mental, physical and cultural abuse.
It was revealed seven of the nine Crows’ directors were appointed by the AFL and that the league had sole voting rights of all matters at annual general meetings other than the election of the two remaining board members.
Former Crows coach Don Pyke has said Crows chiefs need to address the notorious four-day camp “once and for all”, arguing the club needed to explain the “context” around some of the activities.
“It’s probably disappointing it’s continuing to be … discussed. I mean clearly, the club’s viewpoint is that they want to move on,” Mr Pyke told ABC radio, following the fresh News Corp investigation into the saga.
“I think it’s probably a conversation that’s due with the club about, well, how they want to address this once and for all.”
Top Adelaide lawyer Greg Griffin has said the AFL made a “serious error” in claiming its investigation into the Crows’ camp was independent, saying it controlled the board and, therefore, the club.
Flying as one? Crows players during the match against St Kilda on Monday night. Picture: Daniel Kalisz/Getty Images
Flying as one? Crows players during the match against St Kilda on Monday night. Picture: Daniel Kalisz/Getty Images
Under the terms of the Crows’ constitution – revised six years ago – the AFL took effective control of the Adelaide board and became the club’s ultimate authority.
The AFL integrity unit in 2018 cleared the Crows of any wrongdoing in the “cult-like” team-building camp and concluded that there had been “no breach of industry rules”.
If SafeWork SA have time to look at this 2 years after the event and in the middle of a pandemic, the SA government needs to look at the head count in SafeWork SA. They obviously do not have enough work on hand.
 
SafeWork SA is poised to probe the notorious pre-season camp that caused fractures within the Adelaide Crows
South Australia’s workplace regulator is poised to investigate the Adelaide Crows’ notorious 2018 Gold Coast pre-season camp.
Paul Starick, Chief Reporter, The Advertiser

July 21, 2020 4:22pm
Workplace regulator SafeWork SA is poised to launch an investigation into the Adelaide Football Club’s infamous 2018 pre-season training camp, raising the potential for prosecutions, a fine and safety order.

An official investigation would focus on “safe systems of work” at the Gold Coast camp, about which Premier Steven Marshall expressed “genuine concerns” following reports of players being put through traumatic activities aimed at building resilience.
The SA workplace health and safety regulator’s role does not extend to Queensland but its jurisdiction may extend to work activities conducted there by the Adelaide-based AFL club.
Responding to reports about Crows players at the camp being told to hurl abuse at a teammate about a childhood trauma, Mr Marshall on July 6 said “everybody who goes to any work environment should be safe from bullying or intimidation” and vowed to check whether the Crows were subject to SafeWork SA legislation.
The camp is widely believed to have played a key role in triggering the club’s collapse from 2017 grand finalists to their current dire position – winless on the foot of the AFL ladder.
Adelaide Crows players walk from the ground during the round 7 match against St Kilda at Adelaide Oval on Monday night. Picture: Daniel Kalisz/Getty Images
Adelaide Crows players walk from the ground during the round 7 match against St Kilda at Adelaide Oval on Monday night. Picture: Daniel Kalisz/Getty Images
Asked on Tuesday about the status of any inquiry by SafeWork SA into the Crows, a spokeswoman for the regulator responded with a written statement.
“No notifications or complaints against the Adelaide Football Club in relation to their pre-season camp in 2018 have been received by SafeWork SA. SafeWork SA is looking into the matter and no further information can be shared at this stage,” the statement says.
“SafeWork SA does not have jurisdiction over Queensland businesses, however, where South Australian businesses operate interstate, we may have jurisdiction over activities relating to safe systems of work.”
According to SafeWork SA’s website, the regulator’s compliance and enforcement activities, in general, may lead to prosecutions being filed in the SA Employment Tribunal and the Magistrates Court, or an enforceable undertaking or expiation notice being issued.

News Corp last week revealed serious doubts had been raised over the independence of the AFL probe into the camp, which cleared the club of wrongdoing, despite revelations of disturbing mental, physical and cultural abuse.
It was revealed seven of the nine Crows’ directors were appointed by the AFL and that the league had sole voting rights of all matters at annual general meetings other than the election of the two remaining board members.
Former Crows coach Don Pyke has said Crows chiefs need to address the notorious four-day camp “once and for all”, arguing the club needed to explain the “context” around some of the activities.
“It’s probably disappointing it’s continuing to be … discussed. I mean clearly, the club’s viewpoint is that they want to move on,” Mr Pyke told ABC radio, following the fresh News Corp investigation into the saga.
“I think it’s probably a conversation that’s due with the club about, well, how they want to address this once and for all.”
Top Adelaide lawyer Greg Griffin has said the AFL made a “serious error” in claiming its investigation into the Crows’ camp was independent, saying it controlled the board and, therefore, the club.
Flying as one? Crows players during the match against St Kilda on Monday night. Picture: Daniel Kalisz/Getty Images
Flying as one? Crows players during the match against St Kilda on Monday night. Picture: Daniel Kalisz/Getty Images
Under the terms of the Crows’ constitution – revised six years ago – the AFL took effective control of the Adelaide board and became the club’s ultimate authority.
The AFL integrity unit in 2018 cleared the Crows of any wrongdoing in the “cult-like” team-building camp and concluded that there had been “no breach of industry rules”.


Not enough cases for Safework SA obviously.
 
Good.

Let’s have everyone have their go.

Surely if there was something really serious a player would have already commenced taken legal action by now. If you are still playing at the club, you couldn’t decide to take action later as you are still taking $$$ from the club now. And if you have left the club why would you delay any action, the longer it passes the recollections become less reliable. It makes no sense at all?

Is that your learned opinion from your career in banking?
 
You would think the findings of worksafe SA might be a tipping point one way or the other in determining if the club ends up having to pay out players who attended the camp.

This is very dangerous territory for the Crows. If Worksafe SA determine the club was negligent in meeting their duty of care, or contributed to psychological distress.they are a sitting duck in a legal sense.

If it heads down that track, you can bet the club will quickly find a way to settle to avoid lengthy legal proceedings. Payouts for psychological distress could be in the millions.

Players won't start legal proceedings until their careers are over, however it should be a given that the club will face legal action. Betts, Jacobs, McGovern are most likely.

Money talks, and you would think once they get smacked with a fine, and lawsuits the club will finally wake up to toxic culture that has existed there and take the action required to rebuild the club from the inside out.
McGovern did not go to the worst parts of the camp and it’s not the reason he left, ignore whatever shit his manager sprouted. Betts and Sauce wouldn’t be a surprise though.
 
McGovern did not go to the worst parts of the camp and it’s not the reason he left, ignore whatever sh*t his manager sprouted. Betts and Sauce wouldn’t be a surprise though.
Didn't both want two year contracts from us and a guarantee to play in the firsts?
 

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