Roast Tyson Stengle sacked after ****ing up again

[Mutineer]

INTERVIEW: Adam Kelly - 17 March 2021

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[King Elvis]

So... pretty much the only thing I got wrong, way back earlier in the thread, was that he would be allowed to play SANFL - whereas I said he'd only be allowed to play ammos (because I didn't think they'd want him playing against a Crows team). I think there are a few people who owe me apologies...

Sorry that you were almost right.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Stengle departs Crows

Both parties have now agreed to a settlement

www.afc.com.au

Sacked

As predicted by many yonks ago.

 

[Murray2503]

Interesting.

I don't blame Stengle rejecting it. It was a ridiculous offer which they wanted him to reject. They wanted him to stay on the list for 2021 and 2022 but not come to the club in 2021. No idea.

Good luck at your next club Tyson.

 

[Mutineer]

I don't blame Stengle rejecting it. It was a ridiculous offer which they wanted him to reject. They wanted him to stay on the list for 2021 and 2022 but not come to the club for 2021. No idea.

Really?

I think under the circumstances it's a quite generous offer, keep your nose clean for 12 months and you'll be re-instated.

Meaning we couldn't replace him on the list, now if so desired we have the option of selecting a player in the mid season draft according to Adam Kelly.

 

[Concussion test]

For those who prefer facts: Anybody who predicted he would be sacked got it completely wrong.

 

[Ozzie]

I may know some of them. I used to work for AN back before it was all privatised. Passenger attendant on the Ghan, Indian Pacific & Overland.

The 3 on the drugs were caught on the railcars. The others were 4 in the freights and the other 2 IIRC were on loan to the railcars. I got booted in 2000 due to health issues so it's a long time ago now. Caught up with 1 of young ones about a decade ago. He was back working in trade as a french polisher and hating it. Said it was pure stupidity on his part because he knew the rules. I can't remember the names of the 2 in the siding but they were based at Mile End. Had been warned over and over.

 

[spenze]

Sorry that you were almost right.

That post will never be liked enough in my book

 

[Shaz2012]

Wish him the best. Sincerely. Can’t fault us for giving up a 3rd for him and having a crack. Can’t fault us for terminating him given way things turned out. Such is life... ironically enough I always think of Cousins when that saying comes to mind. But hopefully Tyson has a good life after footy.

 

[MRB37]

So Kelly on 5AA said they had agreed with Stengle on a framework on what he had to do off-field, but he wouldn't agree to the year in the SANFL. Sounds like he thought he should do his 4 week suspension and then have it go back to normal and be eligible for selection while the club wanted to see a longer term commitment from him to give him back those rights.

 

[1990crow]

So Kelly on 5AA said they had agreed with Stengle on a framework on what he had to do off-field, but he wouldn't agree to the year in the SANFL. Sounds like he thought he should do his 4 week suspension and then have it go back to normal and be eligible for selection while the club wanted to see a longer term commitment from him to give him back those rights.

Sounds like he's someone who isn't truly committed to playing AFL. Glad he's gone.

 

[Geoffa32]

He will be playing in the Ammos by 2023.

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[hey shorty]

So... pretty much the only thing I got wrong, way back earlier in the thread, was that he would be allowed to play SANFL - whereas I said he'd only be allowed to play ammos (because I didn't think they'd want him playing against a Crows team). I think there are a few people who owe me apologies...

Ummm..... Nah not quite.

 

[Vader]

Have we actually "terminated his Standard Playing Contract for cause" with the settlement? Which would mean clause (c) comes into effect.


(c) Each Club must immediately delist a Player who has terminated his Standard Playing Contract for cause.

I'm thinking not, given that it was a negotiated exit. Clause c) has a distinctly unilateral feel to it. At the end of the day, we're just guessing.

 

[Bearded Clam]

If I was to guess just like everyone else in here. Id say he’d be getting payed out 100% of his contract... a cent less and he’d have every right to take the club to court. He has 1 drink driving strike against his name and 1 recreational drug strike. The other recreational drug use “strike” is even mentioned on the AFL site as “purportedly”.. in other words, its unproven and would get thrown out of court if it came to it.

So officially he has two strikes against his name yet the club, rightly or wrongly depending on personal opinion, wanted him gone or wanted him to serve a year long ban.

They couldnt just rip up his contract and send him packing because his employers (AFL) own recreational drug policy states he gets three strikes.

I’d say the club (and effectively the AFL) will be paying him out his full contract entitlement..

What I want to know is whether it has to be counted in the salary cap for the next two years..

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

So Kelly on 5AA said they had agreed with Stengle on a framework on what he had to do off-field, but he wouldn't agree to the year in the SANFL. Sounds like he thought he should do his 4 week suspension and then have it go back to normal and be eligible for selection while the club wanted to see a longer term commitment from him to give him back those rights.

A year in the SANFL?

Has any club done something like that and retained the player afterwards? Were we following a proven track record with this penalty?

 

[hey shorty]

If I was to guess just like everyone else in here. Id say he’d be getting payed out 100% of his contract... a cent less and he’d have every right to take the club to court. He has 1 drink driving strike against his name and 1 recreational drug strike. The other recreational drug use “strike” is even mentioned on the AFL site as “purportedly”.. in other words, its unproven and would get thrown out of court if it came to it.

So officially he has two strikes against his name yet the club, rightly or wrongly depending on personal opinion, wanted him gone or wanted him to serve a year long ban.

They couldnt just rip up his contract and send him packing because his employers (AFL) own recreational drug policy states he gets three strikes.

I’d say the club (and effectively the AFL) will be paying him out his full contract entitlement..

What I want to know is whether it has to be counted in the salary cap for the next two years..

Or what happens if he does indeed get picked up in the mid season draft

 

[Bearded Clam]

Or what happens if he does indeed get picked up in the mid season draft

Who knows.. the AFL and his new club will have to nut that out if and when it occurs.

Knowing our luck.. he’ll go to another club and the crows will have to pay most of his new salary!..

 

[Drummond]

Bye bye Tyson. Good riddance.

 

[hey shorty]

Who knows.. the AFL and his new club will have to nut that out if and when it occurs.

Knowing our luck.. he’ll go to another club and the crows will have to pay most of his new salary!..

I'd be surprised to see anyone pick him up this season, they'll want a bit more proof like we did.

 

[ad victoriam]

Or what happens if he does indeed get picked up in the mid season draft

Don't believe he can register for the 2021 mid-season draft,
Last year's rules included these comments.
"Players must have nominated for the most-recent National Draft or previously been on an AFL list"
" A retired player, such as Cyril Rioli, or a player who delists himself must be out of the AFL for at least one full season to be eligible"

 

[xazos79]

We offered for him to stay on our list until the end of 2022, but spend 2021 in the SANFL at the Eagles to get himself sorted out away from the club.

He didn't want to do it so I would imagine that he's voluntarily terminated the contract himself which would more than likely mean that we most probably are not paying him anything or we've agreed on a greatly reduced settlement figure.

That just seems bonkers. Essentially ostracising him from the club. What other club has ever done that before?

You've done something wrong. You're now banished from the seniors to another club's twos. Be a good boy and you can come back in a year.

If that was honestly the offer posited by our brains trust.... its no wonder he wasn't interested. And whoever thought up that idea... should be glove slapped.

Unless we wanted him gone and the shit sandwich deal was part of the strategy.

Then bravo.

 

[hey shorty]

That just seems bonkers. Essentially ostracising him from the club. What other club has ever done that before?

You've done something wrong. You're now banished from the seniors to another club's twos. Be a good boy and you can come back in a year.

If that was honestly the offer posited by our brains trust.... its no wonder he wasn't interested. And whoever thought up that idea... should be glove slapped.

Unless we wanted him gone and the sh*t sandwich deal was part of the strategy.

Then bravo.

He's not allowed to play AFL this year anyway it seems, so I don't see him getting picked up.

I also don't reckon we'd have kept him there all year, one of those "indefinite" suspensions.

But really, we wasted too much time on a guy not really worth it.

 

[Crow till I die]

He's not allowed to play AFL this year anyway it seems, so I don't see him getting picked up.

I also don't reckon we'd have kept him there all year, one of those "indefinite" suspensions.

But really, we wasted too much time on a guy not really worth it.

The geezer barely had his feet under the table and was breaking rules and protocols..we move on

 

[GrommoT]

A year in the SANFL?

Has any club done something like that and retained the player afterwards? Were we following a proven track record with this penalty?

This is like the lowball contract offer ... "if you comply with these (pretty unacceptable) conditions, you can rejoin our playing list (though we really, really don't want you to) in 12 months' time"