Scott Morrison - How Long? Part 4

[Chief]

This is part 4.

Part 5 is here:

Scott Morrison - How Long? Part 5 - The stroll out.

Continued in Part 6. https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/scott-morrison-how-long-part-6-the-coal-man.1290651/

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[QuietB]

So, we're eventually going to have to live with it?! We're not going to get 70% vaccination rate anytime in the future. That's for sure!

AMA has come out against AZ for everyone under 40, so it's a total cluster fu**.

Morrison made that announcement without proper consultation.

Just like his China investigation was announced without proper consultation.

Train station car parks. Bushfire relief. GP vaccine rollout. Yada yada

He speaks first and doesn’t even bother to think later. He simply moves on and blames something/someone else when it all falls down.

All his stupid ideas are
not fully and properly considered.

Morrison is a buffoon.

 

[Saint]

It doesn't really matter whether its 1 dose or ongoing. AZ is taken as 2 single doses. Other medications are taken daily. I take and will have to take pentaprazole daily for the rest of my life. So, I dont really care if the risk from 1 dose of AZ is higher than the risk of 1 dose of pentaprazole, as I will be taking thousands of them.

This is paracetamol

Due to the absence of controlled studies, most of the information about the long-term safety of paracetamol comes from observational studies.[31] These indicate a consistent pattern of increased mortality as well as cardiovascular (stroke, myocardial infarction), gastrointestinal (ulcers, bleeding) and renal adverse effects with increased dose of paracetamol.[32][31][34] Use of paracetamol is associated with 1.9 times higher risk of peptic ulcer.[31] Those who take it regularly at a higher dose (more than 2–3 g daily) are at much higher risk (3.6–3.7 times) of gastrointestinal bleeding and other bleeding events.[35] Meta-analyses suggest that paracetamol may increase the risk of kidney impairment by 23%[83] and kidney cancer by 28%.[34] Paracetamol is particularly dangerous to the liver in overdose, but even without overdose those who take this drug may develop acute liver failure requiring liver transplantation more frequently than the users of nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs.[30] Paracetamol slightly but significantly increases blood pressure and heart rate.[31] The majority of observational studies suggests that, used chronically, it may increase the risk of developing hypertension. The risk is higher with the higher dose

This is worse than the side effects of AZ, by orders of magnitude. And while its true that AZ is being rolled out nationally, so lots of people are taking it about the same time, which means all the side effects manifest at the same time, and make news. But lots of people take panadol, lots of people take lots of panadol, and have been doing so for a very long time.

Can you imagine what would happen if they came out and said AZ was associated with an increased mortality rate?

Can you imagine what would happen if every person who had developed Kidney cancer, who had taken paracetamol at some point, made the national news, and had the health minister being questions by reporters about what he was going to do about it?

How are those side effects "orders of magnitude" worse than AZ, when one of the side effects of a single dose of AZ is clotting leading to death? I don't see death on that list. And why do doctors need indemnity from giving people AZ if it's orders of magnitude safer than paracetamol which you can get over the counter?

It's crap "Medical Opinions" like this which muddy the waters. It's like when I read people comparing the 1 in a million chance of dying based on their own crap maths to getting struck by lightning or something else stupid. They leave out entirely the other side of the equation which is "what if we just took Pfizer in 3 months instead of the possibly deadly one now"?

Morrison's move is typically cynical. Lots of people are happy to take AZ but hadn't had access. And now Sqomo gets to not only give them that choice, but when vaccination rates don't hit targets, he's going to blame the people who want to wait for the safe dose in accordance with AMA and ATAGI advice. It completely shifts the blame from the incompetence of the Morrison Govt in not order a range of vaccines in case this exact event played out.

And I can already see it working with people complaining about why many healthy young people aren't just rolling the dice with their health on a drug which might kill them instead of waiting 3 months for a drug which won't kill them. At the moment they're at zero risk of dying from COVID and only have to wait 3 months until this incompetent Govt finally makes a safe vaccine available.

I'm very pro-vax. My choice is to take the chance I get clots and possibly die or wait 3 months longer (after 16 months of pandemic) and receive a vaccine which is safe(r). I'm going to wait.

If they were offering your kids an unsafe measles inoculation now or a safe one in 3 months' time, I know which one you're giving them.

 

[Saint]

By the way, Sky and other Murdoch outlets have already started the assault on the AMA and ATAGI for doing their job properly. So blame shifts from the incompetence of Morrison and Hunt to people and health authorities being too cautious (because the Govt decided to not be cautious by not ordering multiple vaccines).

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

Surely the reward is being inoculated from a serious disease. I genuinely don't understand the hesitancy, when did we get this stupid?

You'd think so, wouldn't you?

But as per my previous point, whilst we remain a hermit country and whilst we continue to shutdown whenever a handful of new cases appear there will remain a great deal of public complacency.

There needs to be the threat and the reward. We have neither right now.

 

[Deaneus!]

I love it when we are the lead article on the NYT website

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

I love it when we are the lead article on the NYT website

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At the nude beach were you Deaneus! ?

You filthy pervert.

 

[madmug]

Gotta disagree.

Australia is a better place with the NDIS no matter how bad the Morrison government tries to screw it up.

Australia would be a much better place with the proper NBN originally proposed which Morrison & Co. butchered and Australia would be much better prepared for what is coming with an effective emissions trading scheme.

I struggle to name a single reform by the Abbot/Turnbull/Morrison governments. And so far that non existant reform program has cost Australia $800 billion

Does the destruction of the car industry count? How about the $90bill Submarine procurement mess?

But yes, they have done their best to phork up the NBN. A huge modernisation project which means so much to all our futures. Its of massive importance when striving to achieve the efficiency gains that we desperately need. Especially in the face of our ageing population.

This 'Government is by far the worst we've ever seen.

They are a politically & ideologically riven, confused, pork barreling mess.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

AMA has come out against AZ for everyone under 40, so it's a total cluster fu**.

That was misstated by the media. They clarified:

 

[Financialpanther]

At the nude beach were you Deaneus! ?

You filthy pervert.

More disconcerting was his lifelike deer costume.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Queensland Premier saying AZ for under 40's was NOT a decision of National Cabinet

So why are Hunt and Morrison saying it was?
Where is the medical advice that says AZ is ok for under 40's?

 

[Crankyhawk]

How are those side effects "orders of magnitude" worse than AZ, when one of the side effects of a single dose of AZ is clotting leading to death? I don't see death on that list. And why do doctors need indemnity from giving people AZ if it's orders of magnitude safer than paracetamol which you can get over the counter?

It's crap "Medical Opinions" like this which muddy the waters. It's like when I read people comparing the 1 in a million chance of dying based on their own crap maths to getting struck by lightning or something else stupid. They leave out entirely the other side of the equation which is "what if we just took Pfizer in 3 months instead of the possibly deadly one now"?

Morrison's move is typically cynical. Lots of people are happy to take AZ but hadn't had access. And now Sqomo gets to not only give them that choice, but when vaccination rates don't hit targets, he's going to blame the people who want to wait for the safe dose in accordance with AMA and ATAGI advice. It completely shifts the blame from the incompetence of the Morrison Govt in not order a range of vaccines in case this exact event played out.

And I can already see it working with people complaining about why many healthy young people aren't just rolling the dice with their health on a drug which might kill them instead of waiting 3 months for a drug which won't kill them. At the moment they're at zero risk of dying from COVID and only have to wait 3 months until this incompetent Govt finally makes a safe vaccine available.

I'm very pro-vax. My choice is to take the chance I get clots and possibly die or wait 3 months longer (after 16 months of pandemic) and receive a vaccine which is safe(r). I'm going to wait.

If they were offering your kids an unsafe measles inoculation now or a safe one in 3 months' time, I know which one you're giving them.

I think anaphylactic reactions are more common with Pfizer compared to AZ.

 

[Saint]

Queensland Premier saying AZ for under 40's was NOT a decision of National Cabinet

So why are Hunt and Morrison saying it was?
Where is the medical advice that says AZ is ok for under 40's?

Because Hunt and Morrison are campaigners who care more about avoiding blame/responsibility than truth or Governance.

 

[Saint]

I think anaphylactic reactions are more common with Pfizer compared to AZ.

Yeah, it's less safe (relatively) for the elderly. Which is why AZ for over 60's and Pfizer for under 60's.

 

[Saint]

Does the destruction of the car industry count? How about the $90bill Submarine procurement mess?

But yes, they have done their best to phork up the NBN. A huge modernisation project which means so much to all our futures. Its of massive importance when striving to achieve the efficiency gains that we desperately need. Especially in the face of our ageing population.

This 'Government is by far the worst we've ever seen.

They are a politically & ideologically riven, confused, pork barreling mess.

Who destroyed the car industry? The car industry was going.....going.... and Hockey/Abbott finished it off. Why would we subsidise foreign car companies?

The worst thing about the NBN was that they did it solely for the reason of propping up Foxtel/FTA TV who in turn prop up the LNP. It's outright corruption.

 

[tandino]

The car industry destroyed itself

 

[Ghost Patrol]

It's worth propping up the car industry, heavy manufacturing.

Can you name a car manufacturing country that doesn't do that?

 

[HairyO]

Who destroyed the car industry? The car industry was going.....going.... and Hockey/Abbott finished it off. Why would we subsidise foreign car companies?

The worst thing about the NBN was that they did it solely for the reason of propping up Foxtel/FTA TV who in turn prop up the LNP. It's outright corruption.

Gillard gave the car industry $10 billion for a 10 year guarantee. Within 2 years they demanded more money then shut down.

We made terrible cars almost noone wanted to buy. The subsidies made the companies (both owners and workers) lazy and the unions refused to negotiate when the govt said no more money and chose to die rather than improve.

We are far better off without them.

 

[QuietB]

The car industry destroyed itself

Deliberately. They were quite happy to fleece Australian's for as long as they could investing the grand sum total of SFA into new infrastructure.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

It's worth propping up the car industry, heavy manufacturing.

Can you name a car manufacturing country that doesn't do that?

In the GFC Obama virtually bought the US Car Industry

 

[madmug]

Who destroyed the car industry? The car industry was going.....going.... and Hockey/Abbott finished it off. Why would we subsidise foreign car companies?

The worst thing about the NBN was that they did it solely for the reason of propping up Foxtel/FTA TV who in turn prop up the LNP. It's outright corruption.

We 'prop' up a lot of things. The motor industry provided a lot of high end technical jobs & a lot of supply chain jobs. Its import replacement value has been gutted.

This Government just announced a $600mil gas fired power station which when built would provide a handful of jobs!!!

The worst thing about the NBN was that it was a Labor initiative. The LNP couldn't handle that.

The downgrading from Turnbull cost as much as the real thing would have!!.

Its Vital for our modern futures that we have an efficient adaptable information system. That was it, until the dinosaurs got hold of it.

Tell me what they've done well since 2013? Something to discuss. Industry? Debt? Tax reform? Vaccines? Anything will do.

No excuses, This government is the nations WORST ever.

 

[STFUJEFF]

Queensland Premier saying AZ for under 40's was NOT a decision of National Cabinet

So why are Hunt and Morrison saying it was?
Where is the medical advice that says AZ is ok for under 40's?

The Western Australian premier, Mark McGowan, told reporters Monday night’s shift was not a national cabinet decision, it was a decision of the Morrison government. “The commonwealth makes these decisions, and we were advised [on Monday night],” McGowan said.

 

[Nikita Blue]

 

[Juddism]

Morrison funded 27 car parks just one day before he called the election

The day before Scott Morrison called the 2019 election, he approved $389 million worth of spending on commuter car parks in the electorates the Coalition was trying to win.

www.smh.com.au

And then we have this...

 

[FRUMPY]

Queensland Premier saying AZ for under 40's was NOT a decision of National Cabinet

So why are Hunt and Morrison saying it was?
Where is the medical advice that says AZ is ok for under 40's?

They're copping it from most state premiers at the moment (and rightly so) - will be interesting to see how he spins this....

 

[Ghost Patrol]

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