List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part II

[George]

Continued in Part III

List Mgmt. - 2021 Trade Thread - Part III

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Delisted;
Oscar Clavarino

38

Oscar Clavarino

Age

26

Ht

197cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Def

No player stats available

Sam Alabakis

45

Sam Alabakis

Age

28

Ht

211cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

Traded;
-

Retired;
Jake Carlisle

2

Jake Carlisle

Age

34

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

116.3

2star

D

11.7

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

116.3

2star

D

12.4

4star

K

6.4

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

0.8

3star

Dylan Roberton

17

Dylan Roberton

Age

34

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.1

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

373.2

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

7.0

3star

HB

1.0

1star

M

1.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

215.0

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

Shaun McKernan

27

Shaun Mckernan

Age

35

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.4

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

17.0

5star

K

8.2

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.2

3star

James Frawley

24

James Frawley

Age

37

Ht

193cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.2

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

135.4

2star

D

8.7

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.9

2star

MG

135.4

2star

D

9.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

Current Players Out of Contract;
7. Luke Dunstan

27

Luke Dunstan

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.7

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.6

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

9.0

5star

CL

2.0

4star

D

18.2

5star

K

6.0

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

6.2

5star

CL

4.2

5star

(RFA) - Link
13. Jack Lonie

13

Jack Lonie

Age

29

Ht

175cm

Wt

70kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

10.7

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.0

4star

- Link
25. Dean Kent

25

Dean Kent

Age

31

Ht

181cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.3

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

10.4

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.0

4star

G

1.2

5star

D

7.6

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.6

3star

- Link
39. Darragh Joyce

41

Darragh Joyce

Age

28

Ht

195cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

3star

MG

207.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

4star

MG

207.6

4star

- Link
41. Paul Hunter

41

Paul Hunter

Age

32

Ht

200cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

- Link


To see the full list (it gets updated regularly) visit this thread;

List & Contract Status

SENIOR LIST 1. Jack Higgins 2. Marcus Windhager 3. Zak Jones 4. Lance Collard 5. Brad Crouch 6. Sebastian Ross 7. Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera 8. Bradley Hill 9. Jack Steele 10. Mitchito Owens 11. Hunter Clark 12. Max King 13. Ryan Byrnes 14. Liam Stocker 15. Paddy Dow 16. Daniel Butler 17. Isaac...

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Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Trade Period
Players: Monday October 4 – Wednesday October 13
Picks: Monday October 4 – tbc (approx. Friday November 19)

List Lodgement 1
tbc (approx. Thursday October 28)

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
tbc (approx. Friday October 29 - Monday November 8)

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
tbc (approx. Tuesday November 9)

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
tbc (approx. Wednesday November 10 - Friday November 19)

 

[Premium]

Didnt Ratts or someone at the Club say there's been no interest in him?

The manager has most probably told the clubs this is the money he wants and no one is near what even the Saints are willing to pay.

 

[botts]

To be fair, the bad kicking has cost us anywhere from 2-4 wins every season for the last decade, so that’s just us & is why we aren’t ‘close’ IMHO cos it still happens

And the 09 flag.

 

[Ads734]

To be fair, the bad kicking has cost us anywhere from 2-4 wins every season for the last decade, so that’s just us & is why we aren’t ‘close’ IMHO cos it still happens

Nah this was specifically poorer like afhprent kicking

Sydney first game Higgins kicking 1.6
Geelong Max kicking 1.5
Adelaide everyone missing

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

I'm wondering how we'll look back on the 2020 draft. My hunch is that it will turn out to be a good one to have stayed out of. I really think that's a big part of why we got in so many old fogies - we didn't want a bar of it.

We've already been proven right by this year's midseason draft, and now the 2021 draft looks stacked. I reckon the only mistake was trading out our 2021 second as part of the Higgins deal. I think we would have been better trading out last year's first with a 2021 third rounder back , b/c I think there's a good chance you'll get a better player with this year's second than with last year's first.

One of the better things of the lockdowns as it has made the 20 and 21 drafts a lot more random when it comes to getting Victorian talent.

We got Higgins and Highmore who have come in quite well and still yet to see McLoed.

The clubs that nail these drafts will get one hell of an advantage.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

I do trust the club though if we want to grab someone from the SANFL though.

Wilke, Highmore and Sharman does prove to me that our recruiting department knows that league.

 

[Saint_Dos]

The manager has most probably told the clubs this is the money he wants and no one is near what even the Saints are willing to pay.

I'm hoping it is more like this is what he is wanting 4 years and no one is willing to go there hence his 2 years with us is still top. Its not the money, its the length of contract.

Im not against him staying on a modest wage. I really hope we are not offering him way more than anyone else would want to pay.

 

[Diehard Saint]

We have a really boring list and not much we have is coveted by others. Steele has respect after backing up his 2020, Marshall has shown enough for others to think he might be good and King is a hype machine but most of our other players don't get anyone too excited.

When we try to trade our players other clubs offer what they think our players are worth. So far it shows how we are perceived. Newnes, Bruce, Ross, Dunstan, Hind all looked about as popular as a poo in pool. Even our delisted players like Savage were still playing good footy but got no interest

Playing for the Saints in the last 10 years is probably an impediment to your career trajectory.

That’s ridiculous.
You named players which, bar Bruce and currently Ross, aren’t regularly best 22. Savage was delisted at a time when list sizes were being reduced which was probably a reason for him not being picked up.

We’re not trying to trade our best players, who would all have interest from other clubs. Plenty of clubs would “covet” King, Steele, Roma, Gresh, Higgins, Clark, Doogs, Wilkie….Jesus, Brad Johnson was even going after Sharman.

Your focus is way too narrow. Every other club would have “boring” players on the periphery that no other clubs would be interested in. What exactly did we pay for other clubs “castoffs” in Wood and McKernan?

 

[stfan]

I do trust the club though if we want to grab someone from the SANFL though.

Wilke, Highmore and Sharman does prove to me that our recruiting department knows that league.

Though only Wilkie really was a SANFL player with a solid record there.

The other two both came from interstate with limited SANFL time.

• Highmore had just the one season there, including a month out injured.
• Sharman only played two SANFL games and six games (15 goals) in reserves. - So that is looking like quite an amazing judgement call.

So I am wondering whether it more that whomever our SA talent spotter is, that they have great judgement, as two of those three players had very little exposure in SA.

 

[St Neil]

Not much media in gold coast. He'll be ok.

AFL media will drive their club officials mad. That can spill over into internal pressure for him to re-sign. Shouldn’t happen but they seem to be desperate as a club.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

So I am wondering whether it more that whomever our SA talent spotter is, that they have great judgement.

I think we might have a dedicated SA scout.

But if we do that man has earnt a pay rise for sure.

 

[St Neil]

Bit of a reality check for players to put themselves on the market only to receive little or no interest, you’d think.

We’ll find out soon enough. It’s puzzling that nothing has been announced one way or the other.

 

[Rors]

I do trust the club though if we want to grab someone from the SANFL though.

Wilke, Highmore and Sharman does prove to me that our recruiting department knows that league.

I want Sam Skinner!

 

[Rors]

Nah this was specifically poorer like afhprent kicking

Sydney first game Higgins kicking 1.6
Geelong Max kicking 1.5
Adelaide everyone missing

Sydney game is a furphy.

Swans kicked 13.14 to our 12.11

That game just gets noticed because one player kicked 1.6 out of our 12.11

Swans should have won by 4-5 goals

 

[Sun Ra]

Sydney game is a furphy.

Swans kicked 13.14 to our 12.11

That game just gets noticed because one player kicked 1.6 out of our 12.11

Swans should have won by 4-5 goals

Missy Higgins - hard to live that one down.

 

[PandaG]

Carlton‘s player development is woeful, could be time for a change of scenery

Same deal with Paddy dow
What happened to his talent??

 

[Rors]

Missy Higgins - hard to live that one down.

After the first Geelong game & his 1.5 , I read a “Max Queen” comment

Thought that was a bit sexist, but still funny as ****

 

[Premium]

We are far too inconsistent. Every team can have a few games a year where they play out of their skin. Even North & Adelaide had a couple of excellent games. Crows beat Demons. You are marked on your ability to consistently play to a high standard. We are quite a way back from that level.

I can say we could be allowed to say we had reasons - our midfield was decimated by injury - no Jones , Ryder , Marshall , Crouch in round one and then in the 3rd game Gresham's gone for the year or though Crouch was back.

The main thing though we went through so many players due to injury and a lot of players you could say were not fit , even when Jones and Marshall came back they would of be under done , but add on Hunter Clark only playing 13 games along with Ryders 12 , Marshalls 13 , Greshams 3 , Paton 0 , Carlisle was cooked , Frawley was burnt.

We did have excuses and game plan was based on winning the clearances in the middle or at least break even and the blow outs against Dogs , Tigers and the Bombers just showed we were way off the mark.
What destroyed the confidence of the club if it was not already gone by the thrashings we copped was the defeat by the Crows - but in all reality we should of seen it coming - having Marshall , Jones , Membery , Ross , Geary and Oscar coming out of the team that played the Swans you can more or less see why the team just could not settle , add on Clark breaking his jaw in that game as well.

No doubt we will have injuries next year but we have to at least cut it with midfield's not just having the one standout in Steele.
Jones must play more than half a season and play like he did in one game were he was brilliant with 35 touches.
Gresham has to get over his injury and get back playing good football even if he is only sparingly used through the middle.
Same goes with Hunter Clark , it is not his fault he copped a broken jaw but he needs to be getting midfield minutes and make that his spot.
Bytel I fully expect to transition to the player we need - he has played little but his body transformation is just about complete.

Steele has carried the midfield and Crouch has done pretty well knowing he is playing a lot more defensively than what he did at the Crows.
People say how Dunstan improved our midfield , he certainly did - Bytel was just not ready with a handful of games under his belt , Gresham out for the year and Jones in and out of the team with Hunter Clarks broken jaw we had no other options - Ross is no great inside midfielder - but Dunstan had a huge hand in us winning many games - the Richmond games a standout , however he gets found out with speed and gut running and then Steele's work load with Crouches lift considerable because of it - Dunstan's last game he had 20 touches against Carlton and for a inside mid - it is woeful , but made it worse was he had 8 clangers ans 6 turnovers and from that you fully understand why he is gone.
He played 12 games and we won 5 , so you can see he was no game changer - even Bytel had a better game winning ratio.

Getting away from the midfield , our backline was gelling with new combinations - with Webster / not playing for about 2 years , Highmore , Sinclair adjusting to their positions - Connolly , Oscar , Joyce , Hill all getting a run.
Our forward line was still developing with King thrust into the top dogs spot as Membery seemed to be roaming up and down the ground a lot more with Higgins playing like a small key forward.

In all a more settled team and having more players to select from we will be winning far more games - at one stage we only had Alabakis and Allison left that were fit.

Having Frawley , McKernan , Geary , Gresham , Paton , Hannerbery basically out for the year and having Jones , Marshall , Ryder , Hunter Clark only play half a season stripped our side of players and add to that we had injuries to Wood , Joyce , Bytel , Higgins , Billings , Coffield , Battle and others.

We are heading in the right direction and with any luck there is no reason we can't compete - only have a look at when we played the Demons we were missing key pieces - for instance Paul Hunter was our #1 ruck against Gawn and we lost by 18 points.

 

[Chef Ratts]

AFL media will drive their club officials mad. That can spill over into internal pressure for him to re-sign. Shouldn’t happen but they seem to be desperate as a club.

If Ben wants to come home next year, you'd think the best thing he could do is tell them relatively early in the season. Nip it in the bud and let the media drive Luko and Rankine crazy instead.

 

[PandaG]

We have a really boring list and not much we have is coveted by others. Steele has respect after backing up his 2020, Marshall has shown enough for others to think he might be good and King is a hype machine but most of our other players don't get anyone too excited.

When we try to trade our players other clubs offer what they think our players are worth. So far it shows how we are perceived. Newnes, Bruce, Ross, Dunstan, Hind all looked about as popular as a poo in pool. Even our delisted players like Savage were still playing good footy but got no interest

Playing for the Saints in the last 10 years is probably an impediment to your career trajectory.

Same could be said for most Melb players at the end of 2019

 

[saintsrfreak]

Ive been saying for years he should be played behind the ball like Daniel Rich. Either that or put him in the forward line but that would mean he’s competing for a spot with Sharman & Higgins (Butler plays different role) & unfortunately becomes depth!

Have Higgins and Billings swapping between the wing

"THE STAR PLAYER WHO JACK HIGGINS WANTS TO EMULATE
BY LAURENCE ROSEN A YEAR AGO


Jack Higgins says he’s keen to develop his game to eventually mirror Port Adelaide star Robbie Gray’s role across the midfield and forward line.

The 21-year-old has played every game for Richmond since the season restart, working his way back from brain surgery which restricted him to 13 games in 2019.


While Higgins says he sees himself more as a midfielder rather than a forward, he said he is enjoying the new role coach Damien Hardwick has him playing this year.

“I see myself as a better midfielder than a forward,” Higgins said on SEN’s Tiger Time.

“Just for my running ability and I think I can sneak forward. If I could be half as good as Robbie Gray … I’d like to (emulate him) in the future.

“I’m playing a more high half forward role at the moment so I’m sort of getting used to that, I haven’t really played it in the last two years.

“It’s more getting up in to the midfield, not so much a midfielder but getting around the midfielder and doing heaps of stoppages so that’s pretty new for me.

“Getting the ball forward is my role, it’s really interesting as I’ve never really played it before but I’m enjoying it so far.”

 

[Sun Ra]

If Ben wants to come home next year, you'd think the best thing he could do is tell them relatively early in the season. Nip it in the bud and let the media drive Luko and Rankine crazy instead.

Ben Long ? After we trade him out ?

 

[_Maximus_12]

fu** I love the Saints. No matter what happens this off-season, can’t wait to be at the games, watching our boys next year. ❤

Edit: just watched some 2021 highlights which prompted the above pride.

There were highlights this year?

 

[St Neil]

If Ben wants to come home next year, you'd think the best thing he could do is tell them relatively early in the season. Nip it in the bud and let the media drive Luko and Rankine crazy instead.

Honesty is generally the best policy. It may cause a few within the team to be snarly. But transparency is generally respected.

 

[Premium]

I think we might have a dedicated SA scout.

But if we do that man has earnt a pay rise for sure.

Gags has close association with a fair few coaches and ex-players that give him a heads up on anyone good in Sth Aust.
Having being a being a 38 game player with Crows and playing 200 games with Norwood and captaining the team.

 

[AirWinmar]

They have Cripps, Cerra will get there, they have Brodie Kemp who is a bit of a Bytel type injury bargain and Dow started to show that he's not a spud this year. If they can get some run out of Williams they might finally come good with some decent coaching and games into youth. The pieces look good on paper but they have to overcome the mental stuff.

Another 2 years of a coaching disaster should sort em out