Rumour GFC 2021 Player Trading, Drafting FA, Rumours and Wish lists

[Shai]

Who apparently rates him?? I have yet to see any talk upd of him. Have you seen him play?

If you care to go the Draft Hub on the main board and type his name in you will find multiple draft watchers speaking about him. I've seen him play and posted about him in our draft thread also.

A few snippets

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Twomey's Draft Team of the Year: Falcons ball-magnet, SA mid among three changes

Check out draft guru Cal Twomey's updated Draft Team of the Year

www.afl.com.au

Also his July form guide which I think is the most recent: https://www.afl.com.au/news/654556/cal-twomey-s-phantom-form-guide-top-draft-prospects-july-ranking

I’m not sure Goater or Chesser project as tall, big bodied mids. Mitch Knevitt probably is the main player to project as a genuine big inside body, followed by Matthew Johnson.

Goater and Erasmus potentially project as the athletic tall mid who can break away from congestion at pace.

I might not have any fancy graphics like some people, nor am I getting paid like others. But I'm back for another year. Bit later this year than normal, but I've been posting my rankings on the Fremantle board throughout the season. I've just been avoiding the investment of my own thread, and letting the other draft watchers do the hard yards over the past few months.

2021 Big Board

1. Jason Horne-Francis (184cm, 78kg from SA)
2. Nick Daicos (183cm, 72kg from Vic Metro)
3. Neil Erasmus (188cm, 80kg from WA)
4. Finn Callaghan (189cm, 82kg from Vic Metro)
5. Josh Ward (181cm, 79kg from Vic Metro)
6. Josh Rachele (180cm, 78kg from Vic Country)
7. Matthew Roberts (184cm, 80kg from SA)
8. Sam Darcy (204cm, 75kg from Vic Metro)
9. Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera (188cm, 70kg from SA)
10. Jye Amiss (195cm, 83kg from WA)



11. Josh Sinn (186cm, 73kg from Vic Metro)
12. Matthew Johnson (192cm, 80kg from WA)
13. Arlo Draper (186cm, 75kg from SA)
14. Ben Hobbs (183cm, 80kg from Vic Country)
15. Jacob van Rooyen (194cm, 88kg from WA)
16. Tyler Sonsie (181cm, 77kg from Vic Metro)
17. Josh Gibcus (195cm, 84kg from Vic Country)
18. Mitch Knevitt (193cm, 83kg from Vic Country)
19. Darcy Wilmot (183cm, 75kg from Vic Metro)
20. Josh Goater (190cm, 79kg from Vic Country)



21. Leek Alleer (196cm, 84kg from SA)
22. Mac Andrew (200cm, 70kg from Vic Country)
23. Brady Hough (189cm, 71kg from WA)
24. Campbell Chesser (186cm, 83kg from Vic Country)
25. Jesse Motlop (176cm, 74kg from WA)
26. Zac Taylor (180cm, 74kg from Vic Metro)
27. Jack Williams (195cm, 91kg from WA)
28. Ned Long (192cm, 88kg from Vic Metro)
29. Blake Howes (190cm, 79kg from Vic Metro)
30. Cooper Beecken (190cm, 73kg from SA)



31. Connor Macdonald (184cm, 65kg from Vic Country)
32. Josh Fahey (186cm, 76kg from GWS)
33. Joshua Browne (185cm, 77kg from WA)
34. Cooper Murley (178cm, 70kg from SA)
35. Rhett Bazzo (195cm, 81kg from WA)
36. Jase Burgoyne (186cm, 65kg from SA)
37. Lewis Rayson (183cm, 69kg from SA)
38. Sam Butler (184cm, 73kg from Vic Country)
39. Isaiah Dudley (168cm, 70kg from SA)
40. Tom Brown (184cm, 73kg from Vic Country)



41. Hugh Jackson (181cm, 70kg from SA)
42. James Willis (180cm, 75kg from SA)
43. Judson Clarke (179cm, 69kg from Vic Country)
44. Zac Becker (190cm, 92kg from SA)
45. Toby Conway (204cm, 90kg from Vic Country)
46. Kade Dittmar (186cm, 90kg from WA)
47. Morgan Ferres (190cm, 80kg from SA)
48. Alastair Lord (180cm, 76kg from SA)
49. Will Spain (178cm, 69kg from SA)
50. Luka Whitelum (188cm, 77kg from SA)



So there it is, my first official rankings for the year and some general musings to go along with it. I've been critical of others, so have it. Tell me why I'm wrong. And for the record, I stopped playing football when I was 14 due to a lack of talent. Although I still maintain I beat Bryce Gibbs in an U10's game once. I think it's what spurred him on to take his game to the next level.

Well the 7 Victorians in the 11-20 grouping are probably being held back by a lack of exposed form. Whereas guys like Wanganeen-Milera and Amiss have been able to climb ahead with performances. Sinn, Johnson, Draper and Hobbs could all have cracked the top group - and have at times during the year. It just didn't work out that way this time.

But I think Sonsie and Gibcus underperformed a touch when they actually made it onto the field this year. The talent and athleticism is there though, that's why they'll be first round picks. Not because of strong performances. Even without the lockdown, Sinn was struggling to get on the field consistently. As for Hobbs, I always tend to underrate the more inside midfielders. Excellent at what he does, but I've found others to be more influential. Draper has all the talent and potential, but is another who hasn't quite put it all together yet.

van Rooyen, Wilmot and Knevitt would be higher than most would have I imagine. They aren't likely to break into the top 10. Although van Rooyen could have if he actually played all season as a forward. And Goater is maybe a bit of a BigFooty favourite, he has his fans early but that'd be on a gut feel that he continues the trajectory he's hinted at this year.

An update to the tiers

Tier 1
Jason Horne-Francis
Nick Daicos

Tier 2
Sam Darcy
Finn Callaghan

Tier 3
Tyler Sonsie
Josh Gibcus
Neil Erasmus
Josh Goater
Ben Hobbs
Josh Sinn
Josh Ward
Campbell Chesser
Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera

Tier 4
Jye Amiss
Darcy Wilmot
Mac Andrew
Arlo Draper
Josh Rachele
Josh Fahey
Matthew Johnson
Mitchell Knevitt
Judson Clarke
Ned Long
Sam Butler
Zac Taylor
Brady Hough
Blake Howes
Mitch Owens
Jacob Van Rooyen
Matthew Roberts

Tier 5
Tom Brown
Cooper Murley
Paul Curtis
Kai Lohmann
Connor MacDonald
Jack Williams
Jesse Motlop
Charlie Molan
Angus Sheldrick
James Willis
Eric Benning
Miller Bergman
Rhett Bazzo
Corey Warner
Luke Nankervis
Jamieson Ballantyne

Herald Sun Top 30 (Dan Batten and Jordan Pinto)

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Consensus	Player	Jordan Pinto	Dan Batten
1	Jason Horne-Francis	1	1
2	Nick Daicos	2	2
3	Sam Darcy	4	3
4	Finn Callaghan	3	4
5	Josh Gibcus	5	6
6	Ben Hobbs	11	5
7	Josh Ward	6	10
8	Mac Andrew	7	8
9	Jye Amiss	15	9
10	Josh Sinn	8	11
11	Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera	10	13
12	Matthew Roberts	9	14
13	Josh Rachele	14	7
14	Tyler Sonsie	13	15
15	Arlo Draper	16	16
16	Neil Erasmus	17	12
17	Josh Goater	12	18
18	Matthew Johnson	19	17
19	Campbell Chesser	18	20
20	Jacob van Rooyen	22	19
21	Sam Butler	20	24
22	Darcy Wilmot	25	22
23	Jack Williams	23	23
24	Jesse Motlop	24	21
25	Zac Taylor	26	27
26	Blake Howes	21	29
27	Toby Conway	30	25
28	Jase Burgoyne	29	26
29	Mitch Knevitt	28	28
30	Tom Brown	27

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[cats_09]

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[catman2006]

I just dont think youll get any bites on our handful of sh*t picks to be honest.

given the even nature of the draft this year a pick in the 30's not going to be much worse than a pick in the teens, we can always do a deal in case dogs and pies need points should that be presented to us, that's why we should take as many mids and half-back flankers as possible hoping we may get two that go on.

 

[Two Planks]

Was mentioned to me today that Cameron Ling may be a chance for an assistant coaching role.

 

[catman2006]

Was mentioned to me today that Cameron Ling may be a chance for an assistant coaching role.

The only issue would be, has he been out of footy too long now.

 

[Pollywaffle]

I've got it. Can't Wells just pick out the next Harry Taylor from obscurity (maybe a bit bigger version of HT given the mutant gorillas that exist in 2022) with one of our picks in the 30s? Simples. No Talia. No throwing SDK to the wolves, I mean mutant gorillas.. Everyone happy now?

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Was mentioned to me today that Cameron Ling may be a chance for an assistant coaching role.

Been out too long surely

 

[cats_09]

Ruck option

 

[Strange Cat]

The only issue would be, has he been out of footy too long now.

Doubt he will leave his comfortable media job and I think he’s been out of the game for too long now . Plus if we start having too many Ex players as assistant it’s just repeating the cycle imo.

 

[cats_09]

According to the Fox Footy team:

GEELONG CATS

Ideal trade scenario: They demand a pick in the teens for Jordan Clark and get it from Fremantle, re-entering the first round, while the Magpies are willing to give up a future third-round pick for fringe tall Nathan Kreuger - and after a poor 2022 for the men in black and white, that ends up being a late-30s selection. The Cats even find a suitor for Charlie Constable in a clogged midfielder market, adding another pick in the late 30s/early 40s for a bloke with five games in two seasons to his name. The three departures open up just enough space for the Cats to launch a move for Port Adelaide’s Peter Ladhams, who wants greater opportunity in the ruck, and could solve their long-running issues at the position. Daniel Talia joins as a delisted free agent on the cheap and successfully replaces the retired Lachie Henderson.

Doomsday trade scenario: The Dockers hold firm on their low-ball offer for Clark, and with the defender-wingman unwilling to stay, the Cats relent and accept pick 27. They’re unable to work out a deal with the Magpies and Kreuger walks for free via the pre-season draft, while they can’t add any more picks to their arsenal, keeping them out of the Ladhams race.

Every AFL club’s dream trade outcome — and the doomsday scenario they dread

Pies’ draft disaster; $7m star wants out as GF losers hit hard: Every club’s trade doomsday

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[Strange Cat]

Ruck option

His contract was always going to bite them in the ass , I would be really wary of drafting him as he only wanted to play for Coll by all reports and I wonder if he would be professional enough to play at another club

and that contract …geez

 

[Danger handballs we win]

If you're talking about looking ahead to 2023 during the 2022 season, then you'll need to remember that a few of the bolded names will be part of the 2023 team - even if some fans will disagree

Kolodjashnij re-signed for 3 years taking him through to 2024, so unless he looks for a trade, he'll be on our list in 2023 and playing plenty of senior football

It'll be the same for Menegola who is a lot better than he's given credit for, and unless injured he'll be a lock in the seniors for the next couple of seasons

Yep I think that is fair- I suppose what I am trying to say is that Geelong would be better of long term if all those in the team named without Kolo and menegola were getting regular football- I would love to see Geelong rotate players more


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[Turbocat]

If you care to go the Draft Hub on the main board and type his name in you will find multiple draft watchers speaking about him. I've seen him play and posted about him in our draft thread also.

A few snippets







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Im not sure if I was the first but I mentioned his name early in this thread. Probably before he picked up a bit of steam. For a player that might be around at the picks we might have, for a need on our list I think he a reasonable option. If we get an earlier pick , like R1, my think would be there are players who are more finished types, that perhaps offer more. As I heard recently said about Johnson, mids who are 192 offer something that cant be taught. I think Knevitts comine data would be interesting. I think I heard he has speed and stamina.

But I try not to focus too much on one single player..just too many variables that may prevent him being the able to be taken when its our call. What if Goater falls and is there at the same pick etc

 

[bulletproof]

Ruck option

Geez Matt Rendell is a dribbler. The garbage I see come out his segments on the socials is so far off the mark…..

 

[Danger handballs we win]

The only issue would be, has he been out of footy too long now.

God I hope not! Nothing against him but can’t quite get my head around the desire to continue to squeeze every drop out of the 07 list re: assistant coaches - love Kelly and think Taylor would be better then Ling-but let’s get some fresh ideas- if the podcast is anything to go by that is..


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[catman2006]

God I hope not! Nothing against him but can’t quite get my head around the desire to continue to squeeze every drop out of the 07 list re: assistant coaches - love Kelly and think Taylor would be better then Ling-but let’s get some fresh ideas- if the podcast is anything to go by that is..


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he would be very knowledgeable but the game has changed with the 6-6-6

 

[cats_09]

Not us, but first deal of the FA & Trade period is done

 

[ShaunWDT]

Geez Matt Rendell is a dribbler. The garbage I see come out his segments on the socials is so far off the mark…..

Red flag when blokes who get given the arse get analysis roles, if they had any idea they'd still be in the role lol.

For such a good player SOS talks a horrendous amount of shit aswell.

 

[catman2006]

Not us, but first deal of the FA & Trade period is done

not sure why Suns offered him 4 years

 

[ShaunWDT]

given the even nature of the draft this year a pick in the 30's not going to be much worse than a pick in the teens, we can always do a deal in case dogs and pies need points should that be presented to us, that's why we should take as many mids and half-back flankers as possible hoping we may get two that go on.

Sides are better crendtialed to deal than us, the Dogs aren't going to totally get fed one in a transaction just for points, Richmond have a far stronger hand for instance.

 

[iameviljez]

not sure why Suns offered him 4 years

Probably because that’s how you get players to leave Victoria for the GC

 

[cats_09]

not sure why Suns offered him 4 years

Maybe because a 3 year deal wouldn't have got him to shift from Richmond

 

[Pure_Ownage]

not sure why Suns offered him 4 years

Because players wont go there unless they offer overs.

 

[BORIS332]

I've got it. Can't Wells just pick out the next Harry Taylor from obscurity (maybe a bit bigger version of HT given the mutant gorillas that exist in 2022) with one of our picks in the 30s? Simples. No Talia. No throwing SDK to the wolves, I mean mutant gorillas.. Everyone happy now?

Firstly, I don't mean to be racially insensitive to the 'gorilla' reference. I saw Leek Alleer play SANFL league this year for Central Districts and he's an absolute gun KPD. He's currently 196cm and 84kg so needs some time in the gym, but that's a good height.

 

[catman2006]

Because players wont go there unless they offer overs.

I know they have a list squeeze but far better for them to take Ladhams to convince him he is their no.1 ruck for the moment even if they burned pick 19