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if the AFL didn't get rid of teams like north and gold coast, who are both struggling with crowds and financially, what makes you think it's a good idea for the AFL to get rid of both WA clubs?What you mean a fairer draw? Those lost games? And as for bankrolling the competition pfttt
I respect your response but I have acknowledged
1) the deaths from influenza and pneumonia in Australia is 10 times higher than covid during the 2 year covid lock down
2) the death rate from influenza and pneumonia in Australia will still be higher than covid during the opening up of the eastern states thanks to double vax
what happened overseas with the stats you quoted, is not relevant as it occurred pre vax which is no longer a reality in WA or over east.
What I'm saying is that Perth is the fourth largest TV market in Australia (out of the 5 metro's). The advertisers don't care what ball sport you're watching on a Friday night or a Sunday afternoon, as long as you're watching so you can see their advertising.
You're getting all worked up trying to make Perth relevant with off-topic information that doesn't change the fact that advertising money doesn't really care about the interests of the people of Perth (especially when WA is locked away from the rest of the world)
You do realise there's other sport on television than AFL
I'll say it once and I'll say it again--- Perth is the 4th largest TV market in Australia and is insignificant in terms of advertising dollars. IF the Perth TV advertising market was valuable, there would be a shift in the time slots to make the games more accessible to the Perth audience, but they don't.
if the AFL didn't get rid of teams like north and gold coast, who are both struggling with crowds and financially, what makes you think it's a good idea for the AFL to get rid of both WA clubs?
You are really reaching. Narrowing your arguement to the point where its ignoring the obvious.I don't know what my club of support has to do with this discussion mate.
Cool story. They can use some of it to hub someone in the country that's open for part of the season.
Who's "we" because I haven't discussed how much money the two WA clubs bring to the AFL in this thread.
I'm just saying that trying to champion "West Coast as big raters in Perth" is like suggesting I'm the best goal kicker in AFL 9's. The Perth TV market is insignificant in regards to the advertising dollar in Australia. The advertising dollar is on the eastern seaboard-- how many people watch the Eagles in Perth doesn't have a big impact on the bottom line of the AFL.
Where did I say get rid of them, but as for bankrolling the competition pfttt and I agree get rid of the leeches like Gold Coast, gws and northif the AFL didn't get rid of teams like north and gold coast, who are both struggling with crowds and financially, what makes you think it's a good idea for the AFL to get rid of both WA clubs?
Rating highly in the fourth biggest TV market in the country is an odd thing to celebrate.
You are really reaching. Narrowing your arguement to the point where its ignoring the obvious.
If the AFL had to cut out the profitable WA AFL market the comp and other teams would suffer.
Massive cuts would be needed and teams relocated out of Melbourne. Suns would be axed. Gaints as well.
It might just come down to how long the WA teams are prepared to hub away from home and with our without families.
You do realise there's other sport on television than AFL
I'll say it once and I'll say it again--- Perth is the 4th largest TV market in Australia and is insignificant in terms of advertising dollars. IF the Perth TV advertising market was valuable, there would be a shift in the time slots to make the games more accessible to the Perth audience, but they don't.
The AFL moves WA time slots to earlier because of the Eastern market time difference.
The significance of the advertising dollars is more generally ignored in discussions between the media deals as Sydney ( the biggest market) is not an AFL stronghold.
National advertising rates are good value for the big advertisers & Perth is a player in the 5 city comparisons (that excude $s).
I've long pointed out the role of the regionals in the NRL audience (it includes Origin) & sports such as the tennis:
Play Nice - 2022 Non AFL Crowds/Ratings/Finance/Development thread
I'm not sure if this made it on here anywhere. Last Sat night, the A-League rated 56k. That's the lowest rating so far this season (that's on Ten's main channel). That's obviously an abysmal figure for the main channel on prime time (there was a time when an A-League game would get that much on...www.bigfooty.com
Because as I've said multiple times now, the Eastern states is where the advertising dollar is. If the Perth TV market was significant there would be games played at primetime over in Perth to focus on that audience, but there's not.
I agree with you that Perth is a "player" when discussing advertising dollars, but it's the fourth largest market in Australia. I'm not talking about television deals here (because of course Channel 7 will value Perth's audience) but the advertising dollar. The large brands are more interested in advertising along the eastern seaboard, they don't care WHAT you're watching, as long as you see their advertisement.
Back to my original point (because it seems that a few people have taken this completely out of context to rant for the sake of ranting) suggesting that the West Coast Eagles television ratings in Perth is the most important part of a television deal is straight up hyperbole. It's a team in a small market that isn't valued as highly as other parts of
Because as I've said multiple times now, the Eastern states is where the advertising dollar is. If the Perth TV market was significant there would be games played at primetime over in Perth to focus on that audience, but there's not.
I agree with you that Perth is a "player" when discussing advertising dollars, but it's the fourth largest market in Australia. I'm not talking about television deals here (because of course Channel 7 will value Perth's audience) but the advertising dollar. The large brands are more interested in advertising along the eastern seaboard, they don't care WHAT you're watching, as long as you see their advertisement.
Back to my original point (because it seems that a few people have taken this completely out of context to rant for the sake of ranting) suggesting that the West Coast Eagles television ratings in Perth is the most important part of a television deal is straight up hyperbole. It's a team in a small market that isn't valued as highly as other parts of the country.
And narrowing the argument is also hyperbole. Which is what you are doing.
No WA teams play in 2022 everyone suffers. Some club's would be close to follding.
That's the point.
So wouldn't the solution be that they do the right thing by the competition and travel (no different than what the rest of the league has done over the past 2 years)?
Instead there's all this pathetic chest beating that the WA clubs are the two most important clubs in the league, when they're not. No individual club is more important than the other 17 for survival of the league.
Round 1 Freo are in Adelaide. The AFL wont mess up too much of the fixture cos of Freo and WC.. They will just base them in QLD or VIC.. given that McGowan has abandoned any plans to open the border anytime soon. I havent heard of any contingency plans by the AFL.
Round 1 could be a derby in WA, also the round after the bye could be in WA (if they are allowed back)
Or too early to start thinking ahead?
I agree with you that Perth is a "player" when discussing advertising dollars, but it's the fourth largest market in Australia. I'm not talking about television deals here (because of course Channel 7 will value Perth's audience) but the advertising dollar. The large brands are more interested in advertising along the eastern seaboard, they don't care WHAT you're watching, as long as you see their advertisement.
Its more about national advertising pricing than the WA market.
Given that the WA market AFL deal is not replicated in other States, its very difficult to make informed comments, one size does not fit all.
For example, the Open tennis ratings for the regionals are greater than Melbourne, more generally regarded as the number 2 audience in terms of viewers. It is a source of misunderstanding when using 5 capital numbers to compare AFL/NRL GF numbers or the reach of Origin.
Interesting numbers.
So you'd agree that comments like "West Coast rates well in Perth" is ridiculous comment to make in regards to demonstrating that apparently they are the most important team in the league. Because they're not and your own analysis of the advertising market suggests that it's "very difficult to make informed comments".
Any 'most important team' comments arent worth continue reading.
The context '... informed comments' relate to the issue I was commenting on & that was not 'most important team'.
So you’re deliberately taking my original comment out of context—- cool story bro.
So the Eastern states have been recording 60 , 70 ....80 deaths per day recently.
Are you saying that is less than influenza?
And that is with high double vaccination rates.
If covid isnt a problem as you make out why do so many experts and government dissagree with you?