Play Nice Scott Morrison 2.0 - How Long? Part 8 - Lose Unit. Game Over, Bulldozer. Cont in Part 9

[QuietB]

Part 5 is here:

Scott Morrison - How Long? Part 5 - The stroll out.

Continued in Part 6. https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/scott-morrison-how-long-part-6-the-coal-man.1290651/

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Part 6 is here:

Play Nice - Scott Morrison - How Long? Part 6 - Prosperity Theology, The Coal Man + His Bootlickers

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Part 7 is here:

Play Nice - Scott Morrison - How Long? Part 7 - Prosperity Theology, The Coal Man + His Bootlickers

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Part 9 is here:

Play Nice - Scott Morrison in the Multiverse of Ministries.

Part 5 is here: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/scott-morrison-how-long-part-5-the-stroll-out.1275975/ Part 6 is here: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/scott-morrison-how-long-part-6-prosperity-theology-the-coal-man-his-bootlickers.1290651/ Part 7 is here...

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[Crankyhawk]

Putin's blacklisted oligarch ally to cash in from Morrison government's gas-led recovery

Viktor Vekselberg is in line to reap dividends if the Northern Territory’s Beetaloo basin can be fracked

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The Beetaloo Basin is a gas project partly owned by one of Putin's mates, Viktor Vekselberg. Remember, both the Coalition and Labor voted to spend public money on fracking the basin. am yet to hear of any sanctions being placed on Vekselberg. Can't risk stalling new fossil fuel projects, hey?

should at least seize the project and kick Vekselberg out. Ie rob the oligarch blind with this war as/ sanctions as pretext. Would be popular (sticking a russian) and would still do LNP goals of fossil fuels.

 

[Evolved1]

No doubt, but the situation now is far more volatile than it was back then. By 1995/96, people were just sick of a very unpopular PM and Howard just decided to give him nothing to attack.

Albo is doing similar to ScoMo, but ScoMo is not quite as unpopular as Keating was. Making things harder for ScoMo is how his unpopularity is seemingly baked in, and oil/petrol prices are still a nuisance and will remain so for a little while. However, the economic and pandemic situation have broadly improved in recent times, and should a consumption-driven boom occur by May, it becomes a closer race despite ScoMo dragging down the LNP vote, especially since 1) the perception that the LNP are better economic managers hasn't fully disappeared, and so voters might think that they're best equipped to manage this boom and 2) the ALP are less likely to achieve enough swings in the right seats to form government.



Why not? I understand that voters have short memories, but ScoMo effectively exposed retirees to the plague. That's not something that happens every day, and that's not easily forgotten.

Many of those retirees will forgive ScoMo in the meantime, especially with his China-baiting and ON-aping, but some won't.'

What do you think will decide the election? I think it's the status of the economy (including inflation/oil prices) + pandemic + the ALP's campaign + ScoMo's screwups, or lack thereof.

I'd be surprised if voters equate omicron to the plague. Most people seem to shrug it off like a cold.

 

[Crankyhawk]

The relationship between the UK and India echoes that of the US and Pakistan. There's quite a bit of distrust there, but when push comes to shove the UK are more than happy to funnel weapons to India when they need to fight Pakistan.

The Indians used the Folland Gnat to particularly lethal effect in the 1965 and 1971 wars.

The Quad kind of reflects India's somewhat contradictory foreign policy in this regard.



The Azov Batallion was integrated years ago though, not just yesterday.

and can blame Putin for a large part of Azov as well, as it could be seen that Azov is a response to his invasion of Crimea/ Putin formenting Russian separatists in Ukraine.

 

[Sun Ra]

It is getting easier and easier to see LNP plants these days.

Agree, he has been running his narrative for a few days now checking out the reactions......just fishing for a bite.

 

[Crankyhawk]

I'd be surprised if voters equate omicron to the plague. Most people seem to shrug it off like a cold.

then there are those like the 25 yr old I saw who came to hospital asking if she should be concerned that when she walks her oxygen sats are 75% and heart rate goes up to 180.
or the 17 year old with multiple opacities in her lungs having to be monitored in ICU due to tachypnoea
I didn't see this happening with regular flu or colds in people this young before.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Saw this on FB

Copied...An analogy of what's going on in the Ukraine and why

The Ukraine & Russia crisis In simple terms for those that have no idea what is going on.

-Ukraine used to be in an abusive relationship with Russia, feeding him, letting him use her car & giving him whatever he asked for until she built up the confidence to call it quits back in 1991

-Since then Ukraine has been working on herself, becoming a strong independent woman with help from friends like France, America, Poland etc. offering her support, loaning her money, & helping her find her way.

-Ukraine has been enjoying being single for 30 years & looking forward to continuing to grow & create new friendships.

-Now Russia being the toxic Ex that it is wants her back, and doesn’t want her meeting new people or creating any new relationships.

-A couple of weeks ago Russia started sitting in the front of Ukraine’s house & when her friends ask him what was he doing there, he said “Oh nothing, just getting a little bit of exercise in, that’s all.”

-After her friends told her that Russia was potentially getting ready to do something bad to her, he said “They’re lying, they just want you to be scared of me & that’s not what it is”

-Yesterday Russia broke into Ukraine’s house, beating her up & “taking advantage” of her while on Livestream & daring any of her friends to do something about it

though to be accurate the fight is still going in the house, heard Russia squeal as Ukraine kicked him in the nuts

 

[Festerz]

Volodymyr Zelensky, President of Ukraine, from the city of Kyiv during the Russian invasion (February 2022):

"I'm staying because this is my home, this is my country and these are my people. I will not run. I will stay even as the tanks of the Russian invaders come rumbling down my street."

In response to US request to evacuate his reported response was that he said he needed 'ammunition, not a ride':


Scott Morrison, Prime Minister of Australia - from the beach at Waikiki during the Australian bushfire tragedy (December 2019):

"I don't hold a hose, mate."

Pick the leader.

 

[Evolved1]

then there are those like the 25 yr old I saw who came to hospital asking if she should be concerned that when she walks her oxygen sats are 75% and heart rate goes up to 180.
or the 17 year old with multiple opacities in her lungs having to be monitored in ICU due to tachypnoea
I didn't see this happening with regular flu or colds in people this young before.

I'm confident they're in a very small minority. You'd only see the worst cases show up at hospital.

My teen son was weightlifting two days after he tested positive. A colleague of mine who tested positive spent his week off renovating his home. All other cases from people I personally know were typical of cold and flu symptoms.

 

[Crankyhawk]

I'm confident they're in a very small minority. You'd only see the worst cases show up at hospital.

My teen son was weightlifting two days after he tested positive. A colleague of mine who tested positive spent his week off renovating his home. All other cases from people I personally know were typical of cold and flu symptoms.

true, but I'd expect to see the worst cases of flu/ cold attend hospital as well. And swine flu apart I didn't; and even swine flu the age of the really sick was more 30-40 year olds. And the numbers of quite sick are much larger with omicron compared to swine flu.

 

[Pie eyed]

I'd be surprised if voters equate omicron to the plague. Most people seem to shrug it off like a cold.

I can confirm.
Had it after New years.
A sniffle.
The booster a fortnight after laid me up for two days. (10 x worse than the Omicron)

 

[Burro]

I'd be surprised if voters equate omicron to the plague. Most people seem to shrug it off like a cold.

Except for the ones that are dead.....

 

[Evolved1]

Except for the ones that are dead.....

While sad, people die from viral infection including covid variants that were around prior to omicron. The discussion is centered around whether omicron will be an election issue.

I don't think it will, especially in the eastern states. What's your read on the situation?

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Volodymyr Zelensky, President of Ukraine, from the city of Kyiv during the Russian invasion (February 2022):

"I'm staying because this is my home, this is my country and these are my people. I will not run. I will stay even as the tanks of the Russian invaders come rumbling down my street."

In response to US request to evacuate his reported response was that he said he needed 'ammunition, not a ride':


Scott Morrison, Prime Minister of Australia - from the beach at Waikiki during the Australian bushfire tragedy (December 2019):

"I don't hold a hose, mate."

Pick the leader.

CHAD Ukraine leader vs widdle pants shitting virgin scatty

 

[Evolved1]

Howard had runs on the board. He navigated the gun law reform so appeared to keep the average Aussie safe so you could see why people voted for him. Scumo has nothing to hang his hat, in fact the complete opposite. It won’t be his children overboard moment. If he’d shown some stability during the pandemic yes but he’s shown exactly the opposite.

Howard reformed gun laws and handed out middle-class welfare. Whether you like or loathe him, most would agree that's a platform for political success.

The Scummo government hasn't achieved anything of note. The PM should be embarrassed.

 

[Evolved1]

CHAD Ukraine leader vs widdle pants shitting virgin scatty

Unfortunately, I see nobody like that in Australian politics.

 

[Mick F]

I'm confident they're in a very small minority. You'd only see the worst cases show up at hospital.

My teen son was weightlifting two days after he tested positive. A colleague of mine who tested positive spent his week off renovating his home. All other cases from people I personally know were typical of cold and flu symptoms.

The positive PCR test is to the SARS-CoV coronavirus.

The virus would appear to not have developed into the Covid-19 disease in the case of your friends.

Most of the time, human coronaviruses merely cause mild respiratory illnesses like the common cold. A healthy person would not normally miss work or football training.

Positive asymptomatic cases, whilst they have no symptoms of having contracted the Covid-19 disease, need to be isolated because they are carrying the virus and can transmit it. The virus can lead to infection, disease and ill health in others.

 

[Evolved1]

People will start to pay attention, when they cant fuel their cars to go to work.
When the supply lines are again decimated, this time to fuel issues.

It's not so much that petrol price hikes are the issue, more that the price of everything else increases with them.

 

[Gough]

It's not so much that petrol price hikes are the issue, more that the price of everything else increases with them.

Which when you've got the former finance minister come Damascan convert on climate change being interviewed on tele in his former life saying low wage growth is government policy is problematic for them.

 

[Evolved1]

FFS how many times does this have to be explained.

The positive test is to the SARS-CoV coronavirus.

The virus would appear to not have developed into the Covid-19 disease in the case of your friends.

Most of the time, human coronaviruses merely cause mild respiratory illnesses like the common cold. A healthy person would not normally miss work or football training.

Positive asymptomatic cases, whilst they have no symptoms of having contracted the Covid-19 disease, need to be isolated because they are carrying the virus and can transmit it. The virus can lead to infection, disease and ill health in others.

You, and your FB mates, don’t know more than the medical professionals. The label ‘loud mouthed, know all’ is not a complimentary one.

 

[campbell]

So, LNP, where the bloody hell are you today?

SE QLD is flooded.

Silence.......

 

[Evolved1]

So, LNP, where the bloody hell are you today?

SE QLD is flooded.

Silence.......

You have an ALP state government.

 

[DaRick]

I'd be surprised if voters equate omicron to the plague. Most people seem to shrug it off like a cold.

I don't think they'll literally think of it in those terms, no, and I do think much of the anger over OMICRON would have gone by election time (unless BA.2 turns out to be worse than expected or another variant makes its presence known), but that doesn't mean they'll be thrilled about being exposed to a potentially lethal illness, and that's particularly true of retirees since they're disproportionally vulnerable to it.

That said, I expect COVID to be a lingering nuisance at the very least, so some resentment would still be there. Plus, it is the closest thing to the modern-day equivalent of the plague (highly infectious, potentially lethal, possible long-term effects).

Saw this on FB

Copied...An analogy of what's going on in the Ukraine and why

The Ukraine & Russia crisis In simple terms for those that have no idea what is going on.

-Ukraine used to be in an abusive relationship with Russia, feeding him, letting him use her car & giving him whatever he asked for until she built up the confidence to call it quits back in 1991

-Since then Ukraine has been working on herself, becoming a strong independent woman with help from friends like France, America, Poland etc. offering her support, loaning her money, & helping her find her way.

-Ukraine has been enjoying being single for 30 years & looking forward to continuing to grow & create new friendships.

-Now Russia being the toxic Ex that it is wants her back, and doesn’t want her meeting new people or creating any new relationships.

-A couple of weeks ago Russia started sitting in the front of Ukraine’s house & when her friends ask him what was he doing there, he said “Oh nothing, just getting a little bit of exercise in, that’s all.”

-After her friends told her that Russia was potentially getting ready to do something bad to her, he said “They’re lying, they just want you to be scared of me & that’s not what it is”

-Yesterday Russia broke into Ukraine’s house, beating her up & “taking advantage” of her while on Livestream & daring any of her friends to do something about it

Beyond some of the first paragraph, I regrettably disagree. Russia /= USSR, and the worst crimes against the Ukrainian SSR were perpetrated by a Georgian.

Ukraine is a much more tragic case than the scenario described above. It's more like the abused woman who falls into a series of abusive relationships and is surrounded by unhelpful friends. That's not the woman's fault as such, but it's also not good for her.

Similarly, Ukraine has been ruled by a series of seriously corrupt governments since independence, with unhelpful 'friends' surrounding them (the US helped install Yushchenko/Poroshenko; Russia propped up Yanukovych). That's not been good for Ukraine - the end result is rampant corruption, a perpetually dysfunctional economy, high levels of emigration, frozen conflicts and ethnic divides. So basically 1990s Russia. It's also one of the poorest countries in Europe, and that's despite having plenty of resources and previously being the USSR's scientific hub (it's the home of Antonov).

and can blame Putin for a large part of Azov as well, as it could be seen that Azov is a response to his invasion of Crimea/ Putin formenting Russian separatists in Ukraine.

1) There was a neo-Nazi element (Right Sector) in the 2014 revolution which predated Russia's seizure of Crimea. It was minor, and not particularly popular with the populace, but it was documented.

2) If we accept that Ukraine is a sovereign state, then we have to accept that the formal integration of the Azov Batallion into their military/security apparatus was their choice. I can accept that the choice was influenced by Putin, just as people's choices are invariably influenced by circumstances. That said, I will also note that even though their opponents (DPR/LPR) also had neo-Nazi elements, and Russia at large also has a neo-Nazi issue, they never formally integrated them into their military/security apparatus.

though to be accurate the fight is still going in the house, heard Russia squeal as Ukraine kicked him in the nuts

TBH, I think the war will pretty much be over within a fortnight. I'm surprised by the sophistication with which the Russians have executed this operation - in the past, they've used rather crude methods (artillery bombardments followed by frontal assaults) to win their battles. This is more of a US-style combined land, sea and air operation which has centred around securing vital cities - particularly Russophone ones like Odessa - and installations, effectively neutralising much of the Ukrainian military and snookering the Ukrainian government before they could really do anything.

Certain Ukrainian elements will resist - especially in Kharkiv apparently - but I find it unlikely that the Russian paratroopers won't secure Kiev's international airport, and once they've done that it won't be long until they reach Ukraine's Parliament House.

I think the Ukrainians were expecting a Georgia-style offensive wherein Russia would go in, secure the two independent republics, beat Ukraine around for a bit and then retreat, having made their point. I certainly was, and Putin has form for that sort of operation.

That said, with hindsight I think Putin realized this, and coldly calculated that conducting such an assault here would result in politically unacceptable casualties. Apparently he was surprised by how the Ukrainians fought in 2014, despite their morale previously not being very high and their equipment not being particularly well-maintained due to rampant corruption, and he would have assumed that they would have refurbished/upgraded their equipment and received better training in the meantime. The Ukrainians also would have been battle-hardened by their stoushes with the breakaway republics.

To this end, I have no doubt that this whole operation was planned years in advance after their experiences in Crimea and Syria (learning how to secure installations in hostile territory while executing surgical strikes with relatively minimal resources) as they learned how to combine their forces in a sophisticated operation, and that Putin was waiting for just the right 'provocation'. He has form for that, and defence treaties can certainly be interpreted very liberally.

Whether Zelensky hangs around or ultimately does a Ghani is really anybody's guess, but I'm guessing the latter.

Truth be told, the real inconvenience for Russia will not be so much fighting the Ukrainian military - it will be making Ukraine useful to Russia beyond its resources while quelling any insurgency, and that will require rebuilding the joint and upgrading infrastructure, much like they did in Chechnya and Crimea. 1990s Russia isn't terribly useful to 2022 Russia.

 

[DaRick]

You have an ALP state government.

Not much anyone can do in these circumstances, though I would expect ScoMo to offer some assistance after the fact if it was needed.

 

[Evolved1]

I don't think they'll literally think of it in those terms, no, and I do think much of the anger over OMICRON would have gone by election time (unless BA.2 turns out to be worse than expected or another variant makes its presence known), but that doesn't mean they'll be thrilled about being exposed to a potentially lethal illness, and that's particularly true of retirees since they're disproportionally vulnerable to it.

That said, I expect COVID to be a lingering nuisance at the very least, so some resentment would still be there. Plus, it is the closest thing to the modern-day equivalent of the plague (highly infectious, potentially lethal, possible long-term effects).

There's very little anger about omicron in Melbourne. Most of us are happy to live as normal without undue government restrictions. NSW is probably much the same.

As for the other states, I have nfi. It could be used as a wedge issue. I wouldn't be surprised to see McGowan milk it for all it's worth.

 

[DaRick]

There's very little anger about omicron in Melbourne. Most of us are happy to live as normal without undue government restrictions. NSW is probably much the same.

As for the other states, I have nfi. It could be used as a wedge issue. I wouldn't be surprised to see McGowan milk it for all it's worth.

From what I understand, ScoMo is widely disliked in VIC, although I accept that said dislike predates OMICRON.

Quite a few of the retirees in QLD were less than thrilled about it, although I expect much of that anger to dissipate come election time. In Brisbane, inflation + oil prices and their effect on working families (professionals and especially tradies) will likely be a bigger issue. Plus ScoMo has put off inner-city Brisbane by moving the party closer to ON and introducing a more overtly religious element.