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I actually like the guy & applaud what he's done at the kennel in recent years, he just seems a bit off kilter this seasonOpposition supporters are not alone in that regard. Some Dogs supporters agree, as do I
Its not a free kick against for doing this. Its a free kick if they don't dispose of the ball legally when attempting to do this because then its holding the ball.Problem is trying to adjudicate what 'trying to generate' high contact is. I agree with ducking the head and the arm raise being a free against because the player is causing the high contact after the tackle.
Deep down he knows that is Weightman’s only trick
Players dropping their body into contact probably annoys me the most. It started with players dropping their shoulder to ride the tackle high.Problem is trying to adjudicate what 'trying to generate' high contact is. I agree with ducking the head and the arm raise being a free against because the player is causing the high contact after the tackle. But strongly disagree with dropping the body. Players don't drop the body to win a high tackle, they do it to lower their centre of gravity to make it easier to pull themselves out of a contested situation by turning their opponent inside out. In that situation it is the opposition's responsibility to not get him high. It's almost like arguing that you can't jump at the ball because you are purposely generating contact with a spoilers fist. Copping a tackle to the head and free against because you are trying to weave yourself out of a contest is ridiculous.
Yeah but this new interpretation means if a player lowers his body to try and manouvre himself under and out of a players grasp but gets taken high, then it's holding the ball. That's ridiculous. If he does lower himself and gets tackled legally then yes holding the ball is fair because he clearly had time to get rid of it, but if he gets taken high then that's not his responsibility.Its not a free kick against for doing this. Its a free kick if they don't dispose of the ball legally when attempting to do this because then its holding the ball.
I disagree. It's a split second natural instinct to give yourself an oppertunity to potentially slip underneath a tackle and get out. A player is never going to just accept a tackle standing upright without attempting to manouvre himself in a way that gives him some sort of chance to get away. It's literally an attempt to break a tackle.Players dropping their body into contact probably annoys me the most. It started with players dropping their shoulder to ride the tackle high.
A number of players now are throwing their whole body into the contact to try and get a high tackle, they have no way of getting out of the tackle as they are going to ground in order to draw a high tackle.
Nothing to do with players weaving through traffic.
And I don’t think it should be a free against, just prior opportunity and not a free to them. It will encourage players to move the ball on and break the tackle rather than hope for the free and knowing even if they fail it’s only a ball up.
Weightman, ginniman and selwoodman drop to the floor though. That’s not evading anything. It’s literally stopping and hoping you get a free kick.I disagree. It's a split second natural instinct to give yourself an oppertunity to potentially slip underneath a tackle and get out. A player is never going to just accept a tackle standing upright without attempting to manouvre himself in a way that gives him some sort of chance to get away. It's literally an attempt to break a tackle
BS. Selwood will keep shrugging as a way of evading the tackle and if not most of the time it gets his arms free for the handball.Selwood and co won’t be sending Jack a Christmas card this year.
They were getting away with it until he came along and took it to levels that were just too much to ignore and too much of a blight on the game.
what about this bloke danster, reckon he might need a new trick?
The tackle has to stick with no disposal surely?Yep - ducking is prior opportunity - free against for HTB
Why is the high free kick there in the first place? To protect the head and brain injuries obviously.
The tackle has to stick with no disposal surely?
Well yeah that's impliedThe tackle has to stick with no disposal surely?
Anyone who actually plays footy will understand that the last thing that comes to your mind in a contest is attempting to win a freekick... It doesn't even cross the mind in the slightest. Except for maybe staging for a push in the back. A high tackle rather is given not taken.Weightman, ginniman and selwoodman drop to the floor though. That’s not evading anything. It’s literally stopping and hoping you get a free kick.
I want whatever you are smoking. This is just flat out wrong.Anyone who actually plays footy will understand that the last thing that comes to your mind in a contest is attempting to win a freekick... It doesn't even cross the mind in the slightest. Except for maybe staging for a push in the back. A high tackle rather is given not taken.
You clearly don't understand the mentality and mechanics of dropping yourself when a tackler comes at you. It's to reduce your centre of gravity to a smaller area. It concentrates your power and strength into your core, makes you smaller, and gives you a chance to slip under and out of a tackle. It's like a slingshot effect when you stop, drop then pull your direction opposite to the momentum of the incoming tackler. The players mindset in that moment is all about being able to win clean posession and kick a goal etc, not a freekick attempt. Selwood dips because 90% of the time it allows him to slip away, you only notice the 10% where he gets necked. It's not his problem, the tackler should be more disciplined and understand his opponent. If a player is good at evading your tackle to the point that your always collecting him high then that's your problem, predict and place your tackle better, you can't expect concessions because your opponent is athletically superior to you.
If you want to see your players walking into a tackle limp as a dick and making no attempt at evasive action then keep arguing your point.
Bullshit. Complete and utter bullshit.Anyone who actually plays footy will understand that the last thing that comes to your mind in a contest is attempting to win a freekick...
The action is a natural football action, it just so happens to win frees. They can drop and raise their arms, even do handstands and cartwheels as much as they want, it won't be a freekick against you if you tackle them below the shoulder simple as. If ginnivan is too quick for ya and he drops his legs before youre able to stick the tackle, then stiff s**t to you for being too slow and not predicting the move. AFL is played on a 360 degree axis, you can move however you wish, deal with it.Bullshit. Complete and utter bullshit.
There's literally footage of Givinniman showing others how to drop their legs and raise their arm in a tackle. Weightman spoke about it being a skill on the radio.
It's patently obvious they are trying to win frees. And they are doing it because until now, it has been successful. Hopefully it isn't any longer.
When "practitioners" like Ginnivan and Shuey are telling you that it's all about drawing a free kick, you really should stop arguing the opposite.Anyone who actually plays footy will understand that the last thing that comes to your mind in a contest is attempting to win a freekick... It doesn't even cross the mind in the slightest. Except for maybe staging for a push in the back. A high tackle rather is given not taken.
You clearly don't understand the mentality and mechanics of dropping yourself when a tackler comes at you. It's to reduce your centre of gravity to a smaller area. It concentrates your power and strength into your core, makes you smaller, and gives you a chance to slip under and out of a tackle. It's like a slingshot effect when you stop, drop then pull your direction opposite to the momentum of the incoming tackler. The players mindset in that moment is all about being able to win clean posession and kick a goal etc, not a freekick attempt. Selwood dips because 90% of the time it allows him to slip away, you only notice the 10% where he gets necked. It's not his problem, the tackler should be more disciplined and understand his opponent. If a player is good at evading your tackle to the point that your always collecting him high then that's your problem, predict and place your tackle better, you can't expect concessions because your opponent is athletically superior to you.
If you want to see your players walking into a tackle limp as a dick and making no attempt at evasive action then keep arguing your point.
How about just not letting them draw you in. Aim for his knees instead of his waist and you might get him around the waist instead of the head.When "practitioners" like Ginnivan and Shuey are telling you that it's all about drawing a free kick, you really should stop arguing the opposite.
Let's just ban tackles completely, turn it to touch footy. Because after all when a player has the ball and is moving, his movement might affect how accurately his defender can tackle him, we can't have the attacker go left when the defender though he was going to right. We don't want any movement from the player in possession to affect the defenders ability to tackle do we.... You should no longer be allowed to jump for a mark either because players are placing their heads purposely in the vicinity of spoilers fists in order to win freekicks for high contact. We can't have that, that's potentially fists to the head, and it's the person's who's trying to mark who is at fault, not the defender sticking his fist in therefore anyone who jumps for a mark will be penalised. That's how stupid you lot sound, arguing in favour of ruining a once grouse game.I want whatever you are smoking. This is just flat out wrong.