No, they take the liability for what goes on during his time with them because he's passed as medically fit. It had to be done is my point. Bad luck for us, but still the right call.
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So we took McCartin at Number 1 because Petracca "might" leave us for Hawthorn after a couple of seasons.
Then we delisted McCartin because he "might" sue us one day.
Seeing a lot of bad luck for us.
We passed on Trac because they were morons. The rest is bye the bye.
We delisted him because he took that many hits to the head that he could cop a concussion at the slightest of touches.
This revisionist bullshit is just that.
Not many football supporters wanted to see him take the field in the end. They were worried about the long term consequences.
He needed to step away from the game.
I hope like hell he doesn't cop another one. But it is a ticking timebomb.
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As someone that has warned against just such acts of list vandalism I find it funny that people thought that there was going to a different outcome.
We employed Pelchen who Brereton warned was trading on building the Hawks and Port list. Dermie said it was a lie or at least vastly exaggerated and the real person that did the bulk of the list build was Buckenara.
Dermie slams the 'Pelchen myth'
St Kilda official wouldn't get another job in footy, Dermott Brereton claims
"You've got a bloke who by all records says that he put together the Port Adelaide list, you've got a bloke who said he came to Hawthorn and gave them 'Buddy' Franklin, yet it was Gary Buckenara who did," Brereton said.
"There are a lot of myths in footy, and we're talking about one of them."
"Chris wants to make sure of his job at St Kilda because I guarantee you the word has gone around, he wont get another one elsewhere."
"Thank God for St Kilda, because 17 other clubs are going to win before them," Brereton said.
"They are the most poorly led from the top club.
We decided to bottom out as GC and GWS took most of the talent out of the first rounds for around 4 years.
Our head recruiter was a guy who'd been a line coach under Lyon who left for personal reasons but we employed as the most important person at any club, let alone one planning to bottom out rebuild.
Hindsight is more apt if you couldn't foresee it coming, we nearly planned for failure. Luckily with the equalisation policy of AFL we've never had to be responsible for any of the stupid things we do.
People are big fans of Finnis but he's overseen our worst period of on-field performance in the AFL era. His great legacy is fixing the * up of moving to Seaford.
In 2014, Finnis was charged by St Kilda's board with delivering the 'Road to 2018' roadmap, which directed the AFL team to finish top four by 2018 and win the club's second premiership. Having not met these objectives, Finnis, in 2019, unveiled a new "football strategy" to guide the club through 2022.
Matt Finnis - Wikipedia
gringo2011
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Not sure if you were posting here after Paddy's last concussion but I can't remember one single forum member saying that he should be kept on. Everyone thought his career was done. If you were in the extreme minority then please let us know.
Even when he played Swans reserves people were aghast that he was risking his future. He belted a bloke & everyone thought it must be due to the head knocks. Don't remember you posting that the club had made a massive blue then either.
He's proven everyone wrong.
As for Hanners, it's been shown ad nauseum but the only games he missed in his last season with Sydney were due to a knee injury. It was spoken about at the time that Longmire should have rested him but he didnt.
He did a nasty hammy with us that 1st preseason, then fkd his ankle when he was p1ssed & fell off a step... then, yada yada yada.
'Cooked' is just the hindsight experts trying to cash in. The bloke could play and was worth the risk. It hasn't hamstrung us (pardon the pun) one bit. Treloar is often thrown up ... we could have afforded him but wanted to keep the Ben King dollars in our pocket. And he is a 27 year old, on an $880k deal with 3 years left with dicier calves than Hanners. The pies paying part of his salary are done by the way. All the dogs from here on in.
Point is, sh1t happens and it usually happens to us.
He is still going to get hit in the head. He'd had that many bloody concussions that it was sheer negligence to allow him to take the field.
The story of Concussion and Paddy is far from over. And the sad thing is that once it is all over, we will be left saying why didn't the AFL do something sooner.
As someone that has warned against just such acts of list vandalism I find it funny that people thought that there was going to a different outcome.
We employed Pelchen who Brereton warned was trading on building the Hawks and Port list. Dermie said it was a lie or at least vastly exaggerated and the real person that did the bulk of the list build was Buckenara.
Dermie slams the 'Pelchen myth'
St Kilda official wouldn't get another job in footy, Dermott Brereton claimswww.afl.com.au
"You've got a bloke who by all records says that he put together the Port Adelaide list, you've got a bloke who said he came to Hawthorn and gave them 'Buddy' Franklin, yet it was Gary Buckenara who did," Brereton said.
"There are a lot of myths in footy, and we're talking about one of them."
"Chris wants to make sure of his job at St Kilda because I guarantee you the word has gone around, he wont get another one elsewhere."
"Thank God for St Kilda, because 17 other clubs are going to win before them," Brereton said.
"They are the most poorly led from the top club.
We decided to bottom out as GC and GWS took most of the talent out of the first rounds for around 4 years.
Our head recruiter was a guy who'd been a line coach under Lyon who left for personal reasons but we employed as the most important person at any club, let alone one planning to bottom out rebuild.
Hindsight is more apt if you couldn't foresee it coming, we nearly planned for failure. Luckily with the equalisation policy of AFL we've never had to be responsible for any of the stupid things we do.
People are big fans of Finnis but he's overseen our worst period of on-field performance in the AFL era. His great legacy is fixing the * up of moving to Seaford.
In 2014, Finnis was charged by St Kilda's board with delivering the 'Road to 2018' roadmap, which directed the AFL team to finish top four by 2018 and win the club's second premiership. Having not met these objectives, Finnis, in 2019, unveiled a new "football strategy" to guide the club through 2022.
Matt Finnis - Wikipedia
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Wasn't Derm's issue because his great mate Watters got the arse?
I'm sure someone will dig up the McCartin delisted thread & we can see who was against it because it will cost us a flag.
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Go over to Saintsational, there's one poster called Saynta who backed him all the way.
gringo2011
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You imagine the club had the best medical advise so you'd be crazy to argue that it wasn't the right decision. If it was a list management decision to open a spot up it was the wrong one obviously. I guess we won't find that out so hard to judge it.
gringo2011
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It was but he went for Pelchen and it's been proven to be 100% right. The club worked it out too late. I have heard someone agreeing with Brereton on it too. Sounds like he pimped up his resume to make himself sound like the head of NASA's rocket division but really worked there as the janitor.
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It would help us now. We kept hanners on our list for 4
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Tha guy was a fair dinkum imbecile, one of the reasons I had to leave that site was reading his dumb opinions every day was making me angry.
Dr Spaceman
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As someone that has warned against just such acts of list vandalism I find it funny that people thought that there was going to a different outcome.
We employed Pelchen who Brereton warned was trading on building the Hawks and Port list. Dermie said it was a lie or at least vastly exaggerated and the real person that did the bulk of the list build was Buckenara.
Dermie slams the 'Pelchen myth'
St Kilda official wouldn't get another job in footy, Dermott Brereton claims
"You've got a bloke who by all records says that he put together the Port Adelaide list, you've got a bloke who said he came to Hawthorn and gave them 'Buddy' Franklin, yet it was Gary Buckenara who did," Brereton said.
"There are a lot of myths in footy, and we're talking about one of them."
"Chris wants to make sure of his job at St Kilda because I guarantee you the word has gone around, he wont get another one elsewhere."
"Thank God for St Kilda, because 17 other clubs are going to win before them," Brereton said.
"They are the most poorly led from the top club.
We decided to bottom out as GC and GWS took most of the talent out of the first rounds for around 4 years.
Our head recruiter was a guy who'd been a line coach under Lyon who left for personal reasons but we employed as the most important person at any club, let alone one planning to bottom out rebuild.
Hindsight is more apt if you couldn't foresee it coming, we nearly planned for failure. Luckily with the equalisation policy of AFL we've never had to be responsible for any of the stupid things we do.
People are big fans of Finnis but he's overseen our worst period of on-field performance in the AFL era. His great legacy is fixing the * up of moving to Seaford.
In 2014, Finnis was charged by St Kilda's board with delivering the 'Road to 2018' roadmap, which directed the AFL team to finish top four by 2018 and win the club's second premiership. Having not met these objectives, Finnis, in 2019, unveiled a new "football strategy" to guide the club through 2022.
Matt Finnis - Wikipedia
Ahhh; it’s all starting to make sense now
#behindthemask
gringo2011
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If I start speaking about the Gringo in the first person you know you're onto something.
How are you Saynta - I thought you would never appear on BF.......
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And some are suggesting we give Hannebery another year next year lol crazy stuff
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That was last week when he looked okay. This week the footy gods knacker-slapped us back into reality land.
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There are no footy gods just dimwits running some footy clubs
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Yeah definitely some revisionist stuff going on here by anyone who thinks we should've kept McCartin on the list at the end.
There was some talk in the media about playing him behind the ball after an earlier knock, and perhaps that could've been tried. However it's very easy to forget just how many knocks this (poor) kid had received and just how dire things were looking. Shaun Smith received $1.4 million in Sept 2020 in a concussion case against the AFL. There were enormous rumblings worldwide, particular the US, about concussion injuries and potential liabilities. Paddy himself gave an interview after the last concussion where he said he could hardly get out of bed each day and would freak out just going to the shops.
If anyone really expects us to believe that they wanted us to keep a guy who had variously been described by fans as being not big enough, not fit enough, not fast enough and not agile enough on our list in this climate, just to try him in a position he had never previously played, well sorry I just don't believe you.
The Swans simply got lucky (and most likely wouldn't have even looked into trying out Paddy had his brother not been on their list). And it could still turn out horribly wrong for them down the track.
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If you call analyzing past decisions based on what actually happens post the decision, then yes revisionist stuff.
We re-contract him in 2018... with full knowledge of his history of injuries/concussions etc. He had already had 7 concussions when we re-contracted him.
Exclusive: St Kilda forward Paddy McCartin to sign new deal with club
Locked in: St Paddy poised to pen new deal
www.foxsports.com.au
He then plays his best season for us in 2018 with 13 games, most marks and most possessions etc etc.
Paddy then gets one more knock in the pre-season of 2019... then we delist him.
If what you are saying is true.... why did we re-contract him in 2018 then. We knew everything that you detail prior to that new contract being handed out.
